Who DOESN'T belong in the Hall of Fame?

Is it too much to ask that HOF nominees be retired for five years before they are considered?

great idea, they can call it the Jeff Gordon exclusion rule. And then the same ones will have their heads explode when it happens. There is a trend here. same ones over and over.
 
Carl Edwards out, Kurt Busch in. That's my "line" and the two drivers I can think of that are closest.

Edit: it's case by case, and if your career in any way impresses the voting group then you 100% deserve a spot in the hall
This post gets 110% of my support.

Why?

Kurt Busch has nearly 30 Cup wins, including a Daytona 500 victory, a Coca-Cola 600 victory, and an All-Star Race victory. Last but certainly not least, Kurt Busch is a Cup champion, and he is also the first champion under the Chase format - I would think that he would be placed in the HoF by NASCAR for that alone.

If Carl Edwards had won a Cup title and a few more races, he would be a surefire candidate for the HoF, as well. Same goes for Denny Hamlin. His career is borderline as it is, right now. If he gets a Cup title, he certainly goes into the HoF. Pretty much anyone from Kurt Busch on upwards must certainly go in.

As far as Alan Kulwicki and Davey Allison go, I can certainly see why they made it in. Seems legitimate enough to me. They had the success combined with the fame, and Kulwicki pulled off a Cup title in basically what would be impossible circumstances in today's NASCAR.

Davey Allison, for as short as his career was, certainly had the ability to propel himself further and further up the winner's table. He never endured a winless season in his short Cup career, and his stats read like the stats from Kevin Harvick's tenure at Stewart-Haas Racing. Pretty impressive stuff.
 
See, this is what is driving me insane. Allison is a sure thing HoFer, but Edwards who have more wins, was a heartbeat (lost on a tie breaker, and a crash inside ten laps to go) away from winning two two titles and had a shot at a third (2008) AND has almost 40 xfinity wins, and he's only borderline?
 
See, this is what is driving me insane. Allison is a sure thing HoFer, but Edwards who have more wins, was a heartbeat (lost on a tie breaker, and a crash inside ten laps to go) away from winning two two titles and had a shot at a third (2008) AND has almost 40 xfinity wins, and he's only borderline?
Ah, you see, I wasn't really thinking about these driver's Xfinity careers in regards to their status in the HoF.

When I said borderline, I didn't mean that Carl Edwards had no chance of getting put in. He probably will go in. Just you wait and see.

Last but not least, the borderline comment was not even directed at Carl Edwards. I used the term to describe Denny Hamlin's eligibility for the NASCAR Hall of Fame.
 
See, this is what is driving me insane. Allison is a sure thing HoFer, but Edwards who have more wins, was a heartbeat (lost on a tie breaker, and a crash inside ten laps to go) away from winning two two titles and had a shot at a third (2008) AND has almost 40 xfinity wins, and he's only borderline?

Edwards and Stewart are on next years docket
 
See, this is what is driving me insane. Allison is a sure thing HoFer, but Edwards who have more wins, was a heartbeat (lost on a tie breaker, and a crash inside ten laps to go) away from winning two two titles and had a shot at a third (2008) AND has almost 40 xfinity wins, and he's only borderline?

I think he gets in.
 
Well Stewart is another driver that SHOULD get 100% of the vote, but won't. I don't think there is ANY question that Edwards gets in. Worst case scenario, they make him wait a year. Edwards CLEARLY is above where the bar is set, so it would be wrong to deny him. People seem to be enamored by the fact that he walked away in his prime, and he grins a lot and says the right things, so the NASCAR world will only be to happy to try to capitalize on that one more time. I can see the hype now. NASCAR HoF 2019: Cousin Carl VS Dr Stewart and Mr Hyde. :D
 
Well Stewart is another driver that SHOULD get 100% of the vote, but won't. I don't think there is ANY question that Edwards gets in. Worst case scenario, they make him wait a year. Edwards CLEARLY is above where the bar is set, so it would be wrong to deny him. People seem to be enamored by the fact that he walked away in his prime, and he grins a lot and says the right things, so the NASCAR world will only be to happy to try to capitalize on that one more time. I can see the hype now. NASCAR HoF 2019: Cousin Carl VS Dr Stewart and Mr Hyde. :D
Stewart beats Edwards in a tie-breaker for the second time.
 
Well Stewart is another driver that SHOULD get 100% of the vote, but won't. I don't think there is ANY question that Edwards gets in. Worst case scenario, they make him wait a year. Edwards CLEARLY is above where the bar is set, so it would be wrong to deny him. People seem to be enamored by the fact that he walked away in his prime, and he grins a lot and says the right things, so the NASCAR world will only be to happy to try to capitalize on that one more time. I can see the hype now. NASCAR HoF 2019: Cousin Carl VS Dr Stewart and Mr Hyde. :D

must be disappointing to never get your way on things. Stewart isn't going to get 100%
 
See, this is what is driving me insane. Allison is a sure thing HoFer, but Edwards who have more wins, was a heartbeat (lost on a tie breaker, and a crash inside ten laps to go) away from winning two two titles and had a shot at a third (2008) AND has almost 40 xfinity wins, and he's only borderline?
I for one have never said Edwards shouldnt be in the HOF , you on the other hand by your criteria said Davey Allison should NOT be. Thats a fact.
must be disappointing to never get your way on things. Stewart isn't going to get 100%
Exactly
 
I for one have never said Edwards shouldnt be in the HOF , you on the other hand by your criteria said Davey Allison should NOT be. Thats a fact.

No, you weren't involved in that conversation at all. Another poster said they totally understood Allison, but was on the fence about Edwards. I said no to Allison, but was also on the fence about Edwards. The whole point being that if Allison is in, there was no way to deny Edwards, who has better numbers.
 
must be disappointing to never get your way on things. Stewart isn't going to get 100%

Isn't that EXACTLY what I said? I said he SHOULD, but won't. It's not disappointing at all, just perplexing. I have a curious mind, and I wonder about things that seem irrational to me. Unlike many here, I'm actually interested in what other people think and WHY, even if I disagree with them. I find it educational. You don't learn much in an echo chamber.
 
No, you weren't involved in that conversation at all. Another poster said they totally understood Allison, but was on the fence about Edwards. I said no to Allison, but was also on the fence about Edwards. The whole point being that if Allison is in, there was no way to deny Edwards, who has better numbers.
Both should be in, for Now Allison is. Do you for one second doubt his talent?
 
I don't think anybody learned a thing, changed a thing or helped a thing. And next year it will be the same thing.;)
Nobody is ever pleased. The legendary Kimi Raikkonen once said "We can always dream about things, but we don't make the rules."
 
Both should be in, for Now Allison is. Do you for one second doubt his talent?

I have never doubted his talent. I can still remember him filling in for Neil Bonnett at Talladega in the #12 car and driving the wheels off that thing. He just didn't live long enough to accumulate Hall of Fame numbers in my opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. As I have said repeatedly, for HoF purposes, I don't count could have, would have or should have, only did.
 
OK, but WHO are you kicking out of the first class?
Would it be bad to put France Jr in the 2nd class and put Pearson in with the first? In a way this is all theatrics, I really personally wouldn’t have cared who is in, when they got in or the percantge Of votes. I care that those who are in there deserve to be in the HOF and I would confidently say those in there now do Deserve to be in there. Are there stronger cases than others? Sure but you have that really with all HOF’s. And that’s where I’ll stop comparing racing to all other stick n ball sports, because I have refused to do it on other forums on here.
 
Some NASCAR numbers fun just for the helluva it.....

18091

Anyone want venture a guess what that number represents?
 
Would it be bad to put France Jr in the 2nd class and put Pearson in with the first?

I guess you COULD do that, but honestly, If I were going to name the four most important people in the entire history of NASCAR, it would be Bill France SR, Bill JR, Richard Petty and Dale Earnhardt. Ralph Seagraves MIGHT be number five. That doesn't diminish Pearson as a driver though. He would finish no worse than second on any list of drivers I would compile, but his influence on the sport as a whole is somewhat less than the others. Pearson was never the face of the sport, and I don't think he had any desire be that guy anyway.
 
18091 = the number of drivers that have participated in the NASCAR ranks. (Yeah, I actually did the math) With the exception of the most recent of these drivers, all are eligible for the HoF. If we go with the stated 1% as being HoF worthy, that would carry us for the 38+ years worth of inductions into the HoF. I found that interesting. You, the collective you, maybe not so much.
 
18091 = the number of drivers that have participated in the NASCAR ranks. (Yeah, I actually did the math) With the exception of the most recent of these drivers, all are eligible for the HoF. If we go with the stated 1% as being HoF worthy, that would carry us for the 38+ years worth of inductions into the HoF. I found that interesting. You, the collective you, maybe not so much.

It's interesting, but I don't know what we can really glean from that. Perhaps more relevant is that only 190 of those 18091 have ever actually WON a race, and only 79 have won five or more. As of today, I would put 35 in the Hall, plus Glen Wood who is in as an owner, but is also a winning driver and Cotton Owens as an owner/driver. I fully expect Truex will soon meet my criteria, and I wood expect that Logano will too some day. My guess is that Kahne, Newman, Bowyer and McMurray do NOT make it. Everyone else is way too far away to speculate on yet. My 35 includes Hamlin (sadly) because he does meet my criteria, and Edwards because the Xfinity wins help put him over the top. Of course that doesn't even begin to address drivers from other divisions.
 
Would it be bad to put France Jr in the 2nd class and put Pearson in with the first? In a way this is all theatrics, I really personally wouldn’t have cared who is in, when they got in or the percantge Of votes. I care that those who are in there deserve to be in the HOF and I would confidently say those in there now do Deserve to be in there. Are there stronger cases than others? Sure but you have that really with all HOF’s. And that’s where I’ll stop comparing racing to all other stick n ball sports, because I have refused to do it on other forums on here.
This
 
Would it be bad to put France Jr in the 2nd class and put Pearson in with the first? In a way this is all theatrics, I really personally wouldn’t have cared who is in, when they got in or the percantge Of votes. I care that those who are in there deserve to be in the HOF and I would confidently say those in there now do Deserve to be in there. Are there stronger cases than others? Sure but you have that really with all HOF’s. And that’s where I’ll stop comparing racing to all other stick n ball sports, because I have refused to do it on other forums on here.
Not putting Pearson in the first class was a shameful thing.
Petty, Pearson, and Earnhardt should have all should have been in the first class.
If they had to kiss France Ass, they should have made Junior Johnson wait to the second class.
Pearson was better than him on his worst day.
 
what difference does it make? Johnson should be in the first class...oh wait. :confused: Like the first round is super secret special or something. Doesn't make a hill of the beans sense to me, getting in means you are a hall of famer.
 
what difference does it make? Johnson should be in the first class...oh wait. :confused: Like the first round is super secret special or something. Doesn't make a hill of the beans sense to me, getting in means you are a hall of famer.
Well if that is the case they could have kept France Jr out of the first class. He was so noble and such a good steward for all.
Would have been a great moment for the arm twisters to walk the talk.
 
This stuff can be debated til the cows come home. It will always be subjective, and in part a popularity contest. Too many humans involved, so zero chance to make everyone happy. And there is no clear criteria for induction. And folks need to remember it is the NASCAR Hall of Fame, not Grand National/Cup series only.
I can't see Bobby Hillin Jr., Brett Bodine, or Phil Pardons being inducted, of the three, Parsons remains the most visible. Does that help him get in? How much are the voters lobbied for a not too impressive career? But, anyone that ever wins a Cup race has done something very impressive. It can be debated in both directions forever, Does Pete Hamilton get in based on four wins, one of them being the Daytona 500? I can't complain with anyone that's been inducted thus far. Davey and Alan were very much deserving. I'm especially proud for Bobby. Maybe this is some consolation for him. All in all, I think the voters are doing pretty good so far.
 
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