Wal-Mart and Handguns

Originally posted by smack500
gangs would not do drive by stoneings.

and like as I said before alot of times its in the heat of the moment if they didn't have a gun they wouldnt have killed anyone.
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Sorry smack, I live in the drive by capital of the world. Drive by shootings are NOT heat of moment shootings. They are thought out in advance by gang members.......they will get guns even if they are outlawed.

Your idea of all guns in the world being destroyed is some kind of idealistic pipe dream..........not real at all. Not a valid reason to even put it forward as a possibility......that will never happen.
 
Originally posted by DE Wrangler 2
Sorry smack, I live in the drive by capital of the world.  Drive by shootings are NOT heat of moment shootings.  They are thought out in advance by gang members
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Some how I have confused you, I was talking about 2 seperate things I was saying if there were no hand guns gangs could not do drive by shootings, and on another diffrent type of murders (yes theres diffrent types) people could be arugeing, or get into a fight or someone could come home and find there spouse cheating. They are filled with rage at that moment and pull the trigger but if they didn't have the gun they wouldn't have probally killed them. THey wish they wouldnt have after its over but its to late at that time.
 
I just don't see how gun control supportrs can not see the simple truth that there is no way to get rid of all the guns in the world. Would the world be a better place if there were no guns in it? Maybe, although that is very debatable. Is there any possible way to eliminate every single gun in the world? No. If it were completely possible to guarantee me that nobody else has a gun, I might not feel so strongly about my need to own one. But, I would never feel less strongly about my RIGHT to own one. Gun Control is the most useless cause I can think of off of the top of my head.
 
NO theres no way to get rid of all the guns in the world anytime soon , but if every country stuck together and destroyed every gun/s they got from a criminal was destroyed and no guns were sold on the legal market it would be harder for criminals to get and the more expensive guns would be on the illegal market. Less guns less murders

Again though I said it wont work unless all countrys do this and stick with it, that isnt happening and it probally isnt gonna happen everyone can pretty much agree with that. So the debate of would it be better or worse is pretty much pointless.
 
Originally posted by mngopherguy
what you lost me now.  So if some guy shoots at me, the lord will stop the bullet? Or if I die I'm not going to heaven? Sigh why to republicans always bring religion into disagreements?  It so self righetous.
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Self-Righteousness is now defined by stating your feelings?! Dude, you need to get a grip. A little more righteousness of any kind would be a breath of fresh air in America. It is now considered perfectly acceptable to try to shove homosexuality or any other form of immorality down our throats , but as soon as someone mentions God or anything religious at all, they are ridiculed for it. That is just plain wrong.
 
I wasn't confused at all smack..........I said your idea about getting rid of all guns is foolish. Foolish because it will never happen. So you ban guns..........law abiding citizens are disarmed. Criminals are not........the proportion of guns in the wrong hands increases. Gun related murders increase......the general population is not armed anymore so absolutely no chance of resistance. The world would be taken over by criminals or we would be under martial law..........neither prospect in good.

And your "heat of the moment" murders falls apart.......you want to ban knives too? Put us back to eating with our hands?
 
oh yea lets make it easier for everyone ( legally,illegally) to get guns the crimes will drop because everyone will have a gun to defend themselfs with lol. Again I say I guess it was just a coincidence that murders rised when guns started becomeing easier to get.
 
Make punishments harsher, then maybe that will make them think twice about pulling the trigger.
 
Has it been tried in the United States to really make a big impact?
 
I think you are mistaken smack............guns have become harder to get. When I was your age (well a year older since you're 17) I could go to any sporting goods store and slap the proper amount of money on the counter show an ID to prove I was 18 and walk out with a pistol of my choice and ammunition to go with it. You can't do that anymore. You really need to do a little more research before you go about quoting stuff........visit the NRA site and get the other side once in a while. Your 'facts' are always one sided.......you go out search for only stuff to bolster your position and never bother with any thing that may cause you to rethink. That's probably why you have not convinced anyone here that you are speaking knowledgably on the subject.

I also get a hint of a snicker in posts.......why is that?
 
guns are harder to get now also gun related murders have droped slowly over the years. I was talking about look through history and when guns first started becomeing easier to get murders were riseing.

I ment 1976 mustang sorry about that thats when they reinstated the death penalty.

DE I am well aware there are good things about citizens haveing legal guns. There are a great number of crimes that have been stoped by guns.
 
NRA lol I am aware of there stats too edited figures, THere are alot of crimes stoped by citizens with legal guns but compared to fbi and other crime related sites the nras numbers are exaggerated.
 
And you think your gun control sites don't exagerate their numbers?
 
Agreed 66 everyone has pretty much expressed all there opinions if we keep on well end up repeating ourselvs. Sorry If I offended anyone and no hard feelings.
 
oh 66 heres one more bit of info for you

In 1972, a U.S. Supreme Court ruling brought the nation's executions to a halt. In its Furman v. Georgia decision, the Court found that state eath penalty statutes were totally lacking standards and therefore gave too much discretion to individual judges and to juries. One Justice described the manner in which many states were handing out the death sentence as "wanton" and "freakish." The states responded by enacting new statutes that attempted to address the Court's criticisms. In 1976, in Gregg v. Georgia, the Court upheld the Georgia death penalty statute as constitutional and the death march resumed.

Since 1976, death penalty states have been engaged in a macabre experiment. State legislators have enacted a wide range of statutory regulations that apply to capital crimes. States have tried various methods of execution, from the firing squad to today's favored lethal injection. And, with the passage of time, the number of executions has increased exponentially, from one in 1977 to seventy-four in 1997, to six hundred and ten in 1999. The size of death row has also increased, so that today's death row population of slightly more than 3,500 is the not only the largest in U.S. history, but the largest in any country in the world.

Good debateing all and good night Im gonna hit the sack.
 
Originally posted by DE Wrangler 2
I think you are mistaken smack............guns have become harder to get.  When I was your age (well a year older since you're 17) I could go to any sporting goods store and slap the proper amount of money on the counter show an ID to prove I was 18 and walk out with a pistol of my choice and ammunition to go with it.  You can't do that anymore.  You really need to do a little more research before you go about quoting stuff........visit the NRA site and get the other side once in a while.  Your 'facts' are always one sided.......you go out search for only stuff to bolster your position and never bother with any thing that may cause you to rethink.  That's probably why you have not convinced anyone here that you are speaking knowledgably on the subject.

I also get a hint of a snicker in posts.......why is that?
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Don't if the knowledgibly part was directed my way or not. But just to clear it up abit: I don't think Smacks defense is bad at all. And I don't agree with him. But atleast he's finding some facts to back his side up. I consider that a better stance than some others who just come on rip him and leave. And no DE I'm not talking about you.
 
Originally posted by 4xchampncountin
Self-Righteousness is now defined by stating your feelings?! Dude, you need to get a grip. A little more righteousness of any kind would be a breath of fresh air in America. It is now considered perfectly acceptable to try to shove homosexuality or any other form of immorality down our throats , but as soon as someone mentions God or anything religious at all, they are ridiculed for it. That is just plain wrong.
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Sorry wasn't I stating my opinion back? Aren't you ridiculing Smack for his stance on Gun Control? Sure looks the same. And if you read my next post after that, I certainly wasn't ridiculing. People have had "religion" shoved down their throats from birth. This whole people are ridiculed for talking religion is not even true, its the people who don't buy into your religion that you have a problem with.
 
Originally posted by mngopherguy
Sorry wasn't I stating my opinion back? Aren't you ridiculing Smack for his stance on Gun Control?  Sure looks the same.  And if you read my next post after that, I certainly wasn't ridiculing. People have had "religion" shoved down their throats from birth. This whole people are ridiculed for talking religion is not even true, its the people who don't buy into your religion that you have a problem with.
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I was not ridiculing anyone for anything. Just stating fact, that the idea of completely eliminating guns is rediculous. I wish you the maturity to see the world the way it really is. Until then, I wish for you tolerance for those who are not blinded by the liberal agenda.
 
LMAO grow up. If you disagree it ridiculing. If you agree its fact. Maybe look in the miror at the maturity comment. I like the my way of the highway line of thinking. Where's my liberal stance since I agreed with most of the republicans posters points on this matter???
 
Originally posted by mngopherguy
LMAO grow up. If you disagree it ridiculing. If you agree its fact. Maybe look in the miror at the maturity comment. I like the my way of the highway line of thinking.  Where's my liberal stance since I agreed with most of the republicans posters points on this matter???
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You obviously can't hold a mature discussion on this matter, so I will bid you farewell on this subject.
 
funny.. Thats what we were all doing. Again I'm not mature because I disagree. And you can't find anything to back your staement about me having a "liberal agenda". So yeah run along if your going to accuse without any fact.
 
I never really thought I would use the ignore button, but I guess you do learn something new every day.
 
LOL. Funny. Lets recap:

1. I disagree and say I don't know why Republicans bring Religion into things. Disagree or not? fair enough.

2. net post, sorry if I stepped on your opinion, I just disagree.

3. 4x says its wrong to be ridiculed.

4. i ask how its different from him with Smack.

5. I'm told I not mature and have a liberal agenda.

6. I turn the tables back at 4x and he gets mad.

7. I ask for info on my supposed liberal agenda.

8. He comes back with I'm not mature again.

9. I tell him to look in the mirror.

10. He's going to hit the ignore button.

Ya know, disagree all you want. But you call me out, call me immature and say I have an agenda. When I call you out back and ask what this agenda is you don't answer, you say I'll use the ignore button. If you can't stand the heat in the kitchen, don't start it.
 
Well, I said I was done with this thread a bit ago......but I digressed. Won't happen again.:(
 
Sorry DE. I just don't like being called immature by someone because I disagreed with him. I think I've made my point. Anyway next time someone acts like a complete jerk, I'll try and send them a message instead of wsting other peoples time reading this. Point taken.
 
Originally posted by DE Wrangler 2
There's that snicker again.:(  

Rather irritating.
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I thought this was over but I can tell this is a issue.

I just thought it was funny, someone calling the nra site a good source of information, thats why I was laughing on that perticular ocasion.

I dont know what you mean about snickering the whole time.


and from before about giving one sided information

I dont feel like looking it up again, but if my memory servs me right there were around 1.5 million crimes stopped by citizens with legal guns in 2000. Remember thats (ALL Crimes) not homicides.
 
Originally posted by mngopherguy
LOL. Funny. Lets recap:

1. I disagree and say I don't know why Republicans bring Religion into things. Disagree or not? fair enough.

2. net post, sorry if I stepped on your opinion, I just disagree.

3. 4x says its wrong to be ridiculed.

4. i ask how its different from him with Smack.

5. I'm told I not mature and have a liberal agenda.

6. I turn the tables back at 4x and he gets mad.

7. I ask for info on my supposed liberal agenda.

8. He comes back with I'm not mature again.

9. I tell him to look in the mirror.

10. He's going to hit the ignore button.

Ya know, disagree all you want. But you call me out, call me immature and say I have an agenda. When I call you out back and ask what this agenda is you don't answer, you say I'll use the ignore button.  If you can't stand the heat in the kitchen, don't start it.
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Just so you know, I'm not actually "mad" about anything. I simply realize that your view of the world is so corrupted that argueing with you is pointless. Pointing out the liberal agenda etc. is only going to create further friction. I wish you no harm personally, I just have made a concious decision that we really have no basis to continue this discussion. I'm sure you won't believe this, but I really have nothing against you personally and I wish you felt the same, although I truly doubt that is the case.
 
I have nothing against you either, except for when you call someone immature without any reason as I see it. I think thats uncalled for, otherwise why would I have a problem? People disagree all the time, that part of what makes the country so great. How quiet would this board be without Smack? And we've discussed many other threads without any problems.

At any rate I'm all for letting the thread die, just wanted to add my .02
 
Wow what a great arguement that just convinced me to change my whole way of thinking.
 
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