What Do you Think of the New Package?

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by Speedbowl14, Feb 25, 2019.

  1. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    now you are talking about the Dover race, hmm thought in context that was about the package in general, but you first sentence painted a broad picture of the package in general which you hate and what those two said about Dover so EXCUSE ME:p. BTW in context to Kyle's statement they were going too fast, Jones said he liked the speed, so did Elliott. BTW none of those two are bitching. :D
     
  2. AdoubleU24

    AdoubleU24 Team Owner

    But...but...cOlLaBoRaTiVe EfFoRt!

    My foot.
     
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  3. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    The context of the thread and discussion is the 2019 high and higher downforce package(s). Not a single person is talking about Dover alone in a vacuum, pro or con.
     
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  4. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    Yeah, Kez is opposed, but trying to fly under the radar ATM. He was pretty vocal about that before the racing season got underway. I haven't seen Logano comment one way or the other, but he is loving his life since joining Team Penske, so he's gonna be OK with whatever that entails. It's his happy-go-lucky nature.

    Both Kez and Joey have a recurring gig on Fox's Race Hub, which I believe means any overt criticism of Nascar is a no-no. Chad Knaus too. He spent 16 years exploiting the skills of the greatest driver of this era, so he knows all about racing in a skill-based meritocracy. But on Race Hub, he is loath to criticize anything, choosing to focus on optimizing the hand he has been dealt. Frankly, I can understand that approach... which is not to say I like it.

    No one was more politically correct than Eddie Haskell Carl Edwards. But when his moment to lead appeared, he stepped right up. I think Harvick would like to be that guy now. But Harvick's reputation as a two-faced hypocrite might make that impossible, or perhaps too uncomfortable. We'll see in the coming weeks.
     
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  5. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    cited comments from Erik Jones, Truex, and others.
    i think you might need to uncross your wires for Truex.
    here is a sited comment from an other.
    Martin Truex Jr: Kansas could be one of the ‘coolest races of the year’
    Truex said. “I think the cool part about going there is that it’s a great race track and it’s weathered over the years since that repave (in 2012). … I think that will play into making the package we’re taking there even better than it’s been at some other places. I think it has the potential to be one of the coolest races of the year honestly. It’s going to be fun.”
    “I thought Texas we had a better race than we’ve had there the last couple years,” Truex said. “At a place where it’s tough to run two-wide and things like that, I thought we had some good racing.
     
  6. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    so far you anti package bandwagon people have Harvick and Bush on your bandwagon. I suspect both will bail as soon as they get another win. :D be praising the car, the team, and most of all, their sponsor's who are paying the bills.
     
  7. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    This is laughable given that it has been illustrated that Busch slams rules packages he doesn't like even when he wins.

    You'd do better to slow down with the insults. If the package is working well and only two drivers out of 36 dislike it and 34 are in favor, I wouldn't be riled up in your position. What are you worried about, Kyle Busch's great charisma convincing everyone? ;)
     
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  8. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    who's riled? I'm not the one doing all of the complaining, coming up with all of these arguments real or imagined against it.
     
  9. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    :dual9mm: I'm sure you're right, FL. At least I hope you are. A few weeks ago, I even offered the spin that Steve O'Donnell could use when announcing yet another 180-degree reversal of NASCAR's philosophy of automobile racing...
     
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  10. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I think they will add more Gen 7 parts for testing next year so that gives some yet another year of complaining, and then when the new car comes out , wowzie a whole new can of worms for the critics to go on and on about. Exciting times.
     
  11. Turtle84

    Turtle84 Slow is Fast

    If certain owner's are that financially strapped, that they become that desperate to push for cost cutting measures, at the detriment to the on-track product, perhaps it is time to renegotiate with NASCAR how the pie is getting divvied up. To provide the best product to the fans.
     
  12. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    Just want to make clear that even last year it was reported that, despite a majority of teams in favor, there were dissenting votes. Presumably these included SHR, and I would even suggest JGR.

     
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  13. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    Every single major NASCAR decision is presented with the idea that it was made with "unprecedented industry collaboration". I bet if you went back through the press releases and press conferences for the past decade or so you could find that quote verbatim many times...rarely actually seems to be the case, though.
     
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  14. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    wow that's surprising. We have nothing but harmony around here.
     
  15. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner

    ...
    "...failure is an orphan."
     
  16. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    The best package-related driver comment of the season is still Christopher Bell saying he is fine staying in the Xfinity series longer because he prefers the rules package there to what they've done on the Cup side.
     
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  17. ahudsonman

    ahudsonman Team Owner

    New Package.....at some tracks it has been great.
    And at some tracks it has been crapola.
     
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  18. Turtle84

    Turtle84 Slow is Fast

    Yep, they love to use that one.
     
  19. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    I recall Shrub slamming the COT in Victory Lane at Bristol before the tires had quit smoking.
     
  20. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I recall KDB saying I CAN'T F###G PASS at Pocono last year, so what's new.
     
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  21. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    “It doesn’t matter what they say, as long as they’re talking about you.”
     
  22. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner

    If teams and their drivers had some say in the process and approval of major rule changes -- then to keep yapping about it in public makes the dissenters appear as drama queens looking for attention and validation.

    IF the owners, teams and drivers have differences of opinion on the rules both present and future, then Harvick trying to heap crap on NASCAR is a bit misguided.
     
  23. Mispeedway15

    Mispeedway15 Team Owner

  24. Turtle84

    Turtle84 Slow is Fast

    Dover is not a 1.5. Kansas Practice 1 is looking wide open and small packy, again if you thought pack meant Dega or Daytona exact replica, then you're just off. MRN announcers in practice 1 literally just said "Driver's working in a huge pack".
     
  25. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    sorry bud I believe you are one of those that was saying that. It wasn't me. I guess you've slept since then
     
  26. Turtle84

    Turtle84 Slow is Fast

    The point being SOI is that the draft is much more in play now on the 1.5's than any time previously. Takes less driver skill to hold it wide open and barely breathe it, you basically got what you got with the car on speed. It can still produce an entertaining race, as did the previous package.
     
  27. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    hmm singing a different song and telling me what I already know.
     
  28. Turtle84

    Turtle84 Slow is Fast

    How so? It's not my cup tea. I am glad you know.
     
  29. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    No, it's not just two drivers. And no, Truex is not a fan generally.



    Having said that, it is quite debatable whether venting public frustration is helpful, or if doing it privately is more effective. The crux of the matter is what Harvick said about feeling like drivers' opinions aren't being heard. At that point, it makes sense to go public.

    In my view, Busch has handled it poorly by petutlantly bashing instead of explaining anything beyond "it sucks". This does little to win anyone over. Harvick has been more circumspect and careful, and i don't find any fault with his approach on this issue.
     
  30. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I guess so, some of us agree with Chase

     
  31. AdoubleU24

    AdoubleU24 Team Owner

  32. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Here is another driver's opinion

     
  33. Turtle84

    Turtle84 Slow is Fast

    "Everyone working together" Harmony.
     
  34. TexasRaceLady

    TexasRaceLady Plank Owner Contributor

    Governance by committee really doesn't work all that well. Yes, the head of the business needs to listen to input from sources,
    but someone has to be in charge and make the decisions.
    You can't please all of the people all of the time.
     
  35. Mispeedway15

    Mispeedway15 Team Owner

    My only problem is I’m sick of hearing drivers and people complain. I don’t care if you take all the downforce off the car, these things are so engineered anymore it’s crazy
     
  36. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    In the space of a day or two, the discussion has moved from whether there was successful industry-wide collaboration to suggestions that collaboration doesn't work and drivers and team owners shouldn't be a part of the process anyway. Chase Elliott is entitled to his view just like everyone else. Since his Stockholm-ish sounding opinion is that his opinion doesn't matter, I guess he's invalidated himself. Other prominent drivers and surely owners don't believe that, and are taking part publicly or privately.

    Personally I have never understood people who love racing but begrudge race car drivers and don't trust their opinions. Who do they trust more? Executives and promotors, apparently. That's fine, all sides of the sport matter greatly, but I know who my interests are most closely aligned with, and it's not the suits upstairs.

    Logano is the marquee driver who seems most willing to speak out in favor of the package. His opinion absolutely matters.
     
    Last edited: May 11, 2019
  37. NASCAR Apologist

    NASCAR Apologist Crew Chief

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  38. Turtle84

    Turtle84 Slow is Fast

    I agree with this, yet it's the main problem the nascar big wigs are not good decision makers. I trust the driver's more than them.
     
  39. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    I re-read this and want to clarify. I think you're essentially right on a broad level. Everyone is never going to be happy, and those charged with leading the series have to make final decisions. When NASCAR made the rules package changes for 2017 and 2018, they did so after listening to and prioritizing certain factions within the industry. When they reversed course for 2019, they listened to different factions.

    Essentially, in terms of the on-track product, I think they got it a lot closer to right the first time.
     
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  40. DUN24

    DUN24 Skeptical of the Spectacle

    Better yet is when they listened to no-one and let them develop gobs of small-displacement horsepower and threw them at every track.

    Landon Cassill during a practice session at Darlington in 2014 told some pit reporter, "This track makes you feel like a man"... haven't heard a driver speak so complimentary of a track since.
     
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