now you are talking about the Dover race, hmm thought in context that was about the package in general, but you first sentence painted a broad picture of the package in general which you hate and what those two said about Dover so EXCUSE ME. BTW in context to Kyle's statement they were going too fast, Jones said he liked the speed, so did Elliott. BTW none of those two are bitching.No I don't. I stated that Harvick cited comments from Truex about how hard it was to pass. He did. Truex has made differing remarks at different times. I'm trying to be accurate, not just argue my side and machine gun any of the figures who believe differently.