Thoughts?

FenderBumper said:
Seriously? :rolleyes: C'mon Chevy Jesus, you gotta be able to read that video better than that? That was a door jamming 8 wheel turn for some racing room against a guy running a retarded line to hold you down.
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That's what happens when 2 guys that don't like each other try to win a race. To me those 2 moves cancel each other out but then Hamlin decides to turn Logano into the outside wall when it looks like the 22 is going to pass him on the inside. At that point the 11 car was already out of shape and if Hamlin had just turned the wheel the other way to save the car instead of left to wreck Logano he might not be out six weeks with a broken back.
 
MrSluggo said:
That's what happens when 2 guys that don't like each other try to win a race. To me those 2 moves cancel each other out but then Hamlin decides to turn Logano into the outside wall when it looks like the 22 is going to pass him on the inside. At that point the 11 car was already out of shape and if Hamlin had just turned the wheel the other way to save the car instead of left to wreck Logano he might not be out six weeks with a broken back.
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there's a guy who understands racing. Denny had the room to catch the car, but that would mean turning AWAY from Logano. In that moment, Denny decided wrecking him was more important.
 
I don't even know if I need to be in here right now. Fender seems to be doing a pretty good job holding up my end of this argument. Joey let up because he was loose and trying to gather it up. When he did he started to pass Denny and Denny couldn't handle being wrong again so he turned left into Joey. You really think Joey would nose in front to the point that the rear of his car is past Denny's door ...and then turn right?o_O

Denny know's the truth.. and I'll bet next time he doesn't race Joey so hard.

Regardless of anything else, Joey and the 22 team had a great weekend; are sitting 9th in points(which is his best start to a season this many races in); has had fast cars every week; and looks to be ready as ever to put together the best season of his career to date. I wouldn't be surprised if we hear a lot more about Joey this year.
 
When I think a driver is right, I'll defend him when he gets a raw deal. Initially I thought Joey was out to wreck Denny. I had to go back and look close to see it was the best and hardest racing I've seen in a long, long time.....until Denny went south.

DOWN WITH RESPECT!
 
Thegroundpounder99 said:
Joey Logano onboard.


Listen to the throttle, it clearly backs up his Sunday comments. There was no way Joey was gonna let Denny by, even if it costs Joey himself. I don't have a issue with it, though I don't feel Fontana is a place for payback, if Denny wasn't injured we wouldn't be talking about this.
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I really like his spotter help and encouragement.
 
MrSluggo said:
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mrsluggo-----great video ! can ya imagine tha 2 french guys in booth w/ dw ? :director: ha!
i rewatched 1st part 4 times !! what a hoot !

gotta agree w/ fenderbumper on end a' race. kyle woulda won even if joey/denny don't wreck !
 
If I'm Denny Hamlin, I wouldn't do anything differently. Get door slammed and watch the culprit drive off and take the w? Hell no. THATS racing. Regardless of how much room either of them give eachother.
 
FenderBumper said:
When I think a driver is right, I'll defend him when he gets a raw deal. Initially I thought Joey was out to wreck Denny. I had to go back and look close to see it was the best and hardest racing I've seen in a long, long time.....until Denny went south.

DOWN WITH RESPECT!
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Kez called you, didn't he? ;)
 
Thegroundpounder99 said:
Joey Logano onboard.


Probably has already been mentioned, but thanks to groundpounder's find, I got to see it again from a different angle. Denny didn't have any room to move up, Joey could hear from his spotter that Kyle was coming, but he was pretty busy with Denny so I doubt he saw him in his mirror. Denny had to hold his line or he would have been busted by Kyle. I think Denny saw Kyle coming, so he was pretty much stuck in the middle with no where to go. If that had happened a second sooner, they would have taken out Kyle, and then we would really have something to talk about....so neither one had a chance, that bleep de bleep Bush caused the wreck.:)
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Your Kyle theory doesn't hold water, because Kyle was already past them....or maybe Denny didn't see him blow by. :rolleyes:
 
You know what.. after watching the last few laps of the race today I noticed there is one thing Logano did do wrong. He should have slid up in front of Kyle going into turn one on the final restart after he blocked Tony, I think from there he would have driven away with it.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
You know what.. after watching the last few laps of the race today I noticed there is one thing Logano did do wrong. He should have slid up in front of Kyle going into turn one on the final restart after he blocked Tony, I think from there he would have driven away with it.
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I wondered about that, but he pulled away from Kyle and was faster on the low line. It really came down to Denny bumping Joey and taking his line away and getting to the outside, because he couldn't pass him without that contact.
 
FenderBumper said:
I wondered about that, but he pulled away from Kyle and was faster on the low line. It really came down to Denny bumping Joey and taking his line away and getting to the outside, because he couldn't pass him without that contact.
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Remember on the restart, with 11 to go, coming out of turn 2 Joey almost cleared Kyle.. then fell back in traffic on the low side for 5 laps before coming back to take the lead with 6 to go. Joey was better on the bottom through the center of the turn but he needed to arc the corner from close to the wall to get the best run through the center and come pretty much back up to the wall on corner exit to make the most speed. Kyle took that line away being on the high side. I think if he could have been in front of Kyle going into turn 1 or even out of turn 2 he would have been able to run his own line and I'm not sure if Denny even would have been able to catch him to give him that bump.
 
That had a lot to do with what happened I think, Joey had old tires, and his fastest line was inside and slide it to the top. Bush and he were the only two that had old tires, but Kyle's car ran it's best right up at the top and he tried the whole race to keep it up top. Denny looked like he was trying to run kinda middle low and drift up, and as his tires gave up he would run up at the top.
 
StandOnIt said:
That had a lot to do with what happened I think, Joey had old tires, and his fastest line was inside and slide it to the top. Bush and he were the only two that had old tires, but Kyle's car ran it's best right up at the top and he tried the whole race to keep it up top. Denny looked like he was trying to run kinda middle low and drift up, and as his tires gave up he would run up at the top.
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That's how I know for sure Joey really had the best car. He could run anywhere pretty much the whole race and keep time with the leader almost every lap or better.
 
FenderBumper said:
If you go to 40 seconds, you'll see Hamlin bump Logano to turn him down a bit and take the high line. The high line wins this race, and Hamlin knew it. Would he have bumped Tony like that?

Damn, the more I watch that video, the more impressed I get with Logano's skill. I'm also convinced that Denny is the one who decided Joey isn't going to win, even if I have to wreck him. Denny made his own mess right there. He was so caught up in it, he failed to lock them down and hit hard.
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............see..........................,dam you JS n SPEED
 
Denny was trying to save his car after Joey over-drove the corner and hammered him. Plain and simple. You guys are so hung up on the slo-mo video that you actually believe that there was time for any thought process by either driver in the seconds between Joey driving over his head and Denny hitting the wall.
Joey is lucky that he has the opportunity to drive over his head in top notch equipment. It's all he's ever known. One day when car owners get tired of recycling steel, Joey will be relegated to tearing up second-notch equipment. Apparently, Joe Gibbs has already grown weary.
 
BobbyFord said:
Joey is lucky that he has the opportunity to drive over his head in top notch equipment. It's all he's ever known. One day when car owners get tired of recycling steel, Joey will be relegated to tearing up second-notch equipment.
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Let's be real. He's been running at the finish in 139 out of 152 career Cup races (over 90% of the time). That's actually better than Kyle Busch's career average and slightly below Hamlin's.
 
I actually thought that day Joey should be parked for Martinsville. It was obvious what was gonna happen when they were along side going into the final turn. The fact was Denny roughed Joey up at Bristol. A track where they are running about 120 mph, and then they interviewed Joey and he promised revenge. Well I would expect Martinsville another short track where drivers are running simular speeds and pretty much get into each other every lap. But instead he decides to take him out the very next week where speeds are close to 200 mph. That final corner Hamlin gave the #22 plenty of room and you could see him move up the track into Denny, Joey knew what he was doing and his radio response and post race interview supports that.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Let's be real. He's been running at the finish in 139 out of 152 career Cup races (over 90% of the time). That's actually better than Kyle Busch's career average and slightly below Hamlin's.
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In what position? Joe Nemechek is usually running at the end of the race, too.
Let's REALLY be real; don't try to compare Joey Logano to Kyle Busch.
Check average finish stats. Check the record books. Kyle made The Chase at 21 years old, youngest driver to do so.
You'll be disappointed if you try to compare Joey to Kyle.
 
BobbyFord said:
In what position? Joe Nemechek is usually running at the end of the race, too.
Let's REALLY be real; don't try to compare Joey Logano to Kyle Busch.
Check average finish stats. Check the record books. Kyle made The Chase at 21 years old, youngest driver to do so.
You'll be disappointed if you try to compare Joey to Kyle.
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Joe's actually only finished eight races since the beginning of 2010.

Tangential info. The point is Joey "tears up equipment" at a rate roughly equal to that of drivers considered elite, including his former JGR teammates.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Joe's actually only finished eight races since the beginning of 2010.

Tangential info. The point is Joey "tears up equipment" at a rate roughly equal to that of drivers considered elite, including his former JGR teammates.
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You forgot the career average finish stats...
 
BobbyFord said:
You forgot the career average finish stats...
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Pretty sure he was only referring to you saying Joey tears up sheet metal, not trying to compare top 5s. You're saying Joey wrecks a lot for some reason while he has about a 90% finishing rate while Kyle's is less than that. What does average finish have to do with percentage of races finished?? They're two completely separate stats.. get yourself together man you're arguing points nobody brought up lol.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Pretty sure he was only referring to you saying Joey tears up sheet metal, not trying to compare top 5s. You're saying Joey wrecks a lot for some reason while he has about a 90% finishing rate while Kyle's is less than that. What does average finish have to do with percentage of races finished?? They're two completely separate stats.. get yourself together man you're arguing points nobody brought up lol.
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Because owners don't mind you tearing up equipment if you are winning races and being productive. I'm guessing that's why he brought it up.
 
Denny Hamlin has never been shy about moving up the track in front of Kyle Busch...remember the 2010 All Star Race? And that was with 9 laps to go.


Fontana finish from another angle...
 
Hamlin lifted, twice. Logano was so focused on screwing Hamlin (who gave him tons of room). It's like someone else said, Logano knew he wouldn't win so he made sure someone other than Hamlin won.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Joe's actually only finished eight races since the beginning of 2010.

Tangential info. The point is Joey "tears up equipment" at a rate roughly equal to that of drivers considered elite, including his former JGR teammates.
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front row joe sold his estate too. maybe he's consigned ta just puttin mo back.......fer retirement ? can't do that...tearin stuff up every week !

as fer joey.........i'm no big fan.....but....he's seen tha cup guys drop ta nw....or gone completely.....while he's cruisin in tony's old ride w/ a secured contract.
this yr may be tha 1st " job pressure" he's ever had ? an 1st identity in "his car" !
sho seems a diff driver ta me. we'll see.
 
hawg dawg said:
front row joe sold his estate too. maybe he's consigned ta just puttin mo back.......fer retirement ? can't do that...tearin stuff up every week !

as fer joey.........i'm no big fan.....but....he's seen tha cup guys drop ta nw....or gone completely.....while he's cruisin in tony's old ride w/ a secured contract.
this yr may be tha 1st " job pressure" he's ever had ? an 1st identity in "his car" !
sho seems a diff driver ta me. we'll see.
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I am an avid Joey Logano fan and he is definitely a different driver this year than before.
 
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