Toyota-Save Mart 350-Sonoma Pre-race Thread

Thegroundpounder99 said:
All I know is I'm ready for some road course racing. You don't luck in to a road course win, you have to earn it.
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Unless Marcos Ambrose is leading and decides to shut off the motor while under caution and then stalls it on a hill........ then you luck into a win
 
clarkfn2284 said:
Unless Marcos Ambrose is leading and decides to shut off the motor while under caution and then stalls it on a hill........ then you luck into a win
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You had to remind us of this? Words cannot describe my thoughts when that happened....well yes they can but their not printable words.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I'm going to be there in September. When someone else is paying the tab, you work around their schedule.

James Finch must figure since he's getting out before Watkins Glen then there's no sense in hauling a road course car back to the shop. I'm putting the over / under on 'Cars Jacques damages' at 5. 'Damage' is defined as the other car having to pit, not just trading paint. Place your bets...
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I'm thinking just under 5 cars.
 
clarkfn2284 said:
Unless Marcos Ambrose is leading and decides to shut off the motor while under caution and then stalls it on a hill........ then you luck into a win
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That had to be one of the harder lessons to have been learned. Your leading a Sprint Cup race with the chance of it being your first win, your crew chief orders in your ear and a pack of the best stock car drivers in the world right behind waiting for you to f-up the smallest bit and they will be all over you.........

Road racing is friggin great.... watching these cars pitch left and right, accelleration, brakeing...... its just awesome.
 
leroy17 said:
That had to be one of the harder lessons to have been learned. Your leading a Sprint Cup race with the chance of it being your first win, your crew chief orders in your ear and a pack of the best stock car drivers in the world right behind waiting for you to f-up the smallest bit and they will be all over you.........

Road racing is friggin great.... watching these cars pitch left and right, accelleration, brakeing...... its just awesome.
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I would like to see some tracks designed for stock cars and their limted braking and turning ability. A wide 1 mile road course with 3 or 4 risky passing zones would be awesome.
 
leroy17 said:
That had to be one of the harder lessons to have been learned. Your leading a Sprint Cup race with the chance of it being your first win, your crew chief orders in your ear and a pack of the best stock car drivers in the world right behind waiting for you to f-up the smallest bit and they will be all over you.........

Road racing is friggin great.... watching these cars pitch left and right, accelleration, brakeing...... its just awesome.
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We were their for it. My wife and I with a couple of friends. We were in turn 4, right before the drop in elevation. All of a sudden the pack cruises by and no Ambrose and on the TV I see he is stalled. I switched to his frequency and there was nothing but utter confusion from him and his car chief.

Then NASCAR made the call and I just shook my head. It was amazing to see that actually happen. Then JJ walked away with it
 
FenderBumper said:
I would like to see some tracks designed for stock cars and their limted braking and turning ability. A wide 1 mile road course with 3 or 4 risky passing zones would be awesome.
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Sup Road America.

Actually, Watkins Glen is actually a pretty good road course for stock cars too, in my humble opinion. I think the Cup cars would put on a great show at Road Atlanta, too.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
LOL nope... Im kinda more interested to see who Jacques is gona piss off. I have a feeling itll be Tony..
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Easier to guess who he WON'T piss off, and that list consists of the S&P crowd. He'll PO everyone else, if only because he'll raise so many cautions that no one will be able to get in a rhythm.
 
KevinWI said:
Sup Road America.

Actually, Watkins Glen is actually a pretty good road course for stock cars too, in my humble opinion. I think the Cup cars would put on a great show at Road Atlanta, too.
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WG, RA and Sonoma don't really have what it takes for real good racing in cup cars. The NW cars are slower and a little lighter and therefore brake better, which is a big reason why there is more quality passing in NW road races.
 
FenderBumper said:
WG, RA and Sonoma don't really have what it takes for real good racing in cup cars. The NW cars are slower and a little lighter and therefore brake better, which is a big reason why there is more quality passing in NW road races.
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In your opinion. I've been going to races at Road America since I was old enough to stand. I think it'd be a great place for a Cup race. I think Cup cars would be able to pass on the front stretch, "turn 4", the carasoul and the back stretch. And there's been more than a few good Cup races at Watkins Glen, so, not sure what you're talking about.
 
KevinWI said:
In your opinion. I've been going to races at Road America since I was old enough to stand. I think it'd be a great place for a Cup race. I think Cup cars would be able to pass on the front stretch, "turn 4", the carasoul and the back stretch. And there's been more than a few good Cup races at Watkins Glen, so, not sure what you're talking about.
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Of course. Now we have your opinion too.
 
FenderBumper said:
Of course. Now we have your opinion too.
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But my opinion is right and everybody else is wrong. :D

Seriously though, I've seen vintage Corvettes and Ferraris race at RA and they put on a good show. Obviously, much lighter than modern Cup cars, but they also have terrible awful drum brakes compared to modern brakes as well. Elkhart Lake has a lot of long winding straights that would be good for Cup cars, again, in my humble opinion.

Of course, being from Wisconsin, I am biased and "Because Road America" is my answer to all road course-related questions.
 
KevinWI said:
But my opinion is right and everybody else is wrong. :D

Seriously though, I've seen vintage Corvettes and Ferraris race at RA and they put on a good show. Obviously, much lighter than modern Cup cars, but they also have terrible awful drum brakes compared to modern brakes as well. Elkhart Lake has a lot of long winding straights that would be good for Cup cars, again, in my humble opinion.

Of course, being from Wisconsin, I am biased and "Because Road America" is my answer to all road course-related questions.
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I don't see much difference in a cup car and a N'wide car on a road course. If they are racing N'wides at RA, cups can race there too. It is not like they are any wider and they weigh only a hundred pounds more. Neither one stop any better, they both run the same rear suspension and will wheel hop like crazy if you don't brake properly. Cup car will spin the tires easier, but they can have as many tires that they want. Bring on RA.
 
KevinWI said:
But my opinion is right and everybody else is wrong. :D

Seriously though, I've seen vintage Corvettes and Ferraris race at RA and they put on a good show. Obviously, much lighter than modern Cup cars, but they also have terrible awful drum brakes compared to modern brakes as well. Elkhart Lake has a lot of long winding straights that would be good for Cup cars, again, in my humble opinion.

Of course, being from Wisconsin, I am biased and "Because Road America" is my answer to all road course-related questions.
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Your opinions are entertaining. My facts are right. :p

Yes, those vintage cars are different than Cup cars, just as NW cars are firrent than cup cars.

:confused: I said that already.
 
Odds to win the 2013 Toyota Save-Mart 350 (6/23/13)
Driver Odds
Marcos Ambrose 5/1
Tony Stewart 7/1
Jimmie Johnson 7/1
Jeff Gordon 7/1
Kyle Busch 10/1
Juan Montoya 10/1
Clint Bowyer 10/1
Kevin Harvick 10/1
Kurt Busch 10/1
Brad Keselowski 15/1
Kasey Kahne 20/1
Carl Edwards 30/1
Joey Logano 30/1
Denny Hamlin 30/1
Martin Truex Jr. 30/1
Greg Biffle 40/1
Jamie McMurray 40/1
Matt Kenseth 40/1
Field (Any Other Driver) 50/1
Ron Fellows 60/1
Jacques Villeneuve 60/1
Ryan Newman 60/1
Brian Vickers 60/1
Jeff Burton 100/1
Paul Menard 100/1
Danica Patrick 100/1
Aric Almirola 100/1
Dale Earnhardt Jr. 100/1
Ricky Stenhouse 100/1
Casey Mears 300/1
 
Saturday
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Saturday Night
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Partly cloudy with a chance of rain after midnight. Low of 57F. Breezy. Winds from the West at 10 to 20 mph.

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Humidity 62% 33% 33% 56%
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Conditions Clear Clear Clear Partly Cloudy
Sunrise & Sunset
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8:37 PM
 
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Partly cloudy with a chance of rain, then a chance of rain in the afternoon. High of 77F. Winds from the WSW at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 30%.
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Overcast with a chance of rain after midnight. Low of 59F. Winds from the SW at 5 to 10 mph.

Hourly Forecast6AM12 Noon6PM12 Midnight
Temp. | Dew Point 59 | 49 68 | 53 71 | 54 62 | 55
Wind 8 mph West 13 mph WSW 9 mph WSW 6 mph SW
Humidity 65% 60% 56% 80%
Chance of Precip. 20% 30% 30% 10%
Cloud Cover 73% 69% 66% 100%
Conditions Chance of Rain Chance of Rain Chance of Rain Overcast
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8:37 PM
 
LOL, Jeff Garden. Must be a new road course ringer Hendrick has brought in. How do you misspell the name of one of the most prolific NASCAR drivers of the past 20 years?
 
Watching practice right now, track looks difficult for these cars, no problem for sports cars or touring or group C but NASCAR is a different animal. Villeneuve going wide often on this track but he improved quickly.

LOL Jeff Garden.
 
i'm curious...when did all this love for road courses begin?

admittedly, i'm an old timer. but once upon a time, if my memory hasn't went tilt (anyone remember pinball?), road courses were deplored and to be ignored. seems that has changed.

is it because of the lack of short tracks in favor of the cookie cutters?

just wondering...
 
You'd think drivers like Fellows would want to put in as many laps as possible in practice...especially as they're a long way off the pace so far. :confused:
 
I'm sitting in a hotel on the beach in Ventura watching Cup practice. Lots of guys getting off the track into the dirt. I just watched Jimmie spin out. Looks real slick out there.
I'm walking distance from the dirt track that I'll be at tomorrow night. Sprint cars, IMCA modifieds, and carts :)
 
klemmabyna said:
i'm curious...when did all this love for road courses begin?

admittedly, i'm an old timer. but once upon a time, if my memory hasn't went tilt (anyone remember pinball?), road courses were deplored and to be ignored. seems that has changed.

is it because of the lack of short tracks in favor of the cookie cutters?

just wondering...
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Keep in mind this place is filled with enthusiasts looking to discuss racing, not a perfect vertical slice of all NASCAR fans. I bet a lot of fans will be tuning out this weekend, which is a shame.
 
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