Truck RACE thread --- Dover

Because Kyle Busch is WAY overqualified. Sauter obviously isn't. He is where he belongs.

The quality disparity for teams in Xfinity and Trucks is at an all time high. The distance between the haves and the have nots is much greater than it has ever been. So it bothers a lot of people when you take the best teams with the greatest resources that already have a ridiculous advantage, and put a driver in the car who is literally in a different league talent wise. The only people who want to see Busch/Harvick/Logano stink up the show and dominate an Xfinity race are the fans of those drivers. The series is already struggling bad enough as it is, the last thing Xfinity needs is boring/predictable races.
 
2 Sweet said:
Because Kyle Busch is WAY overqualified. Sauter obviously isn't. He is where he belongs.

The quality disparity for teams in Xfinity and Trucks is at an all time high. The distance between the haves and the have nots is much greater than it has ever been. So it bothers a lot of people when you take the best teams with the greatest resources that already have a ridiculous advantage, and put a driver in the car who is literally in a different league talent wise. The only people who want to see Busch/Harvick/Logano stink up the show and dominate an Xfinity race are the fans of those drivers. The series is already struggling bad enough as it is, the last thing Xfinity needs is boring/predictable races.
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Qualifying should be based on ability?
C’mon, man.
Sauter is a Truck hack with limited talent.
If you’re going to complain about Cup guys in Trucks, you’ve also got to include guys that fail to promote.
 
BobbyFord said:
Qualifying should be based on ability?
C’mon, man.
Sauter is a Truck hack with limited talent.
If you’re going to complain about Cup guys in Trucks, you’ve also got to include guys that fail to promote.
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I don't see Sauter being a "hack" at all. He knows his limitations and races in a series suited to him. He is NOT a Cup
guy so why can't he race in trucks. Not everyone can be "promoted" to the big leagues and be successful. Sauter
gave it a shot and it didn't work out.
He found a place where he is comfortable and can race to the best of his abilities.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
I don't see Sauter being a "hack" at all. He knows his limitations and races in a series suited to him. He is NOT a Cup
guy so why can't he race in trucks. Not everyone can be "promoted" to the big leagues and be successful. Sauter
gave it a shot and it didn't work out.
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He can race wherever he wants. My opinion is with regard to the irony of his fanbase.
Kyle or any other Cup or Xfin driver has every opportunity to participate as does Johnny Sauter. I view and rate drivers for their own ability and not for the ability of their competitors.
 
2 Sweet said:
No, I certainly don't. That makes no sense. So what do you suggest guys like Sauter do instead? Just go home and take up knitting?
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He should just beat up on kids like Hornaday did. Just don’t expect any respect from real drivers, I guess.
I’m not bagging on Johnny, just the people that think the series should be limited to other drivers. Why should the series be limited to drivers that have the ability to leave but not for drivers that don’t?
 
BobbyFord said:
He should just beat up on kids like Hornaday did. Just don’t expect any respect from real drivers, I guess.
I’m not bagging on Johnny, just the people that think the series should be limited other drivers. Why should the series be limited to drivers that have the ability to leave but not for drivers that don’t?
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Like I said, you're giving the teams like Gibbs/Penske (who are already a country mile ahead of the Xfinity competition) a driver who is way better than the rest of the field. That's lame/boring as hell. But hey, if Kyle Busch wants to go race in some POS Xfinity car like the ****box Dakoda Armstrong races every week, let him try his luck. Nobody would bat an eye.
 
Let's not get into the "Cup drivers shouldn't be allowed in lower series" argument again. Please. As long as NASCAR lets
it happen, it will happen. Sauter in the trucks and Kyle in the trucks don't equate for me.
 
C’mon, man. Did Kyle always drive for JGR?
You don’t question why a guy can’t step up?
I’m sure as hell not going to respect a win by a 40 year old driver in a top tier Truck team. He beat that 19 year old kid though didn’t he?
 
TexasRaceLady said:
Let's not get into the "Cup drivers shouldn't be allowed in lower series" argument again. Please. As long as NASCAR lets
it happen, it will happen. Sauter in the trucks and Kyle in the trucks don't equate for me.
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NASCAR recognized the problem, and put the limits in place for good reason. It seems like the only folks who disagree with the limitations are Kyle Busch fans :idunno:

To me, it's like the New York Yankees playing the Akron Aeros. But let's take it a step further and let Clayton Kershaw pitch for the Yankees. Yeah, that's totally fair! :rolleyes:

You are right though, this topic has been beat to death. At this point everyone has their opinions, and they aren't changing.
 
the late race crash was fake . NASCAR wanted to test a 4th stage of a GWC.
 
BobbyFord said:
I celebrate the guy that can step up, not the guy that can’t.
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In this case it seems like you celebrate the guy who can step up, but still takes pleasure in stepping down too. And diminish the guy who can't maintain a place at the very top, but is still likely in the top 3% of his profession.

Me, I don't blame Kyle Busch for doing as he pleases within the rules. He's a racer who lives and breathes racing. I respect that. However, that doesn't mean that the rules must cater to him, and that the lower series can't decide that it is for lower series drivers.
 
gnomesayin said:
In this case it seems like you celebrate the guy who can step up, but still takes pleasure in stepping down too. And diminish the guy who can't maintain a place at the very top, but is still likely in the top 3% of his profession.

Me, I don't blame Kyle Busch for doing as he pleases within the rules. He's a racer who lives and breathes racing. I respect that. However, that doesn't mean that the rules must cater to him, and that the lower series can't decide that it is for lower series drivers.
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Rules don’t cater to success.
2 Sweet said:
Yet you celebrate your guy "stepping down" to beat up on the guy that can't go any higher. What were you saying about irony?
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Isn’t Kyle 7 years the minor?
 
Gotta feel for Gragson. That’s a rough one. Learning experience for sure.


Props to Sauter for giving Gallagher acknowledgement in victory lane. Lmao.
 
2 Sweet said:
But but but its doesn't matter because he'z not a Cup driver!!!!!!!! Racing sucks, all that matters iz watching da best drivers no matter the competitions!!!!!!!!


:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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One cannot legitimize Kyle Busch’s Truck Series wins and at the same time delegitimize Sauter’s Truck Series wins. Cannot have one without the other. If Sauter’s win’s are blasphemy because he is too talented, WTF does that make of Kyle Busch?
 
I’m a fan for more years than most of you guys have had oxygen.
I think we are all on the same page.
I hate the direction of the sport and what the fans currently think is a good race.
I’m sad for the direction of the sport and it truly pains me to speak out against the sport.
It feels like a family member has died.
 
The truck series had a ton of older drivers in the birth of the series.

Its nothing new, honestly. There has always been those established veterans who serve as benchmarks. Sauter and Crafton are good drivers who are also mentors. You see them both constantly talking to their teammates and teaching them. I'm not a fan of the either of them, but they are needed for the series.
 
Noah Gragson is now firmly on my radar. That kid has some heart and doesn't mind
taking a chance or 2. I will be keeping up with him. Those last laps were outstanding to watch.
 
Gragson raced hard I appreciate that. But he crossed the line in my opinion with the blocking.

Hypothetical: During the final laps I was thinking it was an invitation for Sauter to move him as roughly as needed. I am glad it wasn't necessary, though.
Note: I hate bump and runs. But the blocking leaves no alternative.
 
Developmental series need experienced drivers. No matter what the activity is, up-and-comers don't get better competing just against themselves.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Not a bad little race. The end was just the difference between a 40 year old veteran knowing how to keep his truck straight against a kid who hadn't learned that bumping from the inside is often inadvisable.
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If you think about it
Sure Noah wrecked doing what he could to win....as he should
If I was an owner that’s what I would want
If Noah had pulled over when Sauter got close....I’d be looking for another driver
Instead he learned for the next time
 
Instead of talking about somehow who didn’t even run yesterday, the race itself was great, which is usually how the Truck Dover race goes. Once Gragson ran Sauter up to the wall I knew it was over for Noah. I was also very impressed by Jesse Little. Dude has a lot of talent and runs very good considering he isn’t in top equipment. Also got Crafton to sign my ticket at the Ford Display Q&A. Another thing about these truck drivers is they are very grateful and supportive of their fans. Crafton and Enfinger signed everything after they finished their Q&A.
 
28car said:
If you think about it
Sure Noah wrecked doing what he could to win....as he should
If I was an owner that’s what I would want
If Noah had pulled over when Sauter got close....I’d be looking for another driver
Instead he learned for the next time
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Zero issue with what Gragson or Sauter did. It’s racing. Neither gave an inch. It was compelling stuff.

I admire Gragson for having the sand to go all out for the win. That’s what the fans tune in for. Yeah he wrecked, but he left it all out on the track. The kid has balls. I respect that.
 
Johnny Sauter has always been and will always have a turd of a personality. Personally can't stand the guy...
"this wins for Spencer, he's a smart kid, he'll get it right, I'm proud of him"
Lmao what a joke.
kkfan91 said:
Yep so many "hacks" win championships
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Well when you consider how much of a joke the championship format is at this level a championship doesn't mean much of anything
 
BobbyFord said:
C’mon, man. Did Kyle always drive for JGR?
You don’t question why a guy can’t step up?
I’m sure as hell not going to respect a win by a 40 year old driver in a top tier Truck team. He beat that 19 year old kid though didn’t he?
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Well, to be fair the kid beat himself. Then on the restart Johnny had to beat Matt Crafton who's 41, so a 40 year old beat a 41 year old. :idunno: oh and 4th was
David Gilliland who's 42. But hey, you did have a 19 year old in third. So I guess you could have meant Justin Haley.
 
If Kyle saw this thread, he'd probably be questioning is insanity wondering if he was actually in the race yesterday. Either that, or he'd be gloating about how he is relevant even if he isnt racing.
 
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