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to be honest, rather you watched or didn't wouldn't add to it. I doubt any of us here do, unless one of us is in the Nielsen Family.
Cable companies know what channels are being viewed in their boxes.
The main reason I don’t watch playoffs is really because I don’t like the product.
 

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Cable companies know what channels are being viewed in their boxes.
The main reason I don’t watch playoffs is really because I don’t like the product.
But that’s not how ratings work. That’s why you always see them end in 0s and not an exact number.
 

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I would be over the moon if something like the Winston Million came back. Really hype up those races like golf does for its majors. Daytona 500, Coca Cola 600, Brickyard 400 and the Southern 500 have so much tradition behind it. I look forward to those 4 moreso then any playoff race. As for driver recognition and star power it’s a shame more people arnt tuning in because the youngsters are so damn talented. I hope in 2020 one of the young guys like Elliott, Byron, Larson, Blaney or Jones really breaks through and maybe puts themselves on the map
Byron and Chase easily could. Remember, Byron ran really well this year with Knaus and Chase won 3 races last year. Blaney and Jones could too
 

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But that’s not how ratings work. That’s why you always see them end in 0s and not an exact number.
Ratings do end with exact numbers.
 

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Ratings do end with exact numbers.
Everything I always see is like 750,000 or 2,435,000. Maybe I look at the wrong place, or exactly that many people keep up with wrestling, as that’s the only ratings I truly keep up with.
 

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Everything I always see is like 750,000 or 2,435,000. Maybe I look at the wrong place, or exactly that many people keep up with wrestling, as that’s the only ratings I truly keep up with.
I understand what you are saying, and you are not wrong, that is the conversion number which is used more than the actual rating number because that is easier to understand.
Using Friday nights WWE smack down ratings as an example

0.8/5 2.60

The first set is the actual rating, the second set is what the rating converts to in people, which would be 2.6 mil people, and so for that yeah, its going to end with a zero.
 

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I understand what you are saying, and you are not wrong, that is the conversion number which is used more than the actual rating number because that is easier to understand.
Using Friday nights WWE smack down ratings as an example

0.8/5 2.60

The first set is the actual rating, the second set is what the rating converts to in people, which would be 2.6 mil people, and so for that yeah, its going to end with a zero.

But not everyone is counted right? Or have they completely rid of the Nielsen family?
 

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But not everyone is counted right? Or have they completely rid of the Nielsen family?
Do you mean for the Smack Down ratings or just in general ?
 

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Equivalent of being undisturbed with your failing business because the business down the street is also failing.

Either way, they are both losing.
No, not really. It's like keeping things in proper perspective during the recession.
 

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No, not really. It's like keeping things in proper perspective during the recession.
Except that the TV ratings were nearly double what they are now during the height of that great recession.

We are over a decade removed from the recession and ratings are declining and tracks are still ripping grand stands out because they can’t fill them.
 

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Equivalent of being undisturbed with your failing business because the business down the street is also failing.

Either way, they are both losing.
I don't entirely agree with his premise. World of Outlaws and IndyCar are doing pretty well.
 

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so is Nascar, but the ol "it ain't like the good ol days" deathbedders will grasp at any straw.
I'd like to see the stands rightsized more or better attendance, but ratings being flat or barely up is a good sign IMO.
 

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Except that the TV ratings were nearly double what they are now during the height of that great recession.

We are over a decade removed from the recession and ratings are declining and tracks are still ripping grand stands out because they can’t fill them.
Okay, the recession is now. There are signs of recovery. We will never be what we were.
 

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That is a GREAT idea IMO. If NASCAR wants to emulate other sports, be like golf and highlight a handful of marquee majors every year. Forget the stupid playoffs, it’s completely unnecessary in motorsports.

NASCAR has said they are looking into multiple sponsors for the Cup Series, right? Well how about this idea. Season long championship, no playoffs whatsoever. Have three different legs to the schedule, broken up into 12-race segments. Looking at the current schedule, it just so happens that Daytona (500) kicks off the first 12, Charlotte (600) kicks off the second 12, and Darlington (Southern 500) kicks off the final 12. Have a different title sponsor for each 12-race leg.

Each leg kicks off with a marquee event. For each group of 12 races, they can add another big time event in the middle of the segment around race 6 or 7 or whatever. Just for example, let’s say Fontana in the first leg, Bristol night in the second leg, and the Brickyard in the third leg. These would be the “secondary” majors. It can be whatever races they want, maybe they can even rotate yearly, as long as each leg has one major race and another headline race every 12. That gives you 6 big time races over the course of a 36-race schedule where they can pay out more money and more points for the 6 majors. Have a season long points standings similar to the old Latford system, but slightly modified to reward winning a little more.

Admittedly, I’ve only spent about three minutes of thought on this, so I haven’t considered how bonus points for the big races would work, or factored in the possibility of stages or any of those details. But I really like the idea of NASCAR's "big thing" to be a half dozen marquee races every year instead of the constantly changing gimmicky playoff nonsense. I thought the first 26 races were much better than the last 10, and I'm sure I'm not alone.
I don’t hate this. I love the emphasis on the big races or “majors” like PGA Tour does for its Majors.
 

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Phoenix and Homestead were sell outs, but the TV was down on both go figure.
Complete lack of critical thought.

There are 3+ million fans watching on TV. Phoenix and Homestead have a combined seating capacity less than several college football stadiums that sell out every Saturday.
 

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I don’t hate this. I love the emphasis on the big races or “majors” like PGA Tour does for its Majors.
I'm not saying that it's an answer to all of our problems, but I DO think you guys are on to something. I think NASCAR made a HUGE mistake when they started to to take some of the uniqueness out of things and other than the Daytona 500, every race became pretty much like every other race. At least there has been an attempt to fix Darlington by giving it back it's traditional date and creating the throw back weekend to generate some positive buzz. On the other hand, I think they blew it by moving the 2nd Daytona race, and I think the further injured the Brickyard 400 by moving it to that slot. They had already done a pretty good job of eliminating ANYTHING that made the Brickyard unique. I think a LOT more could be done to make certain races seem more like golf majors, and would help create some positive buzz during the oh so long NASCAR season.
 

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I don't entirely agree with his premise. World of Outlaws and IndyCar are doing pretty well.
Then you should be elated with NASCAR's numbers....Averaging 3.3 million viewers per race vs. IndyCar 1.29 million. Is WOO even on TV?
 

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Complete lack of critical thought.

There are 3+ million fans watching on TV. Phoenix and Homestead have a combined seating capacity less than several college football stadiums that sell out every Saturday.
The sport has downsized. Big deal. It isn't what it was. Big deal. As NASCAR manages its new norm, it will be fine. Big deal. The atmosphere in Phoenix was awesome. People were happy, and had a great time. 0 bitching about the "racing"......and then we come to this little cross section of the sport. SMDH.
 

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Phoenix and Homestead were sell outs, but the TV was down on both go figure.
You better sell out a 40k grandstand for the season finale. (still had a lot of empty spots, IIRC)

from 2005:
"NBC’s coverage of the NASCAR Nextel Cup championship finale, the Ford 400 from Homestead-Miami Speedway, rated a 5.9/11, the second-highest rating in the history of the event, below only last year’s 6.2/13, and drew an estimated 19 million viewers. The rating peaked at a 7.2 between 7-7:30pm/et as Greg Biffle outdueled Mark Martin to take the checkered flag and Tony Stewart clinched the NASCAR Nextel Cup Championship."
 

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I think a LOT more could be done to make certain races seem more like golf majors, and would help create some positive buzz during the oh so long NASCAR season.
How can you create a buzz around majors when the diehards continually bitch about the racing, and hide under the "I will know good racing when I see it bull****?" Impossible. Phoenix was electric....but the spin here, and in cyberspace courtesy of Jeff Gluck's unscientific polling (and others) throws water on it. NASCAR needs to get a handle on the spin, and then the rest will be fine.
 

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How can you create a buzz around majors when the diehards continually bitch about the racing, and hide under the "I will know good racing when I see it bull****?" Impossible. Phoenix was electric....but the spin here, and in cyberspace courtesy of Jeff Gluck's unscientific polling (and others) throws water on it. NASCAR needs to get a handle on the spin, and then the rest will be fine.
Eventually you'll get a letter from NASCAR asking if you want to be cloned 5 millon times.
 

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I really hope that people get what they are looking for, but I doubt the critics really know what they are looking for. I have been going to races since Toyota entered, and EVERY SINGLE TIME I go to the track, I am satisfied. Completely. Love it. Sport is organic. Some races are special, and some are ho hum, but the bottom line is that there is a race, and it has a story. Sometimes a thriller, sometimes less than that. I will criticize the driver-centric promotion of the sport all day. Promote teams and manufacturers.....Because there are so few of us, guys with Chevy or Ford hats gravitate toward me at the track because of my obvious allegiance to TRD/Toyota, and we have a great time with manufacturer banter. How the hell can NASCAR promote this sport independent of the cars which set this sport apart from stick and ball? Stupid. I thought that the new track configurations with fan garage access (which absolutely has to become standard at ALL tracks) was to watch the crews work on those amazing cars--which is what I do. When I go to the garage, nobody is there....until the drivers show up, and then we have the stupid star struck mob mentality until the drivers go away, and then I am left alone. If this sport was promoted correctly IMO, the drivers would only serve as someone standing in the way of an engine bay. Over exaggeration......but my two cents.
 

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Eventually you'll get a letter from NASCAR asking if you want to be cloned 5 millon times.
Not sure this board wants that. :D I love this sport, and it really breaks my heart that so many cannot find what they are looking for.
 
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