UH OH...Call to suspend Kyle????

What do you want NASCAR to mean to folks? Racing or fighting?
I would hope racing. Otherwise just go straight to boxing or MMA etc., maybe ice hockey...
Don't think I'd like NASCAR to get a thug reputation like ice hockey.
The joke "went to the fights and a hockey game broke out" is painful to true hockey fans. Hate to see it apply to racing too.
'Course, fighting works for Bowman-Gray Stadium... although true race fans don't respect Bowman-Gray.
Also realize that the young drivers in the lower ranks emulate what they see happening in NASCAR, so local racing could get ugly and disgusting...

I'd rather promote the positive aspects of racing. That will revive NASCAR more and faster than some cheap thuggery thrills.
 
Simple Fan said:
Really? They have hit all time lows in the last couple of years a time or two. NASCAR and Wrestling do share some similarities, both were huge in the 90s but have taken a hit recently. Both could be attributed to stars retiring or changes that have been made to the product. I don't think NASCAR needs to be like WWE nor do I think this incident was WWE like, this was real emotion created from intense racing not two guys in on the act. It does good for the sport though in the sense that it shows how passionate these drivers are about what they do.
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To be fair, Monday night (when RAW comes on) is a blockbuster night for TV in general right now.

Monday Night Football (in the fall), The Voice (NBC), American Ninja Warrior (NBC), The Bachelor (ABC), Gotham (FOX), 24 (FOX) and Supergirl (CW) all come on Monday night. Those are all flagship shows on their respective networks.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Jamie McMurray & Danica?
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Yeah….

McMurray could grab a stool in one hand ‘n a strugglin’ Patrick in the other. Pull both out onto the grass in a tri-oval during one of the AWESOME segment breaks. Just after he has a seat ‘n bends her over his knee, Stenhouse, Junior comes out ‘n smacks ‘im over the head from behind with a steel, foldin’ chair.

‘N it’ll be real. Not the rasslin’ stuff. Everything in NASCAR is real ‘n gimmick free.
 
gone said:
What do you want NASCAR to mean to folks? Racing or fighting?
I would hope racing. Otherwise just go straight to boxing or MMA etc., maybe ice hockey...
Don't think I'd like NASCAR to get a thug reputation like ice hockey.
The joke "went to the fights and a hockey game broke out" is painful to true hockey fans. Hate to see it apply to racing too.
'Course, fighting works for Bowman-Gray Stadium... although true race fans don't respect Bowman-Gray.
Also realize that the young drivers in the lower ranks emulate what they see happening in NASCAR, so local racing could get ugly and disgusting...

I'd rather promote the positive aspects of racing. That will revive NASCAR more and faster than some cheap thuggery thrills.
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True. Although, sometimes you have to show and express some emotion when you feel you have been wronged.

Fighting in hockey is way down from when I used to attend NHL games and people would routinely yell "SEND IN THE GOONS" when your team was down by multiple goals in the third period. Thanks for bringing back some "interesting" memories:

 
Kyle should be suspended. Ever since Nascar suspended Spencer for punching Elder Shrub I've felt they should consistently follow that precedent. Nascar is far too inconsistent with rules and punishments and that hurts their image among sports fans.
 
CamelPowered said:
Kyle should be suspended. Ever since Nascar suspended Spencer for punching Elder Shrub I've felt they should consistently follow that precedent. Nascar is far too inconsistent with rules and punishments and that hurts their image among sports fans.
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The precedent changed in 2010. NASCAR hasn't suspended anyone for fighting since then. The only suspension I remember in this era is Kyle Busch for wrecking Hornaday and he needed to be suspended then, bad... he was a loose cannon.
 
Probation, if that. If they do place him on probation, if I were a competitor, I'd aggravate Kyle every step of the way. Crowd him, cut him off on pit road, block him. Anything I could do to make him lose his cool. Doesn't take much.
 
Wow, I don't even know where to start. He makes two comments in the beginning that makes little sense to me.
He states:

"The sport can’t have its stars brawling like little kids in a daycare"
and
"NASCAR CEO Brian France had the perfect opportunity to nip the childish, even dangerous, behavior in the bud"

Since when is brawling little kids play? Lost any respect from me at that point.

I assume this author grew up with a room full of participation trophies and never had to learn how to deal with someone bullying you I could go on, but I just better stop now.
 
I've got no problem with drivers "expressing some emotion". And I'd rather they do it off the track and out of their cars.
But my concern is that the mainstream media latches onto racers fighting rather than racing. It doesn't legitimize the sport - it tarnishes it.
But NASCAR is the entity that needs to fix its product. Then the media will hopefully latch onto better things.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The precedent changed in 2010. NASCAR hasn't suspended anyone for fighting since then. The only suspension I remember in this era is Kyle Busch for wrecking Hornaday and he needed to be suspended then, bad... he was a loose cannon.
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Yes they have. Just not "name" people. Kez/Gordon incident springs to mind as a good example.

"We reviewed the content that was available to us of the post-race incident along pit road, and identified several crew members who crossed the line with their actions, specifically punching others." - Robin Pemberton: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ski-jeff-gordon-kevin-harvick-fight/18471839/
 
Suspend him? aint gonna happen.. Probation? Prolly---Next weeks sponsor? Band-Aid? Life-Alert? ( help, I've fallen and I cant get up)
 
CamelPowered said:
Kyle should be suspended. Ever since Nascar suspended Spencer for punching Elder Shrub I've felt they should consistently follow that precedent. Nascar is far too inconsistent with rules and punishments and that hurts their image among sports fans.
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That's a tough one for me because I have long thought that them being inconsistent with their rules enforcement is among their biggest credibility issues. With that being said, just because you were wrong once, doesn't mean you should be wrong again just for the sake of consistency.

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gone said:
I've got no problem with drivers "expressing some emotion". And I'd rather they do it off the track and out of their cars.
But my concern is that the mainstream media latches onto racers fighting rather than racing. It doesn't legitimize the sport - it tarnishes it.
But NASCAR is the entity that needs to fix its product. Then the media will hopefully latch onto better things.
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Kyle was a man on a mission to get to Joey after the race. Unfortunately, for him, Joey's jackman, gasman, tire carriers and tire changers were there to "change his mind." :D
 
Benevolent One said:
That's a tough one for me because I have long thought that them being inconsistent with their rules enforcement is among their biggest credibility issues. With that being said, just because you were wrong once, doesn't mean you should be wrong again just for the sake of consistency.

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Is it wrong though? Nascar clearly wants to chase the stick and ball sports crowd. You start a fight in the NFL, MLB, NBA you will be ejected and suspended, no matter how big a name you are.
 
DanicaFreak said:
This isn't WWE: NASCAR must suspend Kyle Busch now
NASCAR WALKING A FINE LINE BETWEEN RACING AND PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING


Read more: http://autoweek.com/article/monster...car-must-suspend-kyle-busch-now#ixzz4bJsggdw9
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lol, drivers "fighting" is just for show. None of today's crop know how to fight. They go in knowing that their crews will save them. The crewman who bloodied Kyle probably apologized profusely to him minutes after the cameras were gone. And all of them probably got a stern finger wag, and then a wink, from NASCAR.

The real animosities happen later, outside the track and away from cameras. That's where real "understandings" are developed.
 
DanicaFreak said:
Chances are good the camera will be on the 22 and 18 to all day at PHX and the drama will be in Joys voice whenever the cars pass each other....
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That doesn't mean the drivers are in on it.

Its the same manipulation we see on the news, facebook, nba..etc. It's the way the world is. Fan perspective is whats the primary target of manipulation is. Drivers still are racing
 
"France and NASCAR are hypocrites. The sport spends millions making the sport safer, from safer cars to softer walls to better equipment. Yet no one wants to react when a driver or crew coldcocks a rival after a race. Drivers now need to watch their backs when getting out of their cars after a race"

What bothers me about the after race melees isn't so much the confrontations even though I think they are about as stupid as things get. My main concern is that what you are telling the drivers is that if they think they have been wronged it is perfectly fine to seek out the party you are mad at and attempt to thump them. How can Nascar handle a similar situation next week where a driver gets his teeth knocked out any differently than this week?

I agree that usually no publicity is bad publicity and I think it is true for Nascar in this case but does anyone really believe that non fans or casual fans are going to tune in and become longterm fans because of this? What was true in 1979 is not applicable today.
 
Bowtie3 said:
Probation, if that. If they do place him on probation, if I were a competitor, I'd aggravate Kyle every step of the way. Crowd him, cut him off on pit road, block him. Anything I could do to make him lose his cool. Doesn't take much.
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I don't think probation is really strong enough so I would recommend double secret probation.

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dave corthell said:
Wow, I don't even know where to start. He makes two comments in the beginning that makes little sense to me.
He states:

"The sport can’t have its stars brawling like little kids in a daycare"
and
"NASCAR CEO Brian France had the perfect opportunity to nip the childish, even dangerous, behavior in the bud"

Since when is brawling little kids play? Lost any respect from me at that point.

I assume this author grew up with a room full of participation trophies and never had to learn how to deal with someone bullying you I could go on, but I just better stop now.
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My guess is the author just took an opposing view to increase his or her clicks. Do you think it is OK every time a driver thinks he has been screwed over on track to try and fight the guy he is mad at after the race?
 
If Nascar really wanted this stuff to end, they would suspend him. But they do not, and I wouldn't either. People tune in for that stuff.

What did Nascar do that time Marcos took a poke at Casey Mears? That one connected for sure and I thought there was some repercussions after it? A fine and points?
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Suspending him would be a huge overreaction which coincidentally describes racing-forums.com's reaction to this story. Oh how I wonder what would have become NASCAR should the internet have been around back in the day.
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I wouldn't suspend Kyle or anyone for the little line dance but I would make it clear that if something like this happened again the driver would be parked for a minimum of 1 race. If Nascar wants to keep this sort of thing going I could compromise but only if they allowed drivers to exit their cars and toss their helmets at the driver who they were mad at. That was just good clean fun.
 
http://autoweek.com/article/monster...car-must-suspend-kyle-busch-now#ixzz4bKJP394j
"The sport can’t have its stars brawling like little kids in a daycare. It doesn’t happen in other major professional sports ..."
MY @$$.
Baseball tosses more brawls in a season than NASCAR does, and SportsCenter makes sure they lead the coverage too. You can see on-field punches being thrown after downs in any number of NFL playoff games, esp. late when one team is way down.

Preach a penalty or don't, but don't tell me it doesn't happen in other sports. That's toro caca.
 
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Do you think it is OK every time a driver thinks he has been screwed over on track to try and fight the guy he is mad at after the race?
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No.

She/he should wait until their antagonist of choice is engaged with another aggrieved driver. Then, with stealth, approach from the rear 'n shove her/him into her/his latest rival.

The honorable way.
 
Ford 222 said:
If Nascar really wanted this stuff to end, they would suspend him. But they do not, and I wouldn't either. People tune in for that stuff.

What did Nascar do that time Marcos took a poke at Casey Mears? That one connected for sure and I thought there was some repercussions after it? A fine and points?
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It is sad to say but I think you are right about many current fans tuning in to see incidents like last Sunday's. I am definitely out of touch with a lot of the Nascar fans as I tune in to see a good race in as short a time span as possible and that makes me happy. I thought Atlanta was great and Vegas pretty good.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
http://autoweek.com/article/monster...car-must-suspend-kyle-busch-now#ixzz4bKJP394j
"The sport can’t have its stars brawling like little kids in a daycare. It doesn’t happen in other major professional sports ..."
MY @$$.
Baseball tosses more brawls in a season than NASCAR does, and SportsCenter makes sure they lead the coverage too.
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I don't watch baseball any longer but can remember guys like Carlton Fisk charging the mound. Nothing beat a donnybrook that involved Billy Martin though.
 
R Clarence said:
No.

She/he should wait until their antagonist of choice is engaged with another aggrieved driver. Then, with stealth, approach from the rear 'n shove her/him into her/his latest rival.

The honorable way.
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I love it when those 5 foot 120 pounders start shoving each other. It starts off rather ragged but as it progresses it can be as beautiful as a waltz.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
It is sad to say but I think you are right about many current fans tuning in to see incidents like last Sunday's. I am definitely out of touch with a lot of the Nascar fans as I tune in to see a good race in as short a time span as possible and that makes me happy. I thought Atlanta was great and Vegas pretty good.
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We all do. Not entirely, like waiting with baited breath for a massive wreck with injuries but when something happens we don't run from the room or turn away. Quite the contrary, if we are away and something happens we go running INTO the room so we don't miss it. Or we replay it a few times so we see every piece of wreckage and dissect it to blame who we want...lol
 
Yet another young author who has been shunned along the way
thinking this is a good opportunity to grind his ax. Most likely a Nascar hater
who has rarely been to a feisty local short track race in his life. He should get back
to reporting on the latest Toyota Camry road test.
 
R Clarence said:
No.

She/he should wait until their antagonist of choice is engaged with another aggrieved driver. Then, with stealth, approach from the rear 'n shove her/him into her/his latest rival.

The honorable way.
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I like it.
 
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