Win and You're In; I'm Sold

Greg said:
I dont have a problem with the path to the chase, in fact I like what is going on as a result.

I dont think we will have 16 different winners, if you are in top 6 or 7 in points you probably make the chase.

I do disagree over awarding the championship in a one or won and done deal at Homestead. There are just to many variables to put all of the eggs in one basket.
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Agreed. I would like to see chase wins count for more than just moving to the next round. The Homestead takes all leaves the door open to extremely cheap championships. One good thing about it is it will shake up the chase schedule. No way Bruton stays quiet while France tracks host 3 of the rounds finale races, including Homestead. I bet we see a final at Vegas next year.
 
DaBiff1618 said:
Brad is Penske's threat for the cup. Joey is for real though
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Brad is too busy trying to get some respect he thinks he has coming, Joey just wants to win and avoids the drama. Brad is self destructing and Joey will come out on top I think :idunno:
 
Kyle18fan said:
Brad is too busy trying to get some respect he thinks he has coming, Joey just wants to win and avoids the drama. Brad is self destructing and Joey will come out on top I think :idunno:
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Joey seems to me like Brad did before. Came to Penske, had a great season then won the cup the next year. Joey has a different attitude and is finally confident and it shows. I think the big difference is that Brad reeeally let that championship go to his head and became a dick afterward. He feels like he speaks for the sport but heisn't a very noble champion to say the least. I think Joey is a bit more down to earth than Brad in that sense and wouldn't let it get to his head. I think he was very humbled by everything he's been through.
 
I've been sold on "Win and you're in" and have been wanting it for years. I love Love LOVE the new Chase format. If you go back and watch all the races and listen to all the postrace interviews, it's no so much what I hear that I'm loving as what I don't hear. I haven't heard anyone get out of the car after finishing in the top-10 and saying "Today was a good points race for us".

Kudos to NASCAR for the new Chase.
 
FenderBumper said:
I posted in another thread that drivers still haven't fully adjusted to the new reality. When they do, the gentlemen's agreement will finally be dead. We'll start to see more stock car racing and less of the open wheel style they've been racing the last 10 or 15 years. Door banging, fender bumping and guys being moved for the win will be back. There will be some pissed off drivers, especially in the last couple of regular season races. I wonder how nascar will be able to control cheap-shot payback by drivers who missed the chase. Add in the 100% rule, and how can the tower ask non-chaser to race chase drivers differently than anyone else?

Seems to me there will be fewer and fewer drivers who are good friends when this thing gets going. I love that Matt was willing to block the hell out of everyone to get the win, because soon that will get you moved very quickly. I hate when a blocker wins after doing that for more than a lap. Pisses me off. How does 2nd place even look their team in the eye after letting a driver do that?
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A driver getting spun out trying to block has happened many many times in the past, so when it happens again it's nothing new.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
These young drivers are making it fun to watch as well. Joey Logano's been fun to watch ever since his balls dropped at California last year. Kyle Busch, Kyle Larson, Brad Keselowski are all wide open all the time. About time the races are entertaining all day.
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Yes, I'm loving this rookie class. All of them are putting it out there, even in the back of the back they are scrapping. Its nice to see everyone racing with a purpose and wanting to win and not settle for second. All or nothing for a lot of these guys so far.
 
My preference would be to crown the driver with the most wins over the entire season as the champion, with points as tiebreakers throughout the standings. The win factor is interesting but the constant resets and one-off finale aren't.
 
FLRacingFan said:
My preference would be to crown the driver with the most wins over the entire season as the champion, with points as tiebreakers throughout the standings. The win factor is interesting but the constant resets and one-off finale aren't.
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I understand that, but with the aspect of the chase makes it interesting. You have to close those last 10-12 races if you as the dominant driver has won lets say between 5-8 times that season. Thats great, but when the "playoffs" come can he/she capitalize off of such a run. Its like having the best record as the 1st seed and losing in the first round to a lower seed. As the driver and team, you need to come prepared and not coast.

In the chase and others can step it up and make those 5-8 wins for not. Its all about the finish, not the great start.
 
mreed said:
A driver getting spun out trying to block has happened many many times in the past, so when it happens again it's nothing new.
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I never said a driver being MOVED for blocking would be something new. :rolleyes:

I believe I actually said the opposite, that a driver getting MOVED for blocking hasn't happened much in the last 15 years, making it something old and almost forgotten. :p

Furthermore, I never said anything about someone getting spun out for blocking, so I stuck to addressing what I ACTUALLY said. Drivers getting MOVED for blocking. :D
 
This is the most fun I've had as a NASCAR fan since the early 2000s. My favorite driver was the mark of consistency for the past decade or more and as much as I respect that, I've always thought you should race for a win at all times. This is also really showing how hard it is to win in these races. There's some serious talent in the field that haven't even sniffed a win yet. How great is this going to get in late summer? (Despite how TERRIBLE the schedule gets during the Pocono/Brickyard/Pocono/Loudon) portion of the schedule.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I never said they didn't earn it before. I just think it will be even harder now. You don't have to agree with me, that's alright. I don't agree with you either.
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Harder to predict the winner, but not necessarily harder to win the championship. The new system doesn't even guarantee the champion will have a single win on the season. A guy with no wins but 16th in points at the end of the regular season can now win the championship, which makes it POTENTIALLY easier than ever to be the champion.
 
Kiante said:
I understand that, but with the aspect of the chase makes it interesting. You have to close those last 10-12 races if you as the dominant driver has won lets say between 5-8 times that season. Thats great, but when the "playoffs" come can he/she capitalize off of such a run. Its like having the best record as the 1st seed and losing in the first round to a lower seed. As the driver and team, you need to come prepared and not coast.

In the chase and others can step it up and make those 5-8 wins for not. Its all about the finish, not the great start.
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A runaway champion every once in a while keeps things real, in my opinion. If someone goes out there and obliterates the field by winning 12 out of 36 races I see no reason why they shouldn't be crowned champions after that.

Even so, over the last five years the driver with the most wins for the season has averaged 6.4 victories so there's not a whole lot of breathing room, and certainly not enough to be able to coast down the stretch.
 
FenderBumper said:
Harder to predict the winner, but not necessarily harder to win the championship. The new system doesn't even guarantee the champion will have a single win on the season. A guy with no wins but top 16th in points at the end of the regular season can now win the championship, which makes it POTENTIALLY easier than ever to be the champion.
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In theory.... but take into account the way the racing has been this year as well and imo it's going to be pretty tough to make it to the final four. Then they have to survive NASCARMania 1 at Homestead lol
 
FLRacingFan said:
My preference would be to crown the driver with the most wins over the entire season as the champion, with points as tiebreakers throughout the standings. The win factor is interesting but the constant resets and one-off finale aren't.
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I like this idea. I've said that before..Most wins = champion... thatd be awesome. Screw second place!
 
FenderBumper said:
I never said a driver being MOVED for blocking would be something new. :rolleyes:

I believe I actually said the opposite, that a driver getting MOVED for blocking hasn't happened much in the last 15 years, making it something old and almost forgotten. :p

Furthermore, I never said anything about someone getting spun out for blocking, so I stuck to addressing what I ACTUALLY said. Drivers getting MOVED for blocking. :D
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LOL. C'mon, FB. The only difference between getting moved and getting spun out is whether or not the driver that gets hit is able to save it.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
In theory.... but take into account the way the racing has been this year as well and imo it's going to be pretty tough to make it to the final four. Then they have to survive NASCARMania 1 at Homestead lol
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That's a theory too. If the guy in 16th at the end of the regular season isn't competitive for wins in the chase, he'll points race and hope a few others DNF or get bad finishes. One driver in each round will move up based on points, and it could be the Turtle riding safely around each week. Then he just has to beat 3 drivers at Homestead, 3 drivers that will be going all out and taking chances.
 
FenderBumper said:
That's a theory too. If the guy in 16th at the end of the regular season isn't competitive for wins in the chase, he'll points race and hope a few others DNF or get bad finishes. One driver in each round will move up based on points, and it could be the Turtle riding safely around each week. Then he just has to beat 3 drivers at Homestead, 3 drivers that will be going all out and taking chances.
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Who knows... maybe we'll see a race for the cup like we did at Richmond. Imagine that was the pass for the championship? That would be amazing.
 
Mr. Gregory said:
LOL. C'mon, FB. The only difference between getting moved and getting spun out is whether or not the driver that gets hit is able to save it.
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Huh? You can't be serious. Surely you know the difference between a bump and run and hooking a guy.
 
.... but I just don't see the driver 16th in points being consistent enough to do something like that. It'll be good no matter how it goes though imo.
 
I'm still not a fan of "win and you're in".... There are too many NASCAR decision making variables at the end of most races... It feels a bit like a lottery.

The racing has been great but I'm not ready to give all the credit to the new chase format.


I think my real problem with the whole thing is the elimination rounds.. If it wasn't for that, the win and you're in thing would probably work out better in my own head.
 
DUN24 said:
I think my real problem with the whole thing is the elimination rounds.. If it wasn't for that, the win and you're in thing would probably work out better in my own head.
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The elimination rounds have always been there since the beginning of the Chase. We used to just call them the points.
 
FenderBumper said:
Huh? You can't be serious. Surely you know the difference between a bump and run and hooking a guy.
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We all know the difference. But you really didn't make it clear you were talking about a "bump and run" after the block.
A blocking car can be moved during the block very easily if the car getting blocked holds his line and stays in the gas, which by the way is not "hooking".

Surely you know the difference between hooking a car and holding your line.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
The elimination rounds have always been there since the beginning of the Chase. We used to just call them the points.
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JJ in '06 almost certainly would have been elimated in this format after finishing 39th, 13th, and 14th in the first three Chase races. He won the title.
 
FLRacingFan said:
JJ in '06 almost certainly would have been elimated in this format after finishing 39th, 13th, and 14th in the first three Chase races. He won the title.
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But they would have raced different. :rolleyes: Isn't that the argument used abut if there was or wasn't a Chase? I'll play that card here too. :)
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
But they would have raced different. :rolleyes: Isn't that the argument used abut if there was or wasn't a Chase? I'll play that card here too. :)
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I'm not sure how that applies here.

Two of those were due to a wreck and running out of fuel late. It just goes to show that a large points deficit early on under that format really wasn't insurmountable.
 
Anyone ever think it might be the new rules for the cars that's helping the racing? Im sure its a factor... that paired with the win and ur in thing gives drivers more motivation and more car to go for it.
 
DUN24 said:
Yeah but now they zero them out 3 times.... They're trying to make 1992 Atlanta happen every year at Homestead.
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They've done that this time with this most recent change.

Like I said way back in post #1..... I've never really liked this whole Chase idea since the beginning. I always thought that the best driver over an entire season should be the champion, not over 10, 3 and especially not 1. The way I see it now is that the Chase is here to stay so if I have to live with it, the win and your in works for me. I'm simply not all that excited about the final winner take all.
 
FLRacingFan said:
I'm not sure how that applies here.

Two of those were due to a wreck and running out of fuel late. It just goes to show that a large points deficit early on under that format really wasn't insurmountable.
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I thought the sarcasm was apparent. Guess not. I'll have to use the banner next time but I probably won't..
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
They've done that this time with this most recent change.

Like I said way back in post #1..... I've never really liked this whole Chase idea since the beginning. I always thought that the best driver over an entire season should be the champion, not over 10, 3 and especially not 1. The way I see it now is that the Chase is here to stay so if I have to live with it, the win and your in works for me. I'm simply not all that excited about the final winner take all.
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You changed ur mind about this... give it time. Let em race first.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I thought the sarcasm was apparent. Guess not. I'll have to use the banner next time but I probably won't..
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I've been up 27 hours straight at this point. My reading comprehension is in the gutter.

Ignore that post.
 
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FLRacingFan said:
I've been up 27 hours straight at this point. My reading comprehension is in the gutter.

Ignore all of those posts I made. :oops:
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Wow **** that noise! And considering it's Wednesday, it doesn't sound like a fun all-nighter at all.
 
I've warmed up to the current rules. I don't think the rules changed the way they race this season, the drivers always try their best to win (I think we might be seeing more parity). I've always felt consistency is important and I think that factor will play out in the Chase where consistency will improve a team's chance to advance. I'm even warming up to the idea that 1 of 4 will take the Cup.
 
mreed said:
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I think the point is that you'll see less and less drivers trying to "settle for points." In the chase, you'd see drivers (at least I know Jimmie did this a lot) settle for a 5th place finish instead of trying to gamble on strategy, or push the car to the absolute edge to try to go for a win.
 
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