What are these "Cookie Cutters" of which you speak?

Simple Fan said:
I don't mind the mile and a half because I feel they produce the best style of racing for NASCAR. I won't deny I'd like to see some more variety in the tracks and even some new ones built as some tracks don't need two dates I believe. I know Gordon is working on one up in Canada similar to Richmond but things are going slow with it. I think a track like Bristol in NYC would be cool as well and they could use at least one more road course or maybe even a street circuit of sorts.
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Given the current state of Nascar it is highly unlikely any new tracks will be built anytime soon.
 
Simple Fan said:
When I say style of racing I'm talking about how they showcase the cars. On those tracks these cars get tested at high speeds that are safer than superspeedways. They are the ideal tracks to race on in my opinion.
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You certainly are the beneficiary of all the cookie cutter tracks but tell your friends as they need all the fans they can get.
 
Dr. Deandra Lesley-Peleckie ...

I’d say there are actually only three ‘cookie cutter’ tracks: Texas and Charlotte are identical twins that get their hair cut differently and refuse to wear identical clothing. Atlanta is a fraternal twin to Texas and Charlotte. Lumping the D-Shaped Ovals in with these tracks, however, is unfair. The issues that many race fans have with racing at these tracks requires changing the car rather than changing the track.
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http://buildingspeed.org/blog/2012/04/13/cookie-cutter-tracks/

A good read ... should be a piece of cake for everyone who complains about the short attention spans of younger people.
 
Remember that come March Texas will be very different from Charlotte and Atlanta. They are applying the Kentucky treatment to the track.
 
aunty dive said:
Googled the hell out of that. Nothing so far.

I will press on. May need lawyers, guns and money.
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It sounds like you are an innocent bystander that somehow got stuck between a rock and a hard place. I sure miss Warren and Frank Zappa
 
Okay. So my addiction kicked in and I'm going to give the changes a chance. So I'm back on here.

Something about Kentucky & Texas:

NASCAR should remeasure the track length. If they measure the length 15 ft from the outside wall, and the track width has changed, I bet they are no longer 1.5 miles. This could change the number of laps needed for the races too.
 
Using the term "cookie cutter" to describe any track of group of tracks is very lazy. They all have unique traits and nuances. Obviously the basic designs are quite similar because it's a design that works well in terms of grandstand viewing angles and event logistics.
 
A mile 'n a half, not quite or a bit more won't matter when the series goes to timed races.
 
aunty dive said:
Dr. Deandra Lesley-Peleckie ...

http://buildingspeed.org/blog/2012/04/13/cookie-cutter-tracks/

A good read ... should be a piece of cake for everyone who complains about the short attention spans of younger people.
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A good start on the subject, although silent on transitions between the straight and the corner banking, which are crucial.

Regardless, that 2012 piece notes the following...
"If the cars weren’t so dependent on aerodynamic downforce, then losing a fraction of that downforce wouldn’t affect them as significantly."

Thankfully, Nascar has taken that to heart since 2012, which has improved racing significantly on these tracks, and more to come this year and in future years.
 
@29-4 welcome home. I'm optimistic that the process of determining the final four still standing at Homestead has been improved, and the relevance of the regular season has been restored. Also, winning is more important than ever in the championship format, which is a good thing IMO. We'll see if I'm right... hope so.
 
Matthew2470 said:
Using the term "cookie cutter" to describe any track of group of tracks is very lazy. They all have unique traits and nuances. Obviously the basic designs are quite similar because it's a design that works well in terms of grandstand viewing angles and event logistics.
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Maybe we should use The Brobs from now on.
 
Got to give Charlotte Motor Speedway props for the identifying yellow walls and the big Charlotte sign painted on the grass. Bruton sure knows his cookie cutter proofing.
 
"Cookie Cutter" is a phrase that all decent people should avoid.
This day foward Charlotte, Fort Worth, Kentucky, Atlanta, Kansas, Las Vegas, Kentucky, Texas, and Concord they all deserve respect, NO MORE COOKIE CUTTER.

By the grace of God this day forward:

"Inaesthetically Homogeneous Speedways"

will be the term of choice for me.
These tracks are definitely different and each has there own unique measurements.
They only look like the work of a single architect, or at least like a copyright offense. Amatuer aestheticians need to keep that in mind, they need to remember it only looks like an over saturation.

Don't be lazy, spontaneous yourself as needed.
 
Kiante said:
Kentucky is extremely unique.

I would not say it's "cookie cutter" per say.
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Good catch and I agree, I should have not listed that one..
 
aunty dive said:
A cinder block flying through the air at 80 mph is affected by aerodynamics.

If Cup cars ever become less dependent upon highly refined aero, it will be because race speeds have been drastically reduced ... and a lesser degree of dependency will still exist. Physics.
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The cars have evolved to the point that the only way to fix this is to change the tracks. Lower banking will fix 90% of the issues.
 
29-4 said:
Okay. So my addiction kicked in and I'm going to give the changes a chance. So I'm back on here.

Something about Kentucky & Texas:

NASCAR should remeasure the track length. If they measure the length 15 ft from the outside wall, and the track width has changed, I bet they are no longer 1.5 miles. This could change the number of laps needed for the races too.
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Glad you are back.
 
KTMLew01 said:
So what size/shape track would suit you guys? Seems you don't actually like any of them.
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If I had my druthers the season would be no more than 26 races with half the of them being on short tracks, 6 on road courses and the rest could be on other tracks as long as they didn't include Daytona or Talladega. Unfortunately the current car and most of the Brobs are not entertaining for a lot of people
 
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