Xfinity RACE thread --- Michigan

Team Penske said:
So is the 22 car full time with sponsors that say who drives it. Lets just shut the team down. The Xfinity series is so great they can stand on their own two feet just like ARCA does.
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that isn't the only car..there are at least 4 of them S.O.B.'s in the series running for the manufacturer points which I have been told is worth millions to the winner. Some of them are called the All Star car..yeah right. Just look for the ones running cup drivers every race. Gibbs has two of em, Childress one for sure Penske has the one.
 
Johali said:
You have your opinion and I have mine. Have a good day.
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Im enjoying the conversation.
I understand not liking the Cup drivers in the series but without them these kids are not getting the development they need to race the Cup drivers on Sundays when they get the chance.
 
Kiante said:
Brad Keselowski is a freaking great mentor to younger drivers.

You always see him talking to the Xfinity or Truck guys if they best him or he goes and talk to them. Its becoming hard not to root for Brad.
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I agree, if any of the cup drivers were to win in xFinity competition, I think Brad would be the best bet.
 
Simple Fan said:
Im enjoying the conversation.

I understand not liking the Cup drivers in the series but without them these kids are not getting the development they need to race the Cup drivers on Sundays when they get the chance.
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works much better for me when a driver like Bell because of his recent win in the trucks was given a few races in Xfinity to increase his learning curve and see if he is good enough to race at that level. But like Johali I also think force feeding and taking points and money away using full time cup drivers in the lower series is B.S. Like many of Nascar's older practices times change and they need to be reexamined..especially when they come up with "Names are made here" that is like a slap in the face if ya ask me. Denny Hamlin or Kyle Dam Busch or Brad Keselowski didn't make a name today.
 
I don't like the Cup drivers dominating the Xfinity Series, but I understand why they're there. The name recognition probably does help with ticket sales, viewership, sponsorship, etc. It's a shame because the series would probably be much better without them (today's finish was an exception and not the norm), but it also probably wouldn't be sustainable without them.
 
LOLLLLLL just watched the highlights and saw Kyle's goof.

Bueno, Kyle Busch.

Wish Byron coulda snagged that one. More playoff points disappearing into thin air, woo!!
 
ToyYoda said:
I don't like the Cup drivers dominating the Xfinity Series, but I understand why they're there. The name recognition probably does help with ticket sales, viewership, sponsorship, etc. It's a shame because the series would probably be much better without them (today's finish was an exception and not the norm), but it also probably wouldn't be sustainable without them.
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How do you know until you at least try? Times have changed. IMO today's racing fan is way more savvy than years ago when it was full of me too's
 
StandOnIt said:
How do you know until you at least try? Times have changed. IMO today's racing fan is way more savvy than years ago when it was full of me too's
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I would agree that the average race fan today is more savvy than the bandwagoners of 15-20 years ago who checked out the sport for a little while and then bolted. I'd be all for a Cup-less Xfinity series, I just have my doubts about if it would work.
 
ToyYoda said:
I don't like the Cup drivers dominating the Xfinity Series, but I understand why they're there. The name recognition probably does help with ticket sales, viewership, sponsorship, etc. It's a shame because the series would probably be much better without them (today's finish was an exception and not the norm), but it also probably wouldn't be sustainable without them.
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Goodness sake, we are of one mind, Yoda. You'd think we were from the same state or something.
 
StandOnIt said:
Like many of Nascar's older practices times change and they need to be reexamined..especially when they come up with "Names are made here" that is like a slap in the face if ya ask me. Denny Hamlin or Kyle Dam Busch or Brad Keselowski didn't make a name today.
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No but Will Byron made a name for himself and didn't even win. Now had he beat Denny that would have been huge for him. Beating Elliott Sadler means alot less than beating Denny Hamlin.
 
Team Penske said:
Yup that fits, no longer of any significance at the cup level which is what I was saying.
Thanks for explaining it to others.
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Which is derogatory as I said. A more appropriate way of saying it is ex Cup driver not has been.
 
ToyYoda said:
I would agree that the average race fan today is more savvy than the bandwagoners of 15-20 years ago who checked out the sport for a little while and then bolted. I'd be all for a Cup-less Xfinity series, I just have my doubts about if it would work.
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Are you suggesting that those cup team cars be removed from Xfinity or just change the drivers? The 22 team is gone without the cup drivers according to Roger.
 
Johali said:
Which is derogatory as I said. A more appropriate way of saying it is ex Cup driver not has been.
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I am not here to quibble about terminology. We come from different countries and say things different. I am old enough to remember certain words used for 50 years but are now not acceptable as they may injure some persons mind. I guess it is because I had a deprived childhood. I started a foot race in grade two, tripped and fell and everyone got a medal
accept me. So you can see your upsetting me.
 
Simple Fan said:
Thay dont lose points or money. Byron will get 2nd place points and money because thats where he finished. Kid had a chance but lost the race, he'll know better next time.
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They dont lose points or money?

Come on. They literally lost 1st place points towards their own series championship & money to a part time cupper in xfinity.
 
If the whole point of this series is for young drivers "to learn from the cuppers" (which is a bs talking point type excuse) then the cup drivers should have a base winnings & the position points & winnings should be awarded without the cuppers in mind.

For example today, Byron collects 1st place points and monies, Sadler collects 2nd place points and monies, etc... and the cuppers take home base amount of monies no matter their performance.
 
Team Penske said:
I am not here to quibble about terminology. We come from different countries and say things different. I am old enough to remember certain words used for 50 years but are now not acceptable as they may injure some persons mind. I guess it is because I had a deprived childhood. I started a foot race in grade two, tripped and fell and everyone got a medal
accept me. So you can see your upsetting me.
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Burp.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
If the whole point of this series is for young drivers "to learn from the cuppers" (which is a bs talking point type excuse) then the cup drivers should have a base winnings & the position points & winnings should be awarded without the cuppers in mind.

For example today, Byron collects 1st place points and monies, Sadler collects 2nd place points and monies, etc... and the cuppers take home base amount of monies no matter their performance.
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I agree.

If NASCAR won't ban the Cuppers, than take away the incentive for them to double dip every weekend. Starting with the prize money.

Something has to give. If NASCAR is insistent on this points format for the lower divisions, then the emphasis should be on awarding the drivers racing for the championship in said format. As of right now, the stage racing and playoff format is an absolute sham.

The Cup drivers are diluting and making a mockery of the series by taking wins, playoff points and prize money away from the teams running for the championship.
 
R Clarence said:
Just wait 'til ole Sam Hornish, Junior gets in there.
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What's the point? Hornish had the high ass and said publicaly after Penske let him go that he would only race at the cup level. Nobody wanted him. Point is if he wanted to race, he should have been racing all these years in Xfinity. More B.S. about names made here fallacy. Xfinity is for X cuppers that have gotten a bit slower and drivers who are making a career out of the Xfinity level, and youngsters trying to get better, to some show their skills at the level. It IMO isn't for Cup drivers who have stated that they are full time cup drivers.
 
ToyYoda said:
I would agree that the average race fan today is more savvy than the bandwagoners of 15-20 years ago who checked out the sport for a little while and then bolted. I'd be all for a Cup-less Xfinity series, I just have my doubts about if it would work.
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It would work on tracks that aren't hosting a Cup race. My thoughts on this and always have been, put the Xfinity and Trucks together separate from Cup. On some shorter and different venues than Cup runs at. A few races with Cup would be ok...Daytona, Charlotte, maybe a couple other tracks. I think the two lower series running at 1/2 mile to 1.5 mile tracks would work, maybe even in conjunction with Whelen Tour or Southwest series.
 
If owners are going after the Xseries championship, they should have to use Xseries drivers. Cup drivers don't get Xseries points, it should be the same for owners. Cup guys use the series for testing for Sundays, Harvick said exactly that after a cup win a couple of years ago. Cup guys are there to stay, but they are not there for Xseries drivers benefit. Do they benefit from cup guys? I'm sure they do, but that isn't why they are there.
 
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Mopardh9 said:
It would work on tracks that aren't hosting a Cup race. My thoughts on this and always have been, put the Xfinity and Trucks together separate from Cup. On some shorter and different venues than Cup runs at. A few races with Cup would be ok...Daytona, Charlotte, maybe a couple other tracks. I think the two lower series running at 1/2 mile to 1.5 mile tracks would work, maybe even in conjunction with Whelen Tour or Southwest series.
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I completely agree with this.
 
Mopardh9 said:
It would work on tracks that aren't hosting a Cup race. My thoughts on this and always have been, put the Xfinity and Trucks together separate from Cup. On some shorter and different venues than Cup runs at. A few races with Cup would be ok...Daytona, Charlotte, maybe a couple other tracks. I think the two lower series running at 1/2 mile to 1.5 mile tracks would work, maybe even in conjunction with Whelen Tour or Southwest series.
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Michfan said:
I completely agree with this.
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Send the trucks & xfin series to several home short tracks with the local driver's race as openers.
 
Team Penske said:
Yup that fits, no longer of any significance at the cup level which is what I was saying.
Thanks for explaining it to others.
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I see Sadler more as a journeyman driver that never established himself in the top series but is OK in the minors.
 
Simple Fan said:
Petty sure ARCA will have a few Cup drivers next week at Sonoma.
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LOL, umm, ARCA is racing at Madison Intl Raceway next weekend, and ARCA does not race at Sonoma.
 
That was an impressive run by Bryon, and pretty good finish, sucks that he couldnt get the win.
 
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