Truex Jr. - Absolutly schooling these guys/gal on the importance of Stage Points

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Six races to go until this Chase err Playoff Season begins. To date Truex has amassed 29 bonus points to carry into each round. By the time the checkered flag is waved @ Richmond, he could end up with almost a race lead over most of the Playoff field heading into each round. Right now he's 13 points over his next closest competitor, Jimmie Johnson @ 16. While many hate the idea of these stages, their importance can't be denied. This is interesting to watch IMO.

Disclaimer..... The above paragraph is in no way, shape or form and endorsement for this made for television post season format.
 
darlingtonfan said:
I question how many NASCAR fans realize this and what their reaction will be.This might end up being a one year experiment with stage points.Truex is in a great spot.
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I think 2017 is a year of learning by these teams. Next year, teams will be working off of a different book of strategy having realized the Stage Points importance/benefits.

It will take catastrophic circumstances of monumental proportions for him not to advance to Homestead.

Edit..... The above statement may not necessarily make sense but give me credit.... I used 10 or more letters in four words. I'm tired now.
 
If something happened like at Indy, he is going to need them, on the other hand the 18 that ate the wall would be in trouble to make it to the next stage. It can change how a driver will race in the playoffs. Take note: For the complainers searching for the right phrase, these will get you started: "it's not REAL racing" , "Nascar is manipulating the outcome" . For the rest of us, It should be interesting.
 
The truth has been spoken I don't think people have realized yet how important stage points and overall running order and regular-season strength is compared to what it used to be Truex is all but guaranteed a final four spot and Homestead already.
 
StandOnIt said:
I don't have a clue about the way Nascar will use those playoff points. If they use those like they award points in racing, Truex has almost a complete race worth of points.
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Those points are awarded to the Playoff driver that earned them at the beginning of each playoff segment with the exception of Homestead. Prior to the 1st, 4th and 7th races Truex will be awarded those segment points earned. Not sure if that is a clear enough explanation or not? If not, I can look for the simplified 10 page release from NASCAR. ;)
 
The question I have is was this strategy or is the 78 so damn quick, he just can't help winning stuff?

This is going to be interesting.....I don't know that I love Martin having a free pass to Homestead, but it does reward a guy who runs consistently run up front. I do like the season points champion getting a huge reward. We will see how it shakes out, and if a non-preferred driver wins it all, we will hear the bitching for the entire offseason. Something to look forward to for sure...
 
Yup, he could stay home and still win. Or just fire the engine at homestead, complete one lap and park it. It really isnt fun to watch the way he dominates. Qualifies 3rd makes his way to 2nd by lap 30 and wins the stage. Where have we seen this before? he has it figured out for sure.
 
rocket dawg said:
Yup, he could stay home and still win. Or just fire the engine at homestead, complete one lap and park it. It really isnt fun to watch the way he dominates. Qualifies 3rd makes his way to 2nd by lap 30 and wins the stage. Where have we seen this before? he has it figured out for sure.
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No bonus points handed out for Homestead. The top 4 go in even Steven. Points won't matter then, only the finishing position.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Those points are awarded to the Playoff driver that earned them at the beginning of each playoff segment with the exception of Homestead. Prior to the 1st, 4th and 7th races Truex will be awarded those segment points earned. Not sure if that is a clear enough explanation or not? If not, I can look for the simplified 10 page release from NASCAR. ;)
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Yeah I know all of that..The mind twister for me is say a car has a bad day, and they have 30 points. Does the team say well lets see, lets use 5 points of our 30 to give us a higher finish. Or Does Nascar control the thing and say how many points they can use. Can a team decide to hold on to the points because although they had a crappy finish, they think saving them for later will be better? (I got a headache now) The combinations are endless.
 
Gotta say this.....The little confrontation in the 78 box Sunday showed me that the 78 might be ready to win this thing. There is some swagger with that group right now.
 
StandOnIt said:
Yeah I know all of that..The mind twister for me is say a car has a bad day, and they have 30 points. Does the team say well lets see, lets use 5 points of our 30 to give us a higher finish. Or Does Nascar control the thing and say how many points they can use. Can a team decide to hold on to the points because although they had a crappy finish, they think saving them for later will be better? (I got a headache now)
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No, that's not how it would work. I think all I could do is further confuse you. I'll look for the link to how it all works.
 
StandOnIt said:
Yeah I know all of that..The mind twister for me is say a car has a bad day, and they have 30 points. Does the team say well lets see, lets use 5 points of our 30 to give us a higher finish. Or Does Nascar control the thing and say how many points they can use. Can a team decide to hold on to the points because although they had a crappy finish, they think saving them for later will be better? (I got a headache now) The combinations are endless.
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Can't find the print copy of the post season format but here's the video explanation. Hopefully this will help. If not, don't worry, NBC will be jamming this into your head in a few short races to come.....

The video should pick up at the correct point.....

 
Johali said:
Hear Hear.
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I wanted to post the .pdf of the official NASCAR Playoff System but I ran out of hard drive space. The book wasn't an option either as UPS Freight doesn't pick up in my rural area.

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The video's got to do for now.
 
nobody understands the points **** or even cares for the most part. I got to hand it to Nascar : 'If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull****.'
 
that is a bunch of bull, go to the nascar website and tell me which driver has the most top 5's for instance. Uh which stage? Can't at a glance see any of that. Simple math? yeah right.
 
Math is simple. This playoff format is anything but. There are so many pieces to this post season puzzle that simplicity is not part of the description.
 
Simple Fan said:
New points system is pretty easy to undertand in my opinion. Just need to know simple addition to calculate the bonus points.
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Agreed. Finish 1st in a stage? 10 points. 10th? 1 point. Finish 1st in the regular season? You get 15 playoff points. Very simple.
 
dpkimmel2001: I wasn't sure what this all might mean when it was announced. initial reaction was here we go again. another convoluted adaptation to an already ridiculous chase format that determines a "novelty" champion.

decided to wait and see how it played out.

looks like i'm not the only one.

congrats to truex and team. nascar has always been about playing the "system", as designed. (well done Jimmie and Chad!)

maybe time to lay off a few engineers and hire a couple of mathematicians?
 
StandOnIt said:
I don't have a clue about the way Nascar will use those playoff points. If they use those like they award points in racing, Truex has almost a complete race worth of points.
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Which will amount to absolutely nothing if he has a bad pit stop at Homestead
 
Replace Truex is schooling these guys...with any driver that happened to be hot in that particular year.

Next year, it will be Kyle Busch who's hot and wins most of them. Then the next it will be Jimmie, then Harvick, etc.

Truex is merely the vessel of circumstance.
 
Reck said:
Replace Truex is schooling these guys...with any driver that happened to be hot in that particular year.

Next year, it will be Kyle Busch who's hot and wins most of them. Then the next it will be Jimmie, then Harvick, etc.

Truex is merely the vessel of circumstance.
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Yep. Truex and the #78 are just this year's dominant car thus far. A couple years ago it would have been Harvick "schooling" everyone, as if he had a unique understanding that one would prefer to lead a huge number of laps and run up front all the time. Who could have figured that out?
 
darlingtonfan said:
I question how many NASCAR fans realize this and what their reaction will be.This might end up being a one year experiment with stage points.Truex is in a great spot.
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I caught on to the possibility after about Atlanta. If the top 2 or 3 going into Homestead is clinched after Richmond, you know it's back to the drawing board.


One thing to keep in mind, you can still accrue big playoff points in the playoffs(the format doesn't suck, but it sucks to say).
 
Reck said:
Replace Truex is schooling these guys...with any driver that happened to be hot in that particular year.

Next year, it will be Kyle Busch who's hot and wins most of them. Then the next it will be Jimmie, then Harvick, etc.

Truex is merely the vessel of circumstance.
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It's gonna be Kyle Larson, then Ryan Blaney, and then Chase Elliott. Rinse and Repeat for the next 20 years. :D
 
Left out Byron who is better than all of them. Bowman who is going to win his share. Young Truex might get into cup if he can keep a ride under him, impressive what he is doing this year with less in the trucks. Briscoe, Bell are also is looking good in the future.
 
Truex's car is ridiculously fast this year. If he was able to close these races, we'd be comparing Truex's season to Jeff Gordon's 1998 season where Gordon had to ****** win 13 ****** races because of ****** course Mark Martin ****** had to finish ****** second in points (but I ain't mad). In all seriousness though, Truex should have 10 wins already. If he was closing the deal and winning when he dominates, he'd probably end this season with 20 wins.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Truex's car is ridiculously fast this year. If he was able to close these races, we'd be comparing Truex's season to Jeff Gordon's 1998 season where Gordon had to ******* win 13 ******* races because of ******* course Mark Martin ******* had to finish ******* second in points (but I ain't mad). In all seriousness though, Truex should have 10 wins already. If he was closing the deal and winning when he dominates, he'd probably end this season with 20 wins.
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In some ways this is true, but there is no comparing the current state of frequent multiple double file restarts and short runs to finish races to prior eras when the best car of the day won the vast majority of the time. It's simply more left to chance who "closes" now.
 
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