The Real Problem With Jimmie Johnson

So that's what you got from that post? That Chad is at some dead end job? I dont think you fully understand the term.

Chad has options within the organization itself if he wants to do so. What other form of crew chief is there? Is there another notch we are not aware of?

Chad has already reached the very top of where he can go. As crew chief he cant go any further.
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From my own post, key word been as.

I clearly said as a crew chief which is entirely true.

Oh and I dont know, use your imagination of what he can do other than being an over qualified crew chief for one of the best drivers in NASCAR. I dont have to spell it out for you....or maybe I do at this point.
 
reck said:
So that's what you got from that post? That Chad is at some dead end job? I dont think you fully understand the term.

Chad has options within the organization itself if he wants to do so. What other form of crew chief is there? Is there another notch we are not aware of?



From my own post, key word been as.

I clearly said as a crew chief which is entirely true.

Oh and I dont know, use your imagination of what he can do other than being an over qualified crew chief for one of the best drivers in NASCAR. I dont have to spell it out for you....or maybe I do at this point.
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No dude you really DO need to spell it out. Your trolling without any bait and it ain't workin for ya. there isn't anything wrong with Knaus being a crew chief. except with you apparently. he is making plenty money and has a very rewarding job, is on TV quite a lot with various Nascar shows..you jealous or something?
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Gordon outscored the field by 353 points over the whole year. It was a total steal manufactured by NASCAR's new chase system. Forget Knaus, JJ wouldn't have his 5 trophies without the chase format. Outscoring everyone in 10/36 races must be a dead giveaway of a champion.
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they didn't change the rules in the middle of the season, they all played by the same rules and Jimmie won
 
StandOnIt said:
No dude you really DO need to spell it out. Your trolling without any bait and it ain't workin for ya. there isn't anything wrong with Knaus being a crew chief. except with you apparently. he is making plenty money and has a very rewarding job, is on TV quite a lot with various Nascar shows..you jealous or something?
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I'm trolling because of?

Who said there is anything wrong with him being a crew chief? I even said there was nothing wrong with just been one. Look it up before you go accusing people of saying something they didn't.

I'm not going to start quoting myself here because if you cant read properly then there is no point.
 
Yeah I got it dude..Chad should start doing flip flops up on the pit box..that way he would be "aspiring to greater things"
 
reck said:
There are many reasons why he would leave Johnson and move on to do greater things.

Not even saying he has to leave Hendrick either. I am sure Rick has no intention of letting him walk.



And that's my point.

Chad has already reached the very top of where he can go. As crew chief he cant go any further.

There is no bragging rights on been the best crew chief in NASCAR. All the attention goes to the driver. That's a fact.
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I'd have to disagree with that, the top crew chiefs get a slice of the limelight. Fact is he can get into the Hall of Fame on his crew chief achievements already.

Also I think you might be underestimating the prestige and responsibility that goes with being in his position. He's a leader in that organization, a staple of excellence. Let me ask you this, is Bill Belicheck just a coach or GM? No he's a figure head, he's a leader, he has a ton of clout just like Knaus does. He's a face of that franchise just as much as Tom Brady is. So just like every dynasty, you have the players and the people who orchestrate the greatness, and I think you might be downplaying that role to a certain extent.
 
Two of DALEs cc have there championships and they don't have cc jobs.
 
3wideinturn1 said:
I'd have to disagree with that, the top crew chiefs get a slice of the limelight. Fact is he can get into the Hall of Fame on his crew chief achievements already.

Also I think you might be underestimating the prestige and responsibility that goes with being in his position. He's a leader in that organization, a staple of excellence. Let me ask you this, is Bill Belicheck just a coach or GM? No he's a figure head, he's a leader, he has a ton of clout just like Knaus does. He's a face of that franchise just as much as Tom Brady is. So just like every dynasty, you have the players and the people who orchestrate the greatness, and I think you might be downplaying that role to a certain extent.
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Oh totally.

I agree with you that he can easily be picked to be in the HoF one day without much resistence. He's already done plenty for that milestone and what's more, he deserves every bit of it.

Now I'm not saying that he should go take a job that's less stressful or less demanding because he has conquered and manhadled his current position. In fact, quite the oposite.

He should look forward to a more challenging job is all I'm saying. Whenever he sees fit.

I'm not downplaying Knaus role in Jimmie's success, in fact the other day I even said Chad was the main reason if not THE reason why Jimmie Johnson is where he is today.
 
Oh I get it..he should look forward for a job more challenging..what, crew chief for John Wes Townley? yeah, that would do it.
 
^ Are you this dense or just ignorant?
 
I wasnt a big Jimmie fan, but the more folks hate him, the more I like him.
At this point the best driver of this millennium.

Five time
Five time
Five time
Five time
Five time
 
reck said:
^ Are you this dense or just ignorant?
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still waiting for your idea of Chad's "more challenging job"you think he needs to look forward too....I just took a shot at it. excuse me for my ignorance..your turn Einstein.
 
More stupid posts. Why should Chad stop bring JJ's crew chief and do something else? Because you guys don't want Chad on JJ's pit box? Because you're tired of Chad and Jimmie kicking your favorite driver's ass each week?

I'm sure Chad is quite content winning championships.
 
StandOnIt said:
still waiting for your idea of Chad's "more challenging job"you think he needs to look forward too....I just took a shot at it. excuse me for my ignorance..your turn Einstein.
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Oh I dont know, within the Hendrick organization he could be manager of teams operations so and so on.

A higher title of sorts. I'm sure if he wanted Rick could promote him. Chad will always have a place within the Hendrick Organization. He doesn't nesesarily need to start his own team to elevate his status.

AndyMarquisLive said:
More stupid posts.
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Why is it stupid? Because you dont agree with it? That makes it hardly stupid.

Ain't nobody saying he should stop crew chiefing Jimmie because he wins alot. Stop reading tail end of posts and read more in depth next time.
 
reck said:
Oh I dont know, within the Hendrick organization he could be manager of teams operations so and so on.

A higher title of sorts. I'm sure if he wanted Rick could promote him. Chad will always have a place within the Hendrick Organization. He doesn't nesesarily need to start his own team to elevate his status.



Why is it stupid? Because you dont agree with it? That makes it hardly stupid.

Ain't nobody saying he should stop crew chiefing Jimmie because he wins alot. Stop reading tail end of posts and read more in depth next time.
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Why would Rick Hendrick move him off the pit box when he's winning championships? Jimmie and Chad are the most successful driver/crew chief combination ever in the history of the sport. Do you use your brain? Do you even have one?
 
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AndyMarquisLive said:
Why would Rick Hendrick move him off the pit box when he's winning championships? Jimmie and Chad are the most successful driver/crew chief combination ever in the history of the sport. Do you use your brain? Do you even have one?
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No I dont have a brain, this is just google bot responding.

Rick doesn't have nor will he move Chad unless Chad himself wants to do something else.

Where did you get that Rick would be looking to replace Chad unless Knaus himself says he wants to do something else?

You're a quick trigger to accuse people. No wonder you're always in arguements. Do you ever read and analyse what's been said?

Calling people stupid out of the blue because you dont agree with what was said? Back when I was around here you were an immature poster, and here we are 4 years later and you are still a numb nuts that doesn't even think before thrusting yourself into a conversation where you weren't even a part of.

But by all means, keep at it.
 
Matthew2470 said:
Was it robot Jimmie that got all buzzed and decided to ride on the roof of that golf cart a few years ago? Was it robot Jimmie who blasted his haters on Twitter and did not give a sh** what his haters thought? Maybe if was some semi-literate hillbilly who lost his composure on started threatening people he'd be more popular among the troglodytic masses. The bottom line is that losers don't like winners. Same as it ever was.
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Well, well I just have to say that no one from these parts suffers from the troglodyticism :). I talked with Cooter, Dingleberry, Hickey, Blacktooth, Gummy, JunBug, RoyLee, Bobbie Joe, Billy Joe, Bonnie Sue, Vonnie Sue, Dessie Lou, and a few other family members and we are all clean.

But about 20 gears ago one of them was a Gordon fan. so we burnt a cross in his yard and learnt him. It was for his own good, stuff like that has spared us from getting the troglodyticsias. If we had let that out of the closet, the next thing you know he'd a be wearing an ear ring and be being rejected by his own giggling sisters.

I like Johnson, I just dont tell nobody around here.
 
I don't like Knaus but maybe being a championship Crew chief is still a challenge to him. Maybe he has no interest in owning his own race team or organization like some others.

Eventually, I see him working in TV once Jimmie retires.
 
Greg said:
I wasnt a big Jimmie fan, but the more folks hate him, the more I like him.
At this point the best driver of this millennium.

Five time
Five time
Five time
Five time
Five time
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Same for me. I don't like Gordon or Johnson or Hendrick, but this incessant bitching about #48 drives me to defend him, and in turn, makes me like him a little bit more each time.
 
Mr. Gregory said:
I've always seen Jimmie as the Matt Kenseth of Hendrick/Chevrolet.

I like his cool, calm, "robotic" demeanor. He just goes out there, does his thing and, for the most part, stays out of trouble. Everybody can't be Mr. Personality like Bowyer, Stewie, Kyle, Kez, and Harv - we need the Johnsons and the Kenseths to balance them out. I like Knaus and I respect the five championships that he and Jimmie have won together. I don't care if their team frequently gets caught cheating. They all cheat at times.

For me the problem is the simple fact that I have a hard time cheering for the guy that wins all the time. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Simple as that.
 
KevinWI said:
Same for me. I don't like Gordon or Johnson or Hendrick, but this incessant bitching about #48 drives me to defend him, and in turn, makes me like him a little bit more each time.
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That is what happens when logic takes over.
 
A little late to the discussion but I couldn't agree more with reck about Knaus maybe getting to the point where he's looking for a new challenge in life.

And don't for a minute think it's all about the money. When it comes to what's important in life, money ain't sh*t.

Working with Hendrick and the 48 team, Knaus has basically conquered the NASCAR crew chief thing and just might entertain the idea of moving on to something else.

Maybe even a move to be the crew chief at a newer, just developing team.

Kinda like when Vince Lombardi left the champion Packers and went over to coach the then dead-beat Redskins.

Stranger things have happened.
 
Most wins in the chase era.

1. JJ (58)
2. Stewart (31)
3. Kyle (26)
4. Gordon (23)
5. Hamlin (22)
6. Kenseth (21)
7. Carl (20)

JJ is so damn good, lots of fans want to hate him, but he doesn't give them solid reasons like Kyle, Kurt, Carl, Kez, Tony........etc do.
I never enjoyed total dominance and tend to pull for an underdog. Since it's been 10 years since his only championship, I'll probably root for Matt if he's in it at the end.
 
I just love this Knaus needs to do something else B.S. why don't ya man up and say you can't stand the guy winning? Have ya thought for just a minute about who has the most championships at 7?...and he has 5? Put on your big boy pants will ya. Because like it or not, they have to beat the 48, just like way back when, they had to beat the 43, or later on you had to beat the 3.
 
FenderBumper said:
Most wins in the chase era.

1. JJ (58)
2. Stewart (31)
3. Kyle (26)
4. Gordon (23)
5. Hamlin (22)
6. Kenseth (21)
7. Carl (20)

JJ is so damn good, lots of fans want to hate him, but he doesn't give them solid reasons like Kyle, Kurt, Carl, Kez, Tony........etc do.
I never enjoyed total dominance and tend to pull for an underdog. Since it's been 10 years since his only championship, I'll probably root for Matt if he's in it at the end.
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Jimmie (five time) Johnson also has 22 chase wins, numbers that compare very well to group above considering all of the chase era races.
The next two are Stewart & Edwards with eight apiece.
The remaining group only matches a chase win for every title that Jimmy FIVE TIME Johnson gets.
FIVE TIME x5.

If he whupped them any worse I would have to Algebra up some exponents to explain it all....

http://www.driveraverages.com/nascar_stats/chase.php
 
reck said:
Chad has already reached the very top of where he can go. As crew chief he cant go any further.

There is no bragging rights on been the best crew chief in NASCAR. All the attention goes to the driver. That's a fact.
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Of course, Chad could claim the entirety of the success of the 48 team that the JJ detractors so eagerly award him every time Jimmie wins :D

You probably wont see chad CC'ing for another NASCAR driver. He has stated multiple times that his intentions are to stay with Jimmie until he retires, which could come as early as 2015 when his contract expires.

As for JJ being a "robot," the OP obviously hasn't bothered to check out the 48 scanner during a race or read through JJ's twitter feed after some "controversy." Perhaps he also forgot his feud with Kurt Busch a few years back. Just because he doesn't bitch and moan about every little incident that happens doesn't mean he's a "robot."
 
DSquad48 said:
You probably wont see chad CC for another driver. He has stated multiple times that his intentions are to stay with Jimmie until he retires, which could come as early as 2015 when his contract expires.
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I will bet you a wooden nickle that if Hendrick doesn't give Chad a managerial position like competition director or something at HMS, when 2016 comes, JGR or Roush will offer Chad megabucks to come work for them. If Toyota doesn't have a championship by then, they will drop dump trucks full of money at his house to get him to go to JGR or MWR.
 
KevinWI said:
I will bet you a wooden nickle that if Hendrick doesn't give Chad a managerial position like competition director or something at HMS, when 2016 comes, JGR or Roush will offer Chad megabucks to come work for them. If Toyota doesn't have a championship by then, they will drop dump trucks full of money at his house to get him to go to JGR or MWR.
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That'd definitely be an interesting scenario! I do recall Chad saying in an interview once that once he stops CC'ing he'd love to remain with his organization in some managerial/office position. I highly doubt Hendrick would let him walk so easily.
 
DSquad48 said:
That'd definitely be an interesting scenario! I do recall Chad saying in an interview once that once he stops CC'ing he'd love to remain with his organization in some managerial/office position. I highly doubt Hendrick would let him walk so easily.
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Hendrick probably will lock him up. I mean, he signed Gordon to a "lifetime" contract.
 
KevinWI said:
Hendrick probably will lock him up. I mean, he signed Gordon to a "lifetime" contract.
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Well it would certainly ensure the success of the organization for a long while if he could do the same with Knaus!
 
KevinWI said:
I will bet you a wooden nickle that if Hendrick doesn't give Chad a managerial position like competition director or something at HMS, when 2016 comes, JGR or Roush will offer Chad megabucks to come work for them. If Toyota doesn't have a championship by then, they will drop dump trucks full of money at his house to get him to go to JGR or MWR.
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When he signed this latest contract with HMS, Chad seemed dead serious when he said he can't see himself CC'ing after 2015. I honestly believe this is why JJ over drove at Texas and Phoenix and threw away number 6, just like Carl did back in '09 and Denny in 2010. JJ is dying to be the first to win 8, and he knows that probably wont happen without Chad. I also believe Chad would like the world to see Jimmie Johnson in his prime race without him just to solidify his claim to being the best CC ever, because JJ's numbers will surely dive without Chad. EVERY great driver has had a great CC, and that's a fact. What you might see is Paul Wolfe being courted when Chad steps down if Kez and Penske racing don't get their sheet together.
 
FenderBumper said:
When he signed this latest contract with HMS, Chad seemed dead serious when he said he can't see himself CC'ing after 2015. I honestly believe this is why JJ over drove at Texas and Phoenix and threw away number 6, just like Carl did back in '09 and Denny in 2010. JJ is dying to be the first to win 8, and he knows that probably wont happen without Chad. I also believe Chad would like the world to see Jimmie Johnson in his prime race without him just to solidify his claim to being the best CC ever, because JJ's numbers will surely dive without Chad. EVERY great driver has had a great CC, and that's a fact. What you might see is Paul Wolfe being courted when Chad steps down if Kez and Penske racing don't get their sheet together.
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Yeah, it gets tiring working basically non-stop for 10+ years. The man is racing passion personified. But after so long, you just get tired. There's no way he can sustain the amount of effort he puts into the team forever, especially with him getting older, plus he's engaged now and probably would like to start a family. That's not very easy to do when you're a workaholic who's in a different state nearly every week for practically 3/4 of the year.
 
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