Win and You're In; I'm Sold

And why do they still even use points?

Why not use avg finish?

Somewhat serious question.
Because that simply isn't exciting enough, JEB. Why would anyone in their right mind want to see a championship decided in such a boring, antiquated, legitimate fashion when they can watch the amazing, cutting edge, awe-inspiring spectacle that will be the Homestead Bowl? Four drivers, one race...one trophy! *salivates profusely*

SB doesn't know what a real, legitimate Cup championship season looks like because he's never seen one play out.

It's sad really. The boy was robbed.
He doesn't even realize that he was robbed, and that's the most tragic part of it all. Poor little guy. :(
 
I will agree that we are getting robbed of seeing a legitimate race for the championship. Instead we get some half ass reality TV show championship.

#robbed

tha 1/2 azz reality show is gonna be tha po azz driver w/out a win .......after richmond !
 
I will agree that we are getting robbed of seeing a legitimate race for the championship. Instead we get some half ass reality TV show championship.

#robbed
The TV ratings and attendance aren't where they should be, so the 2015 Chase will incorporate a fan vote, an immunity idol, three lifelines, and a Showcase Showdown.
 
I will agree that we are getting robbed of seeing a legitimate race for the championship. Instead we get some half ass reality TV show championship.

#robbed
The Championship never mattered too much to me. I always have gone race by race. I love watching a good win and to get a Championship you needed to be consistant, points race and also be lucky.
Wins?...Great! Championship? Not so much

JMO
 
Dale Jr has a win, and the cruise control was turned on. So screw your 100% Brian France, we just didn't have to wait until September this time.

And Harvick and Lagano would be crazy to care much about anything aside from more Ws. The untended consequences will continue and expose more problems.

Homestead is Frances Baby, and the whole point system is his self serving tool.
It isnt about making the product better.

Any type of Random BS can happen during a given race. Today BKs idiocy wiped out a lot of good cars, and the same thing can happen at Miami.

Producing superficial champions doesnt help the brand. It is just a short term fix to satisfy the whims of those willing to trade integrity for the short term quarterly earnings.
 
Are the same people bitching about the new championship system that were bitching about Austin winning the NNS last year without a win? Just wondering.
 
Dale Jr has a win, and the cruise control was turned on. So screw your 100% Brian France, we just didn't have to wait until September this time.

And Harvick and Lagano would be crazy to care much about anything aside from more Ws. The untended consequences will continue and expose more problems.

Homestead is Frances Baby, and the whole point system is his self serving tool.
It isnt about making the product better.

Any type of Random BS can happen during a given race. Today BKs idiocy wiped out a lot of good cars, and the same thing can happen at Miami.

Producing superficial champions doesnt help the brand. It is just a short term fix to satisfy the whims of those willing to trade integrity for the short term quarterly earnings.


Jr is afraid, and putting on the brakes is on him, not the new points system.
 
Dale Jr has a win, and the cruise control was turned on. So screw your 100% Brian France, we just didn't have to wait until September this time.

And Harvick and Lagano would be crazy to care much about anything aside from more Ws. The untended consequences will continue and expose more problems.

Homestead is Frances Baby, and the whole point system is his self serving tool.
It isnt about making the product better.

Any type of Random BS can happen during a given race. Today BKs idiocy wiped out a lot of good cars, and the same thing can happen at Miami.

Producing superficial champions doesnt help the brand. It is just a short term fix to satisfy the whims of those willing to trade integrity for the short term quarterly earnings.

Fact is tho that those without a win outnumber those with one.......so the trend of great racing is gonna continue.
Plate races may need rescheduling or maybe double point awards to get the already won to actually race.
I'm thinking Jnr here.
 
The Championship never mattered too much to me. I always have gone race by race. I love watching a good win and to get a Championship you needed to be consistant, points race and also be lucky.
Wins?...Great! Championship? Not so much

JMO
You can afford to be more lucky than good when it comes to winning races. Not so when it comes to championships.

Michael Waltrip, Casey Mears, and Paul Menard have won races but they sure haven't won championships.
 
Are the same people bitching about the new championship system that were bitching about Austin winning the NNS last year without a win? Just wondering.
That was more of an indictment of Cup regulars with Cup teams infiltrating the series. Austin and Sam would've had a lot more than one combined win if it weren't for them.
 
You can afford to be more lucky than good when it comes to winning races. Not so when it comes to championships.

Michael Waltrip, Casey Mears, and Paul Menard have won races but they sure haven't won championships.
Over 36 races a certain amount of luck is absolutely needed but I see your point. Thos guys you mention just need a bit MORE luck. :D
 
Fact is tho that those without a win outnumber those with one.......so the trend of great racing is gonna continue.
Plate races may need rescheduling or maybe double point awards to get the already won to actually race.
I'm thinking Jnr here.

He doesn't need double points, he has a Win and there will not be 16 winners before Richmond.

Get a single win and just finish 30th or better to maintain your entry status and you have had a good point day. It must be kosher or ok, they built a system to encourage as much.

Dale should send Brian a thank you card for getting a semi day off.
NO SARCASM intended.
 
He doesn't need double points, he has a Win and there will not be 16 winners before Richmond.

Get a single win and just finish 30th or better to maintain your entry status and you have had a good point day. It must be kosher or ok, they built a system to encourage as much.

Dale should send Brian a thank you card for getting a semi day off.
NO SARCASM intended.
It just made him look pretty pathetic to me today but thats JMO and I know you have yours.
 
Gonna be interesting to see how the teammates of the teams contending for a championship race at homestead.

Could you imagine if all 4 drivers of HMS were the ones to make the cut into homestead?
 
It just made him look pretty pathetic to me today but thats JMO and I know you have yours.

He will not be the only race winner to take it easy on a discouraging day. He is just candid enough to say what he really thinks, I respect the honesty.

But Nascar will fix that problem with the shut up fines after enough occurrences of the dreadful natural honesty. That type of sruff is just dangerous, and the fines are for our own good. Without them we can not have a wonderful racing life, hold hands and sang Kum bah yah together, cause Nascar is always right.:)
 
Are the same people bitching about the new championship system that were bitching about Austin winning the NNS last year without a win? Just wondering.
Nope not me, I like the raicing this year it seems to be better, with the exception of the plate tracks. That being said, I still think a championship should be awarded by points throughout the year and by incorporating more points for a win. A champion should be based on how good you ran all year not just by winning a couple of races to insure you get into the "chase". IMO Homstead is going to be a Cluster F, but I'm sure there will be a lot of people who love it.
 
Fact is tho that those without a win outnumber those with one.......so the trend of great racing is gonna continue.
Plate races may need rescheduling or maybe double point awards to get the already won to actually race.
I'm thinking Jnr here.
Hmmm, how about fixing the cars so they can actually race on a plate track???!!;)
 
The driver has to engage first.
Not sure I get the entire meaning here, but if you are saying it is driver error when they are 4 wide and 3 wide, I'd have to disagree. The cars need to be made to handle better in dirty air, they need the full rear spoiler.
 
Not sure I get the entire meaning here, but if you are saying it is driver error when they are 4 wide and 3 wide, I'd have to disagree. The cars need to be made to handle better in dirty air, they need the full rear spoiler.
Sorry I was refering to Junior hanging around the rear trying to avoid a wreck. I understand his reasoning but if your scared to race maybe you should just hang em up.
 
Sorry I was refering to Junior hanging around the rear trying to avoid a wreck. I understand his reasoning but if your scared to race maybe you should just hang em up.
I think he had more to lose than to gain by trying to race to the front.
 
Sorry I was refering to Junior hanging around the rear trying to avoid a wreck. I understand his reasoning but if your scared to race maybe you should just hang em up.
There is a big difference between being scared and being smart. If he would have been further up towards the front then he would have gave it 100%, but, I think he made a smart move. He didn't feel that he had a chance for a very good finish and he figured he would just end up in a big wreck, so he chose to take care of his car so he could race it in Daytona.
 
There is a big difference between being scared and being smart. If he would have been further up towards the front then he would have gave it 100%, but, I think he made a smart move. He didn't feel that he had a chance for a very good finish and he figured he would just end up in a big wreck, so he chose to take care of his car so he could race it in Daytona.
Maybe, but I don't buy it.
 
There is a big difference between being scared and being smart. If he would have been further up towards the front then he would have gave it 100%, but, I think he made a smart move. He didn't feel that he had a chance for a very good finish and he figured he would just end up in a big wreck, so he chose to take care of his car so he could race it in Daytona.
No Chance for a very good finish? He ran up front for most of the day :confused:
Save his car for Daytona? How about 'Dega chase race. He'll probably pull the same ride around in the back bs at the coke zero 400 as well. All of the winners probably will. 100% in not giving a ****
 
No Chance for a very good finish? He ran up front for most of the day :confused:
Save his car for Daytona? How about 'Dega chase race. He'll probably pull the same ride around in the back bs at the coke zero 400 as well. All of the winners probably will. 100% in not giving a ****
I was talking about towards the end of the race when he wasn't up front he was running between 23rd and 33rd. He was doing good until the pit stop cost him 15 spots. It looks like he made the right decision because he would have probably been right in the middle of a crash.
 
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It worked for JJ a couple of years ago in the all star race. It wasn't a bad plan, just bad execution.
I agree. I think if you were not up towards the front with 20 laps left then you didn't have much of a shot. The cars were three and four wide a lot and there just wasn't anywhere to go if you were in the back of the lines. Plus, everytime they got up to speed then someone would crash and slow everyone back down. They had a crash around lap14, 6, and the final lap.
 
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He didn't feel that he had a chance for a very good finish and he figured he would just end up in a big wreck, so he chose to take care of his car so he could race it in Daytona.

Yes, he has a win and is a lock for the chase, so why should he try to get the best finish possible.

Once you have a win these races don't matter. It's only the final 10 races that matter so why bother making an effort until then.

I understand that Jr said he was worried about his head injury so he decided to hang back. He could do that because he's locked into the chase. He didn't have to try to get the best finish he could possibly get. With 'win and you're in' there is no incentive to try to get the best finish each race after you have a win.

Wish I had known he was going to run the race out riding in the back before I picked him in the race game. :cool:
 
Yes, he has a win and is a lock for the chase, so why should he try to get the best Finnish possible.

Once you have a win these races don't matter. It's only the final 10 races that matter so why bother making an effort until then.

I understand that Jr said he was worried about his head injury so he decided to hang back. He could do that because he's locked into the chase. He didn't have to try to get the best finish he could possibly get. With 'win and you're in' there is no incentive to try to get the best finish each race after you have a win.

Wish I had known he was going to run the race out riding in the back before I picked him in the race game. :cool:

I am eternally scarred as well. Nascar can do whatever with their points, but when it starts messing up my yahoo picks something has to be done.
 
Like it or not, it's all we have. Like I said before, Brian basically took the relevance out of winning the sliver trophy. It's just racing now.

Literally anybody could win it this year . It's a total crapshoot . Hey ..The Crapshoot Cup. :)
 
I love this (Not really, hate the new points system) win and you're in crap. Totally backfiring on Brian's face.

I am puzzled why Jr. is getting so much heat because he didn't want to risk getting into a wreck....when he was already at the very tail end. He probably figured he was too far back to mount a comeback from the back. And guess what folks? Didn't matter because no one had the chance to make any moves with that caution coming at the end.

Fact is, he's won, he's in the chase. Deal with it haters.
 
Maybe Kurt has too much on his hands right now doing the Indy500 and the Coke600 having to spend a lot of time in Indy Cars
Scares me coz my bold prediction was that he wins the Cup title in 2014
 
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