The Sky Is Falling

Everything you've posted has a ring of truth to it.

Don't most public / private corporations and major sports enterprises spend some time doing future planning? I would guess that NASCAR's executives are aware of forthcoming paradigm shifts and pondering their future effects. If they are, the fact that they're not sharing those thoughts with the public doesn't surprise me. Naturally, I could be wrong.
NASCAR doesn't have a history of planning ahead for anything since Bill France Sr. died.. If you look at the history of the sport is has been reactionary.
 
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Another forum and another thread ruined by a Disciple of the Religion of Climate Change.

As if electric cars, wind and solar energy, and riding your bicycle will save the world...

And while we're at it, let's ban beef in the name of the Mighty Gaia.
 
<sigh>

Another forum and another thread ruined by a Disciple of the Religion of Climate Change.

As if electric cars, wind and solar energy, and riding your bicycle will save the world...

And while we're at it, let's ban beef in the name of the Mighty Gaia.
thanks, I'll file that right next to the "where are the Nascar children" folder.
 
<sigh>

Another forum and another thread ruined by a Disciple of the Religion of Climate Change.

As if electric cars, wind and solar energy, and riding your bicycle will save the world...

And while we're at it, let's ban beef in the name of the Mighty Gaia.
Spoken like someone who enjoys stereotyping people and then bases what they believe they know about others on them. Your assumptions of me are incorrect. I'd say that I apologize for ruining your safe zone, but it wouldn't be true, and I'd hate to hurt a snowflake's feelings more than it appears I already have...LMAO:D
 
Scooters are massively popular outside the US.
Just took my 125 out for a spin. Need to keep the battery charged.....but I don't need an excuse...I just love zipping around on it.
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One reason I wouldn't buy a new electric car right now....they depreciate horribly. For example, the Nissan Leaf sells for about $35K new, Autotrader is full of low mileage two year old models selling for around $10K. I know there are lots of tax breaks that come with buying a new one, but I don't think they're anywhere close to offsetting that depreciation.
All Nissan's depreciate way to fast when compared to Toyota.
 
I'm not surprised.

Writing a book can really take it out of you.
Yep. And somebody needs to learn that the books are lecture's not chatting, debating or even having a discussion. And most are copied and pasted. My My.
 
Yep. And somebody needs to learn that the books are lecture's not chatting, debating or even having a discussion. And most are copied and pasted. My My.

That sounds like a Dave Moody type of reaction to someone calling up and offering suggestions on how to change the sport for the better. It isn't about welcoming the new view its about attacking it, not listening, and then rolling with "well, we've done it that way since the sport began". Except NASCAR hasn't and people forget that. As I wrote to someone in a PM NASCAR is stuck in 2001. We are 16+ years beyond that time and place in history. Ya'll gotta change because the fans are aging and companies don't want the demographic that NASCAR fans have become for the most part.
 
That sounds like a Dave Moody type of reaction to someone calling up and offering suggestions on how to change the sport for the better...
One good thing Dave Moody does is to recognize when a caller is filibustering, and call them out on that. Just sayin'.

BTW, you should check out the World Endurance Championship. The LMP1 class features the most advanced hybrids on the planet. F1 is all in on hybrids too, at least for the moment, but F1 will be getting out of that game just as soon as they can.
 
Always enjoy reading the comments of the intelligentsia.
 
There are a number of posters--more than 3 or 4--in this thread that need to put their snarky remarks back in their pockets.
This nit-picking and "mine is bigger than yours" is getting on my nerves.

Discuss and argue, fine. Trying to shoot holes in each other is not.
Please relax.
New ideas sometimes jangle the nerves and upset the stomach. We've all
endured the seemingly endless and sudden changes NASCAR has dumped on us. But we will
survive. In 15-20 years, the sport will, more than likely, look a lot different than today's. Change is
inevitable.

I may not like it, sure don't understand some of it, but cars going fast is still the basis --- so
I go with it. Sure haven't found anything else that holds my attention.
 
I guess I don't understand Tow's argument...I mean, let's say, hypothetically, that in 20 years, 80% of Americans are driving E Cars....fully E cars. How hard will it be for NASCAR to switch to that?? Answer, it won't be...NASCAR didn't invent the car...they didn't invent the Chevy, Ford, Pontiac, Dodge, ect....they used it.
 
There are a number of posters--more than 3 or 4--in this thread that need to put their snarky remarks back in their pockets.
This nit-picking and "mine is bigger than yours" is getting on my nerves.

Discuss and argue, fine. Trying to shoot holes in each other is not.
Please relax.
New ideas sometimes jangle the nerves and upset the stomach. We've all
endured the seemingly endless and sudden changes NASCAR has dumped on us. But we will
survive. In 15-20 years, the sport will, more than likely, look a lot different than today's. Change is
inevitable.

I may not like it, sure don't understand some of it, but cars going fast is still the basis --- so
I go with it. Sure haven't found anything else that holds my attention.

If Nascar ran the Coca Cola Company the product would taste like Orange Crush by now so if a person is in anyway resistant to change it is the wrong thing to follow. The perpetual changes used to drive me crazy until I changed my mindset about the series so now I know that something is always around the corner and it may or may not make sense to me. JMO but I think Nascar could have retained some fans if the changes hadn't happened at such a furious pace.
 
I guess I don't understand Tow's argument...I mean, let's say, hypothetically, that in 20 years, 80% of Americans are driving E Cars....fully E cars. How hard will it be for NASCAR to switch to that?? Answer, it won't be...NASCAR didn't invent the car...they didn't invent the Chevy, Ford, Pontiac, Dodge, ect....they used it.

I don't know if this is true with Nascar but most organizations have short-intermediate-long term goals. I would file E cars under a long term thing to look at as gasoline and diesel cars may be self driven before the time they are in regular use. IMO Nascar has enough burning tire fires right now to keep them occupied.
 
Thanks for you sharing your opinion, my opinion is that pretty much all of the Japanese cars look way better than American cars, but I will agree, the Prius is about as butt ugly as they come.

I agree. Not a Prius fan.
 
I don't know if this is true with Nascar but most organizations have short-intermediate-long term goals. I would file E cars under a long term thing to look at as gasoline and diesel cars may be self driven before the time they are in regular use. IMO Nascar has enough burning tire fires right now to keep them occupied.

That's the point I have been trying to make and everyone has gotten disturbed and run to the hills on the E racing. My post just lays out a long term approach to a possible outcome of the auto industry and how society is changing. Could I be wrong? Sure. If I am, then having a plan on the books to implement what I chatting about isn't a bad thing. If I'm right, then having the plan isn't a bad thing either. That's what long term planning and forecasting is all about.

The things have shared about Millennials and Gen Z are factual. They came out of the US Government/Military study on how to manage personnel from those demo

I guess I don't understand Tow's argument...I mean, let's say, hypothetically, that in 20 years, 80% of Americans are driving E Cars....fully E cars. How hard will it be for NASCAR to switch to that?? Answer, it won't be...NASCAR didn't invent the car...they didn't invent the Chevy, Ford, Pontiac, Dodge, ect....they used it.

Because you have to educate your fan base along the way and funnel them towards the changes that you see in the future. If you don't they rebel and leave. Examples, Fans disliked the car of tomorrow and the changes in racing it brought. Fans disliked the continuous changes that the points system has gone through. Fans dislike stage racing when it was announced. Want me to go on? If NASCAR did a better job of educating the fan on why changes take place, and where they see the sport moving then maybe there would be less blowback. By educating the fan, NASCAR would in effect be moving fans with them before the change occurred and would get their fans to co-opt/embrace the change before it even happened.
 
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So did you get those automotive beer goggles at O' Reilly or Auto Zone? ;)
Never touch the stuff; never found one I liked the taste of and gave up a long time ago.

I can see some difference in the tail light shape, but I'm quite serious when I say it looks like any other late-model 4-door. I'm completely neutral to its appearance, and it certainly wouldn't keep me from considering it.

I'll ask again, what don't you like about it? If you can't put your finger on it, that's fine; just say so. Maybe the selected photo doesn't adequately portray the vehicle.
 
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<sigh>

Another forum and another thread ruined by a Disciple of the Religion of Climate Change.

As if electric cars, wind and solar energy, and riding your bicycle will save the world...

And while we're at it, let's ban beef in the name of the Mighty Gaia.
I don't recall 'Mater mentioning climate change other than in connection with changing European laws. Any serious consideration of electric cars has to acknowledge that the power to recharge them has to come from somewhere, be it fossil fuels or alternatives.

Gaia has no objection to your eating meat; she made plenty of other carnivores too.
 
I don't like its spaceship looks.
That's not a spaceship.
THAT'S a spaceship. :D
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Technically a starship. More to your point, I hear ya but I don't see anything spaceshippy about it. Other than the headlight shape, the front end looks pretty similar to a Camry to my untrained eye.

Just me, I guess. Here, have a cider. :cheers:
 
That's the point I have been trying to make and everyone has gotten disturbed and run to the hills on the E racing. My post just lays out a long term approach to a possible outcome of the auto industry and how society is changing. Could I be wrong? Sure. If I am, then having a plan on the books to implement what I chatting about isn't a bad thing. If I'm right, then having the plan isn't a bad thing either. That's what long term planning and forecasting is all about.

The things have shared about Millennials and Gen Z are factual. They came out of the US Government/Military study on how to manage personnel from those demo



Because you have to educate your fan base along the way and funnel them towards the changes that you see in the future. If you don't they rebel and leave. Examples, Fans disliked the car of tomorrow and the changes in racing it brought. Fans disliked the continuous changes that the points system has gone through. Fans dislike stage racing when it was announced. Want me to go on? If NASCAR did a better job of educating the fan on why changes take place, and where they see the sport moving then maybe there would be less blowback. By educating the fan, NASCAR would in effect be moving fans with them before the change occurred and would get their fans to co-opt/embrace the change before it even happened.

One thing to always keep in mind is when you think creatively there will always be a contingent that is at the ready to be snarky or essentially tell you how dumb you are for reasons I am not sure of.
 
Never touch the stuff; never found one I liked the taste of and gave up a long time ago.

I can see some difference in the tail light shape, but I'm quite serious when I say it looks like any other late-model 4-door. I'm completely neutral to its appearance, and it certainly wouldn't keep me from considering it.

I'll ask again, what don't you like about it? If you can't put your finger on it, that's fine; just say so. Maybe the selected photo doesn't adequately portray the vehicle.

For me it is the goofy taillights as the ones on the new Corvettes look bad enough and the ones on the Prius look like the Vettes on steroids.
 
For me it is the goofy taillights as the ones on the new Corvettes look bad enough and the ones on the Prius look like the Vettes on steroids.
Yeah, but all taillights look goofy these days. The designers apparently have gone gaga over the materials now used to make the translucent covers and haven't seen an AutoCAD utility they didn't like. It's the same disease that afflicts most PowerPoint users.
 
Yeah, but all taillights look goofy these days. The designers apparently have gone gaga over the materials now used to make the translucent covers and haven't seen an AutoCAD utility they didn't like. It's the same disease that afflicts most PowerPoint users.

You got that right, having grown up on a drafting board and then teaching CAD, big difference designing with a french curve in your hand and trying to draw a multi centered arc on a CAD machine. You could tell immediately when they went to CAD. Warplanes too. ugh.. the world got uglier IMO.
 
Now that I think about it, I can indeed identify automotive ugliness; I just can't remember who makes it. There's a recent run of American cars, all hard angles and creases. They look like the designer took his inspiration from an M-1 Abrams tank. Danged if I can remember who makes 'em. I was going to accuse Caddy but I can't find any images that match my memory.
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I called myself reading most of this discussion and I don't see where anyone has posted what they think of the Formula E cars. I saw them, on Memorial Day I believe, and could not believe they existed. Go to youtube and search RC car tests and/or races and you will hear exactly what these cars sound like on the track. Just like a Radio Shack RC car. Very strange to see a full-size car racing with virtually no sound whatsoever. I attended my first NASCAR race in 1967 and have followed the sport every year since and I still enjoy it. However, the day e cars become the norm, if ever, will be my last as a fan. Will walk away cold turkey.
 
I called myself reading most of this discussion and I don't see where anyone has posted what they think of the Formula E cars. I saw them, on Memorial Day I believe, and could not believe they existed. Go to youtube and search RC car tests and/or races and you will hear exactly what these cars sound like on the track. Just like a Radio Shack RC car. Very strange to see a full-size car racing with virtually no sound whatsoever. I attended my first NASCAR race in 1967 and have followed the sport every year since and I still enjoy it. However, the day e cars become the norm, if ever, will be my last as a fan. Will walk away cold turkey.
'Mater started several pages of back-and-forth regarding E-cars back on post #42.

Me, I'm always surprised when someone's opinion of a form of racing is based solely on the vehicle sound. I guess everyone is waiting for the Saturn 5 Series.
 
'Mater started several pages of back-and-forth regarding E-cars back on post #42.

Me, I'm always surprised when someone's opinion of a form of racing is based solely on the vehicle sound. I guess everyone is waiting for the Saturn 5 Series.
I would have loved to have seen and heard a Saturn V launch in person and am eagerly waiting for NASA's SLS (Space Launch System) to get up and running. Then a return trip to KSC (and Daytona) in FL.

For me: the louder, the better.
 
One thing I had to think about when I decided to buy a Frontier instead of a Tacoma. However, my Frontier was about $7K less than a comparably equipped Tacoma, so I guess it all comes out in the wash.

I just bought a used taco for more than I wanted to spend but hey, I can sell it for what I "paid" for it.
 
I subscribe to a few sports business journals and articles. Found these 2 pics interesting. I attended a learning seminar with people from Nascsr and ISC. They acknowledged that the old fans are moving on or dying and they are taking steps to bring in younger fans. If that works they won't know til 2019 or 2020.

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Hey, did ya hear that they are a couple of companies are looking into developing the software to have self driving trucks? The world turns and it changes.



The sport is niche based. Proof, The two most recognized drivers have roughly the same number of twitter followers. Jimmy Johnson has 2.52 million and Dale Jr. has 2.21 million twitter followers. Lets look at some other sports figures: LeBrown James has 37.3 million, Steph Curry has 9.9 million. Tim Tebow has 3.9 million, Ronda Rousey has 3.43 million, Tiger Woods has 6.25 million, and Colin Kaepernick who doesn't have a job has 1.15 million. If you put those guys on a street in NYC, San Francisco, or LA which of them gets recognized and which walks away without being recognized? That's an issue for NASCAR. Dale is about to retire and Jimmie isn't gonna hang around too much longer either. The next generation of NASCAR drivers stack up this way for twitter followers: Austin Dillion 264K followers, Kyle Larsen 299K followers, Joey Lagano 437K followers, and Brad Keselowski 747K followers. That important because the most important influencer of travel/new experiences, is a Millennials’ social network(s). While more than half of young travelers only post on their accounts a few times a week during a vacation, they cite social media as the biggest factor influencing their travel choices. What platforms hold the most weight in their decision making? The majority of Millennials use Facebook, Pinterest, and/or Twitter as travel inspiration. In other words, if their friends aren't at the track to provide a post/twit/like then they ain't interested in going themselves.



I think it is the appropriate venue 10 to 20 years from now. The generation that is 20 will be 40 by the end of that time period. NASCAR will have aged out of its current fan base by then.

To replace them with the Millennials and Gen Z after them NASCAR is going to have to get proactive. Example, is the fall in people going to the track and having some announcer say over and over again (like Rick Allen did this past weekend) that they are headed into turn 1 at 210 mph doesn't convey anything to someone watching it on TV who has never seen a vehicle move at that pace. The vehicles on TV look like the cars headed down your local roads. How are we going to get the next group of fans to join our niche based fun? (See the above answer about twitter followers and their social network and why all of a sudden that is important).

Research shows that Millennials are considered digital natives and Gen Z is the first generation to be born and raised in a truly digital age. Where Millennials multitask between two screens, i.e., a laptop and a mobile phone, Gen Z can juggle up to five screens, i.e., laptop, phone, TV, desktop, and gaming device. You have to offer a product they are interested in or they move on to something else quickly. How quick? Gen Z the data is 8 seconds vs. 12 seconds for Millennials. How's that 6 hour rain delay race gonna get them interested? They have no interest sitting in stands with minimal wifi for hours on end and do nothing. They want to be entertained. NASCAR needs to partner with products they care about, and tie themselves into issues they care about. NASCAR needs to sell towards affluent Millennials to survive. NASCAR needs to recognize that experiences win out over just product driven campaigns. That begins with understanding the need for co-creation, co-participation and experience innovation. NASCAR and the tracks are starting to get on board with this idea. They are about 5 years behind the NFL, NBA, and MLB in what they are doing to their properties. They are a decade behind the music promoters. Being the rebel sport of moonshiners might have worked in the past but it ain't gonna be a key selling point in the future.

The environment and how human's impact it is important to the Millennials and Gen Z'ers. Thus, this has been a very long answer to why tie electric cars into NASCAR and I hope it makes sense. I'm a bit tired.


Are you a marketer? This is one of the best replies I've seen. I was talking to a professor who used to work for the NBA. They are having similar problems. 48% of fans don't have a favorite team. Golden state has been playing around with VR. Fans at home can watch the game from court side and fans in the stands can watch it from the referee point of view. Of course it will cost money.
 
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