The Sky Is Falling

ToyYoda said:
Did you happen to see the episode of Jay Leno's Garage where they were trying to drift with Nissan Leafs (or Leaves)? It was pretty hilarious.
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on Jay Leno's YouTube channel he tests a Tesla, owns one actually. It has it's good and bad points and he points them out.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Maybe they're buying for the long haul. I plan on driving any vehicle I buy until it dies; reliability matters far more to me than depreciation. If it isn't still running effectively after 10 years, I bought a piece of junk.
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I think if I was going to get one though, I'd go for one of the gently used versions at 30% of the cost.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Why can't it? It happens regularly. Look at tennis in the '70s and '80s. That's a sport people can actively participate in with relatively cheap equipment costs compared to racing. Courts were being build everywhere; players needed reservations to get on one. Yet its popularity declined.

It's still a strong sport in its own right, just not as popular as it was at its height. That's the pattern I expect NASCAR to follow. I'm with Kenny; it was nice while it lasted, but move on.
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I don't recall the boom and bust in tennis being nearly as pronounced as that of Nascar. Sure there was the whole Jimmy Connors/Bobby Riggs/Billie Jean King thing going on but tennis is still strongly supported worldwide.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Pro wrestling was all the rage in the mid- and late '80s; wraslers were everywhere. It's still out there, profitable, but you won't find it on one of the big four networks in prime time every week.
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Same with Nascar.....:D
 
ToyYoda said:
I think if I was going to get one though, I'd go for one of the gently used versions at 30% of the cost.
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Oh, hell yeah. If they're actually available for 10K, I could stand running back and forth to work in one. 17 miles each way, minimal hills, 55mph dual lane, no interstate. I could go a week between recharges, for less than what I'm feeding the '05 Ranger I inherited. My primary question would be where I could get it serviced in central SC.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Oh, hell yeah. If they're actually available for 10K, I could stand running back and forth to work in one. 17 miles each way, minimal hills, 55mph dual lane, no interstate. I could go a week between recharges, for less than what I'm feeding the '05 Ranger I inherited. My primary question would be where I could get it serviced in central SC.
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Prius would be a good choice, they charge themselves, full battery replacement if you need one isn't expensive, batteries have gone down a bunch
 
Prius FWIW is the only car you can set the temperature on 72 shut it off and go to sleep that it will turn on and charge the batteries and keep it at 72 cold or hot
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I care even less about external appearance than depreciation. I'm inside the vehicle looking out far more than I'm outside looking in. What the exterior looks like is everyone else's problem. :D:D:D
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Well, just in case you were wondering, this is everybody else's problem. :p
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StandOnIt said:
It takes something bizarre like that to stand out from the crowd, Personally they are all so much alike now days with the exception of a few models I can't tell them apart.
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Neither can I. And most of the badges on the front with the exception of the Ford blue oval, the Chevy bowtie, the Cadillac, and the Buick are gibberish to me.
 
ToyYoda said:
Well, just in case you were wondering, this is everybody else's problem. :p
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Sorry, but it just looks like another four-door sedan to me. I don't know what features you see as unattractive. I don't understand the little shark fin on the roof, and question the aerodynamic value of that psuedo-spoiler, but I've seen those on more new cars than not.

All sedans have looked the same to me since the Taurus. :idunno:
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Sorry, but it just looks like another four-door sedan to me. I don't know what features you see as unattractive. I don't understand the little shark fin on the roof, and question the aerodynamic value of that psuedo-spoiler, but I've seen those on more new cars than not.

All sedans have looked the same to me since the Taurus. :idunno:
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So did you get those automotive beer goggles at O' Reilly or Auto Zone? ;)
 
StandOnIt said:
Everything you look at in your house, your work has been delivered on a truck. Think about that in your future plans.
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Hey, did ya hear that they are a couple of companies are looking into developing the software to have self driving trucks? The world turns and it changes.

Charlie Spencer said:
Re: Subaru - you can be a healthy, profitable well run company if you can find a niche to target, but it's still a niche. You don't see motor sports manufacturers building full-time AWD for the race track, and by your own numbers that a relatively larger market share than electrics. That technology does show up in other forms of racing, but those forms are as niche as Subaru. But then, based on sales numbers, the Truck series should be more popular than the sedan-based Cup series. Go figure.
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The sport is niche based. Proof, The two most recognized drivers have roughly the same number of twitter followers. Jimmy Johnson has 2.52 million and Dale Jr. has 2.21 million twitter followers. Lets look at some other sports figures: LeBrown James has 37.3 million, Steph Curry has 9.9 million. Tim Tebow has 3.9 million, Ronda Rousey has 3.43 million, Tiger Woods has 6.25 million, and Colin Kaepernick who doesn't have a job has 1.15 million. If you put those guys on a street in NYC, San Francisco, or LA which of them gets recognized and which walks away without being recognized? That's an issue for NASCAR. Dale is about to retire and Jimmie isn't gonna hang around too much longer either. The next generation of NASCAR drivers stack up this way for twitter followers: Austin Dillion 264K followers, Kyle Larsen 299K followers, Joey Lagano 437K followers, and Brad Keselowski 747K followers. That important because the most important influencer of travel/new experiences, is a Millennials’ social network(s). While more than half of young travelers only post on their accounts a few times a week during a vacation, they cite social media as the biggest factor influencing their travel choices. What platforms hold the most weight in their decision making? The majority of Millennials use Facebook, Pinterest, and/or Twitter as travel inspiration. In other words, if their friends aren't at the track to provide a post/twit/like then they ain't interested in going themselves.

Charlie Spencer said:
I don't understand why you want the manufacturers to tie the two (e-car R&D and racing) together, and why you think NASCAR is the appropriate venue....Like Subaru, it can be profitable and successful with a small, dedicated audience, just not at the boom level of 15 years ago.
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I think it is the appropriate venue 10 to 20 years from now. The generation that is 20 will be 40 by the end of that time period. NASCAR will have aged out of its current fan base by then.

To replace them with the Millennials and Gen Z after them NASCAR is going to have to get proactive. Example, is the fall in people going to the track and having some announcer say over and over again (like Rick Allen did this past weekend) that they are headed into turn 1 at 210 mph doesn't convey anything to someone watching it on TV who has never seen a vehicle move at that pace. The vehicles on TV look like the cars headed down your local roads. How are we going to get the next group of fans to join our niche based fun? (See the above answer about twitter followers and their social network and why all of a sudden that is important).

Research shows that Millennials are considered digital natives and Gen Z is the first generation to be born and raised in a truly digital age. Where Millennials multitask between two screens, i.e., a laptop and a mobile phone, Gen Z can juggle up to five screens, i.e., laptop, phone, TV, desktop, and gaming device. You have to offer a product they are interested in or they move on to something else quickly. How quick? Gen Z the data is 8 seconds vs. 12 seconds for Millennials. How's that 6 hour rain delay race gonna get them interested? They have no interest sitting in stands with minimal wifi for hours on end and do nothing. They want to be entertained. NASCAR needs to partner with products they care about, and tie themselves into issues they care about. NASCAR needs to sell towards affluent Millennials to survive. NASCAR needs to recognize that experiences win out over just product driven campaigns. That begins with understanding the need for co-creation, co-participation and experience innovation. NASCAR and the tracks are starting to get on board with this idea. They are about 5 years behind the NFL, NBA, and MLB in what they are doing to their properties. They are a decade behind the music promoters. Being the rebel sport of moonshiners might have worked in the past but it ain't gonna be a key selling point in the future.

The environment and how human's impact it is important to the Millennials and Gen Z'ers. Thus, this has been a very long answer to why tie electric cars into NASCAR and I hope it makes sense. I'm a bit tired.
 
aunty dive said:
I'll take that under advisement as part of my 20 year forum plan.

I think I prefer Hybrid Electric Snarky but we will see.
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Glad to see that I'm making progress with you and you are realizing that what I am posting has truth within it. A little change is the start of big change. I'm all for it.
 
Towmater said:
If you took that to mean that you would be aged out of the sport, then yes, it is.
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Hopefully Nascar can do something to attract a younger fan base but as it stands now the current base is aging out and are not being replaced.
 
Towmater said:
Glad to see that I'm making progress with you and you are realizing that what I am posting has truth within it. A little change is the start of big change. I'm all for it.
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Everything you've posted has a ring of truth to it.

Don't most public / private corporations and major sports enterprises spend some time doing future planning? I would guess that NASCAR's executives are aware of forthcoming paradigm shifts and pondering their future effects. If they are, the fact that they're not sharing those thoughts with the public doesn't surprise me. Naturally, I could be wrong.
 
Towmater said:
That was a welcome reprieve from your usual post about living in OK the land of wide open spaces. Praise Jesus!
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As far as I'm concerned the best thing about OK is the road to Texas, New Mexico or Colorado but that is just a personal preference and I am sure most of the 4 million people in OK are very happy in their surroundings.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
As far as I'm concerned the best thing about OK is the road to Texas, New Mexico or Colorado but that is just a personal preference and I am sure most of the 4 million people in OK are very happy in their surroundings.
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They have The Chili Bowl.

Reason enough to declare Oklahoma the greatest state in the union.
 
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