dpkimmel2001
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At the very least that would have given the impression that they were trying to race.
Unofficial "Classic" Driver Points
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R Clarence
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Heh, heh, heh.....
Have fun at 'tinsville, pal.
Have fun at 'tinsville, pal.
donthaveanickname
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Update after Martinsville:
Unofficial Top25 in 2016 Sprint Cup Driver Points Standings after 33 of 36 races:
1) #4-Kevin Harvick (C#6), 1048
2) #2-Brad Keselowski (EC12), 1029, -19
3) #22-Joey Logano (C#5), 1010, -38
4) #18-Kyle Busch (C#4), 993, -55
5) #11-Denny Hamlin (C#2), 984, -64
6) #41-Kurt Busch (C#7), 970, -78
7) #78-Martin Truex Jr. (EC12), 946, -102
8) #19-Carl Edwards (C#8), 931, -117
9) #48-Jimmie Johnson (C#1), 929, -119
10) #20-Matt Kenseth (C#3), 908, -140
11) #24-Chase Elliott (EC12), 866, -182
12) #3-Austin Dillon (EC12), 866, -182
13) #5-Kasey Kahne, 833, -215
14) #42-Kyle Larson (EC16), 826, -222
15) #31-Ryan Newman, 819, -229
16) #1-Jamie McMurray (EC16), 819, - 229
17) #47-AJ Allmendinger, 749, -299
18) #21-Ryan Blaney, 735, -313
19) #17-Ricky Stenhouse Jr., 718, -330
20) #6-Trevor Bayne, 717, -331
21) #10-Danica Patrick, 638, -410
22) #16-Greg Biffle, 619, -429
23) #27-Paul Menard, 607, -441
24) #43-Aric Almirola, 599, -449
25) #14-Tony Stewart (EC16), 587, -461
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28)#34-Chris Buescher (EC16), 495, -553
(C#=still in the Chase and Chase position)
(EC12=eliminated from the Chase after the Round of 12)
(EC16=eliminated from the Chase after the Round of 16)
Keselowski closing in on Harvick again.
Unofficial Top25 in 2016 Sprint Cup Driver Points Standings after 33 of 36 races:
1) #4-Kevin Harvick (C#6), 1048
2) #2-Brad Keselowski (EC12), 1029, -19
3) #22-Joey Logano (C#5), 1010, -38
4) #18-Kyle Busch (C#4), 993, -55
5) #11-Denny Hamlin (C#2), 984, -64
6) #41-Kurt Busch (C#7), 970, -78
7) #78-Martin Truex Jr. (EC12), 946, -102
8) #19-Carl Edwards (C#8), 931, -117
9) #48-Jimmie Johnson (C#1), 929, -119
10) #20-Matt Kenseth (C#3), 908, -140
11) #24-Chase Elliott (EC12), 866, -182
12) #3-Austin Dillon (EC12), 866, -182
13) #5-Kasey Kahne, 833, -215
14) #42-Kyle Larson (EC16), 826, -222
15) #31-Ryan Newman, 819, -229
16) #1-Jamie McMurray (EC16), 819, - 229
17) #47-AJ Allmendinger, 749, -299
18) #21-Ryan Blaney, 735, -313
19) #17-Ricky Stenhouse Jr., 718, -330
20) #6-Trevor Bayne, 717, -331
21) #10-Danica Patrick, 638, -410
22) #16-Greg Biffle, 619, -429
23) #27-Paul Menard, 607, -441
24) #43-Aric Almirola, 599, -449
25) #14-Tony Stewart (EC16), 587, -461
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28)#34-Chris Buescher (EC16), 495, -553
(C#=still in the Chase and Chase position)
(EC12=eliminated from the Chase after the Round of 12)
(EC16=eliminated from the Chase after the Round of 16)
Keselowski closing in on Harvick again.
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Harvick deserved the title last year, and he'll probably get boned out of it this year too with this goofy chase business.
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19 points between first and second? Not close enough for Brian, he will throw a caution to bring them closer.
Looks like them Ford drivers at JGR aren't quite as good as those that always drive Toys.
Looks like them Ford drivers at JGR aren't quite as good as those that always drive Toys.
dpkimmel2001
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I just have to keep reminding myself that they would have drove differently.
donthaveanickname
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Update after Texas:
Unofficial Top25 in Sprint Cup Driver Points Standings after 34 of 36 races
1) #4-Kevin Harvick (C7), 1083
2) #2-Brad Keselowski (EC12), 1056, -27
3) #22-Joey Logano (C3), 1051, -32
4) #18-Kyle Busch (C4), 1030, -53
5) #11-Denny Hamlin (C6), 1017, -66
6) #41-Kurt Busch (C8), 991, -92
7) #78-Martin Truex Jr. (EC12), 985, -98
8) #19-Carl Edwards (C2), 975, -108
9) #48-Jimmie Johnson (C1), 959, -124
10) #20-Matt Kenseth (C5), 942, -141
11) #24-Chase Elliott (EC12), 904, -179
12) #3-Austin Dillon (EC12), 871, -212
13) #5-Kasey Kahne, 866, -217
14) #42-Kyle Larson (EC16), 852, -231
15) #31-Ryan Newman, 850, -233
16) #1-Jamie McMurray (EC16), 841, - 242
17) #47-AJ Allmendinger, 773, -310
18) #21-Ryan Blaney, 764, -319
19) #17-Ricky Stenhouse Jr., 743, -340
20) #6-Trevor Bayne, 728, -355
21) #10-Danica Patrick, 655, -428
22) #16-Greg Biffle, 642, -441
23) #27-Paul Menard, 620, -463
24) #43-Aric Almirola, 618, -465
25) #14-Tony Stewart (EC16), 597, -486
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27)#34-Chris Buescher (EC16), 515, -568
(C#=still in the Chase and Chase position)
(EC12=eliminated from the Chase after the Round of 12)
(EC16=eliminated from the Chase after the Round of 16)
No position changes in the Top25, 5 drivers would still have a chance to win.
Unofficial Top25 in Sprint Cup Driver Points Standings after 34 of 36 races
1) #4-Kevin Harvick (C7), 1083
2) #2-Brad Keselowski (EC12), 1056, -27
3) #22-Joey Logano (C3), 1051, -32
4) #18-Kyle Busch (C4), 1030, -53
5) #11-Denny Hamlin (C6), 1017, -66
6) #41-Kurt Busch (C8), 991, -92
7) #78-Martin Truex Jr. (EC12), 985, -98
8) #19-Carl Edwards (C2), 975, -108
9) #48-Jimmie Johnson (C1), 959, -124
10) #20-Matt Kenseth (C5), 942, -141
11) #24-Chase Elliott (EC12), 904, -179
12) #3-Austin Dillon (EC12), 871, -212
13) #5-Kasey Kahne, 866, -217
14) #42-Kyle Larson (EC16), 852, -231
15) #31-Ryan Newman, 850, -233
16) #1-Jamie McMurray (EC16), 841, - 242
17) #47-AJ Allmendinger, 773, -310
18) #21-Ryan Blaney, 764, -319
19) #17-Ricky Stenhouse Jr., 743, -340
20) #6-Trevor Bayne, 728, -355
21) #10-Danica Patrick, 655, -428
22) #16-Greg Biffle, 642, -441
23) #27-Paul Menard, 620, -463
24) #43-Aric Almirola, 618, -465
25) #14-Tony Stewart (EC16), 597, -486
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27)#34-Chris Buescher (EC16), 515, -568
(C#=still in the Chase and Chase position)
(EC12=eliminated from the Chase after the Round of 12)
(EC16=eliminated from the Chase after the Round of 16)
No position changes in the Top25, 5 drivers would still have a chance to win.
Blaze
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5 drivers would have a chance but let's be real here. If this was the real points it be a 3 man show right now.
ToyYoda
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At least the 8th and 9th place drivers are locked in!
dpkimmel2001
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That would be fine by me. It would at least be the three that earned their positions and not the convoluted way of determining today's champion of the sport.
The three best drivers this season may be on the outside looking in after this weekend. I don't know how that can be looked at as anything but a disservice to this sport.
ted@economy
in the interest of equal time
The good news is ...the 25th and 27th place drivers are out of the hunt. Thank you racing gods .
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This statement assumes that the three best drivers under the old point system would still be the three best drivers if the Championship were actually decided by the old points system. Maybe they would be, maybe they wouldn't be, but I can absolutely tell you that the current format changes the way teams and drivers approach race weekends and in race conditions. It's not a disservice to the sport because looking at the old system is a moot exercise. So while it's fun to take a peek into the old points system and view the standings, it's definitely not an indicator of who's truly the best team under those circumstances, since no one is navigating the season under those circumstances.
dpkimmel2001
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I'm under no illusion that those are exactly how the points would have played out if they were still running under that system. I can only venture to guess that they would have been similar. In any event the teams that had secured the most points over the entirety of the season would be competing for the championship. That is something that can't be denied. Under this current format they can be all but eliminated from championship contention far before the end of the season. I think that there is something wrong with that method of determining a champion. My point of view comes from someone that has been a long time fan of this sport. One that spans far more pre-Chase years than post. While I have to accept that the Chase is here to stay, I sure don't have to like it.
Michfan
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Certainly things could be vastly different under another system. You've heard guys say they spend months just trying stuff out after getting an early season win. I strongly strongly doubt they'd do that under the old format
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They would if the only change made would be a 50 point bonus for your first win and another bonus for each win after that.
Zerkfitting
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I've noticed that under the current system the regular season racing is different where teams take bigger risks to win a race, in general I think the racing is a little more exciting. In the Chase portion we are seeing drivers run more conservatively because they are points racing which is how they raced the whole season under the old classic system.
donthaveanickname
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Update after Phoenix:
Unofficial Top25 in Sprint Cup Driver Points Standings after 35 of 36 races
1) #4-Kevin Harvick (EC8), 1120
2) #22-Joey Logano (F4), 1095, -25
3) #2-Brad Keselowski (EC12), 1083, -37
4) #18-Kyle Busch (F4), 1069, -51
5) #11-Denny Hamlin (EC8), 1052, -68
6) #41-Kurt Busch (EC8), 1027, -93
7) #19-Carl Edwards (F4), 997, -123
8) #78-Martin Truex Jr. (EC12), 986, -134
9) #48-Jimmie Johnson (F4), 963, -157
10) #20-Matt Kenseth (EC8), 963, -157
11) #24-Chase Elliott (EC12), 936, -184
12) #5-Kasey Kahne, 894, -226
13) #42-Kyle Larson (EC16), 890, -230
14) #31-Ryan Newman, 879, -241
15) #3-Austin Dillon (EC12), 873, -247
16) #1-Jamie McMurray (EC16), 871, - 249
17) #47-AJ Allmendinger, 797, -323
18) #21-Ryan Blaney, 797, -323
19) #17-Ricky Stenhouse Jr., 761, -359
20) #6-Trevor Bayne, 741, -379
21) #16-Greg Biffle, 667, -453
22) #10-Danica Patrick, 667, -453
23) #27-Paul Menard, 651, -469
24) #43-Aric Almirola, 637, -483
25) #14-Tony Stewart (EC16), 623, -497
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28)#34-Chris Buescher (EC16), 524, -596
(F4=will be racing for the Championship at Homestead)
(EC8=eliminated from the Chase after the Round of 8)
(EC12=eliminated from the Chase after the Round of 12)
(EC16=eliminated from the Chase after the Round of 16)
Logano is not only racing for the Championship at Homestead, he also has still got a little chance to top this unofficial raking.
Unofficial Top25 in Sprint Cup Driver Points Standings after 35 of 36 races
1) #4-Kevin Harvick (EC8), 1120
2) #22-Joey Logano (F4), 1095, -25
3) #2-Brad Keselowski (EC12), 1083, -37
4) #18-Kyle Busch (F4), 1069, -51
5) #11-Denny Hamlin (EC8), 1052, -68
6) #41-Kurt Busch (EC8), 1027, -93
7) #19-Carl Edwards (F4), 997, -123
8) #78-Martin Truex Jr. (EC12), 986, -134
9) #48-Jimmie Johnson (F4), 963, -157
10) #20-Matt Kenseth (EC8), 963, -157
11) #24-Chase Elliott (EC12), 936, -184
12) #5-Kasey Kahne, 894, -226
13) #42-Kyle Larson (EC16), 890, -230
14) #31-Ryan Newman, 879, -241
15) #3-Austin Dillon (EC12), 873, -247
16) #1-Jamie McMurray (EC16), 871, - 249
17) #47-AJ Allmendinger, 797, -323
18) #21-Ryan Blaney, 797, -323
19) #17-Ricky Stenhouse Jr., 761, -359
20) #6-Trevor Bayne, 741, -379
21) #16-Greg Biffle, 667, -453
22) #10-Danica Patrick, 667, -453
23) #27-Paul Menard, 651, -469
24) #43-Aric Almirola, 637, -483
25) #14-Tony Stewart (EC16), 623, -497
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28)#34-Chris Buescher (EC16), 524, -596
(F4=will be racing for the Championship at Homestead)
(EC8=eliminated from the Chase after the Round of 8)
(EC12=eliminated from the Chase after the Round of 12)
(EC16=eliminated from the Chase after the Round of 16)
Logano is not only racing for the Championship at Homestead, he also has still got a little chance to top this unofficial raking.
oldschoolnascardude1
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Yet, Harvick has a very good chance to not even finish in the top 10 overall standings this year, while leading the series with top 10's and a shot to tie for top 5's. Seems legit.
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Based upon the "classic" standings, I'll be pulling for Logano this weekend even though I am not a fan of him at all. I would rather whoever wins the championship do so by performing consistently well throughout the entire season. He has earned it.
Blaze
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So of the top 4 in these points, only two people are in the Chase Final 4....well, alright then.
Zerkfitting
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Based upon the "classic" standings, Harvick would pretty much just have to show up.
dpkimmel2001
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Yep, a right he would have earned. Of course, there would always be the possibility of a blown engine or a misplaced call of 'Clear' over the radio. It's not like we don't see those things happen.
Blaze
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And nothing is wrong with that. Surely since something could also happen that would cause him to lose it under this system. But now he has no chance of winning it. I see a problem with that.
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Using the "classic" points system, would Harvick have been the champion in 2014?
Nope. He got that one in the current format. It's a wash.
Nope. He got that one in the current format. It's a wash.
Under the classic points format the past champs would be:
2016: Harvick?
2015: Harvick
2014: Gordon
2013: Johnson
2012: Keselowski
2011: Edwards
2010: Harvick
2009: Johnson
2008: Johnson
That was fun, but meaningless.
2016: Harvick?
2015: Harvick
2014: Gordon
2013: Johnson
2012: Keselowski
2011: Edwards
2010: Harvick
2009: Johnson
2008: Johnson
That was fun, but meaningless.
Michfan
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Damn NASCAR for changing the points system halfway through the year. All of these guys thought they were racing under the classic system all year and now it gets switched???!!!!!
Oh wait, that's not true? Oh, they knew this format was in place all year? Oh, many guys admitted to racing differently and trying out set ups because they weren't point racing?
Geeze, some people love to complain...
Oh wait, that's not true? Oh, they knew this format was in place all year? Oh, many guys admitted to racing differently and trying out set ups because they weren't point racing?
Geeze, some people love to complain...
Michfan
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Pretty sure it would be Edwards in 08, but yes meaningless.
dpkimmel2001
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We once crowned the best driver of the season. While those days are long gone, I still like to see what may have played out. While it's meaningless to some, it is of interest to others.
ToyYoda
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Yet Harvick could end up finishing 12th in points this year. Seems legit.
You are correct - my bad!
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Yessir.
Blaze
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I mean, I agree as I always point this out myself. Surely since this new playoff format has came into play I'm way more sure people changed the way they handle it and they approach it. But it still shows they are chances that we could go into the last race with more than one person having a chance to win it. I dislike the chase, some people for some reason like it. I don't get it but oh well.
Zerkfitting
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I like the idea of a playoff for the cup. But I'd like to see those who fall out of the playoffs loose the chase points and go back to the season points - give those out of the playoffs a chance to go to the banquet during the last ten races (Larson could have made it last year). For those outside the playoffs the season is still 36 races.
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That has been my point all along. 26 races in your guaranteed 16th place money. Buescher won one race and briefly made top 30 in points. For that he gets 16th place money??????????
SlicedBread22
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I could agree with all this.. Except that every driver starts the season with 0 points and all have the same rules. I see nothing wrong with having to step it up a notch (or 6 or 7) when its time.. And those who can do just that deserve nothing less than to be crowned the champion in that season.
See I actually see it as a bad thing.. Running points all season.. Why should a driver who racked up points all summer be able to finish outside the top 20 in the final races and still be crowned a champion? Hell even in JJs run there were times all he had to do was finish 12th or 15th or whatever... Pfff.. Please.. Just because we open our season with the most excitement and the biggest race doesnt mean the end of the season should bore the pants off anyone whos driver isnt about to win it all.
See I actually see it as a bad thing.. Running points all season.. Why should a driver who racked up points all summer be able to finish outside the top 20 in the final races and still be crowned a champion? Hell even in JJs run there were times all he had to do was finish 12th or 15th or whatever... Pfff.. Please.. Just because we open our season with the most excitement and the biggest race doesnt mean the end of the season should bore the pants off anyone whos driver isnt about to win it all.
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Daytona is only exciting because we have been deprived of racing for a few months.
Give a hungry man wieners and beans and he will describe it as the best meal ever.
dpkimmel2001
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And then there are those of us that simply like restrictor plate racing @ Daytona and Talladega.Daytona is only exciting because we have been deprived of racing for a few months.
Give a hungry man wieners and beans and he will describe it as the best meal ever.
SlicedBread22
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My point is that when we open the season there its the most exciting time of the year.. or it was anyway.. now the end of the year is a hell of a lot more intense than the beginning.. as it should be. Like I said I never liked seeing someone go into the last few races with a huge cushion. It's boring. I get why people like it the old way but what I don't get is why they don't like it this way.Daytona is only exciting because we have been deprived of racing for a few months.
Give a hungry man wieners and beans and he will describe it as the best meal ever.
dpkimmel2001
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No denying that an elimination format is exciting. It's that way by design. Is it the ideal way to crown a NASCAR champion? That's questionable/debatable.
Personally I'm a fan of crowning the overall season's best driver as opposed to the current format.
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I agree 100%. It's just that one race takes all sticks in my craw. I would like to see "total points over 3 races" crown the champion. I'll bet if Newman had won the first year they would have made the "Kenseth Change" again to say you must win in the final 10 races.