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LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A federal appeals court upheld California's assault weapons control act on Thursday, ruling that there is no constitutional right for individuals to keep and bear arms, the Los Angeles Times reported Friday.

The 3-0 decision, declaring that the 2nd Amendment protects only the right of states to organize and maintain militias, is at odds with the position of the Bush administration and a decision last year by a federal appeals court in New Orleans.

California adopted the nation's most sweeping assault weapons ban in 1999. It prohibits the manufacture, sale or import of weapons including grenade launchers, semiautomatic pistols with a capacity of more than 10 rounds, semiautomatic rifles that use detachable magazines and guns with barrels that can be fitted with silencers.

In February 2000, a month after the law took effect, a group of individuals who either own assault weapons or want to buy them challenged the law in U.S. District Court in Sacramento, contending that it violated the 2nd Amendment, the equal protection clause and other constitutional provisions.

U.S. District Judge William B. Shubb dismissed all of the plaintiffs' claims last year. Thursday's decision by the San Francisco-based U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld Shubb's ruling on the 2nd Amendment and one granting an exemption to the law for off-duty police officers. The appellate court overruled Shubb on another point, declaring that there was no rational basis for retired police officers to be exempt from the law.

California Atty. Gen. Bill Lockyer, whose office defended the state law in court, applauded the decision, which was also praised by attorneys for gun control organizations and denounced by leading gun owner associations, the Times said.

The plaintiffs could ask the full 9th Circuit to rehear the case or could directly appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, which has not ruled on the issue for more than 60 years.

The U.S. Justice Department under Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft has taken the position that individuals have a constitutional right to bear arms.

At issue is the meaning of the 2nd Amendment, which states: "A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."


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I believe people have the right to bear arms. However there is no reason anyone needs assult rifles, semi automatic pistols, or semi automatic rifles. :rolleyes:
 
next thing you'll see, people will be complaining they don't have a right to drive tanks on the road. or fly jet fighters over major cities. useless
 
LOL Smack.

I mean I can't believe they won't let us have grenade launchers! Where is this democracy ;)
 
honestly, what would you do with a semi-automatic assult rifle other than hurt people? i say its a no brainer
 
You guys are missing the entire point. What I want to hunt with is of no concequence to you or anybody else. The second amendment guarantees us the right to keep and bear arms, not "keep and bear some kinds of arms, as long as some bleeding heart liberal says that time of arm is ok for you to use". And I quote "A well regulated militia being neccesary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". These laws they are passing most certainly "infringe" on these rights. The constitution and it's ammendments were set in place to protect us from bad government, which is exactly why our country was founded in the first place. Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun's ever have. That being the case, he and his cohorts can get off my rights!
 
if you hunt with those type of guns you have some problems. Thats just slaughtering
 
Originally posted by smack500
if you hunt with those type of guns you have some problems. Thats just slaughtering
I don't hunt with those types of guns. But, there is no reason my Glock 21 should be illegal. It has a 14 round capacity. It is used for home protection and target shooting only. CA says I should not be allowed to have it. But, the constitution says I should. Who is right?
 
Originally posted by Zekk
honestly, what would you do with a semi-automatic assult rifle other than hurt people? i say its a no brainer

Zekk, most weapons out there are semi-automatic. If you outlaw them, you'll be taking 90% of the weapons and I don't think the people will stand for that. Now an asault weapon is also a semi-automatic but can also be fully automatic.
 
i have a semi auto .22

and smack i use it for hunting. and it is not slaughtering.

i use semi autos for hunting. expect my deer guns, and that is a bolt action. and my shot gun it pump.

so all semi are not asskicking, people killing, slaughtering, guns.

this is a no win subject, but no one is going to take my guns away. i dont give a **** who it is.

and the 2nd Amendment still stands
 
The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco is the same lame brained court that said the words "Under God" was unconstitutional........take if from there.:) The Ninth Court has had more decisions overturned than any other court in this country. It won't stand until someone changes the Constitution of the United States.........and that won't happen anytime soon.

Semi automatic weapons have been legal all along........fully automatic is another story.
 
Originally posted by Lap3Forever
i have a semi auto .22

and smack i use it for hunting. and it is not slaughtering.

i use semi autos for hunting. expect my deer guns, and that is a bolt action. and my shot gun it pump.

so all semi are not asskicking, people killing, slaughtering, guns.

this is a no win subject, but no one is going to take my guns away. i dont give a **** who it is.

and the 2nd Amendment still stands

I was refering to grenade launchers and machine guns those type of guns.
 
The problem is in defining the term Assult Rifle. No matter how its worded or who worded it there will be some fine sporting rifles that would be considered Assult rifles. I own many prior military weapons and none of them do any harm to anyone, thay may have at one time but not now. Should it be againts the law for me to own some History, NO. Should it be against the law for me to use them illegally, YES and it already is. Enforce the laws on the use not ownership.

And by the way its not illegal to own a fully automatic weapon, you just need the proper license.
 
Lap3, you need to be able to hold a conversation without swearing.

You're a big boy now right? Act like one.
 
Originally posted by paul
Lap3, you need to be able to hold a conversation without swearing.

You're a big boy now right? Act like one.

sorry about that paul, i just get carried away sometimes.
 
Originally posted by smack500
I was refering to grenade launchers and machine guns those type of guns.

give me a Rugar 10-22 and a few hours and it will be full auto.

full auto = machine gun

so you can make a MG relly easy.
 
There are many guns out there that can be easily converted to fully-auto. It is already a felony that carries a 10 year prison sentence if I'm not completely mistaken. If they enforce the laws that already stand, there would be no need for any of these new ones.
 
Originally posted by Lap3Forever
i have a semi auto .22

and smack i use it for hunting. and it is not slaughtering.

i use semi autos for hunting. expect my deer guns, and that is a bolt action. and my shot gun it pump.

so all semi are not asskicking, people killing, slaughtering, guns.

this is a no win subject, but no one is going to take my guns away. i dont give a **** who it is.

and the 2nd Amendment still stands

Have you ever tried hunting or fishing with a bow and arrow?
 
They have no intention that I know of of outlawing these, but they can be much more deadly and you could be much more quiet with it...

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Originally posted by Lap3Forever
nope, ppl round here dont bow hunt mutch, some do but most use a gun

I'm not trying to tell you to change or anything. One of my dad's friends makes his own bows and hunts elk with them. He also uses them to fish. It sounds kinda interesting.
 
"Assault Rifle" is a garbage can term. It can be used to describe many different firearms, but is used to describe anything a politician wants to get on a soapbox about.
 
Can you imagine if the Indians had compound bows like the one I just posted. We'd all be speaking Apache on here.
 
We get a lot of bowhunting around here because bow season is a whole lot longer than gun season. Plus, you can't use a rifle around here.
 
Originally posted by Lap3Forever
the olny bad thing about a bow is. cant shot that far, and somethings that string is hard to pull back

Sometimes it takes some muscle in the arms not the fingers to get a deer or elk.:p
 
Originally posted by smack500
if you hunt with those type of guns you have some problems. Thats just slaughtering

Smack, I agree 100000%

You can count me as a right winger, but I've got issues when it comes to arms...:eek:
 
The 9th is the most liberal of all the appeals courts. It is overturned more than any other by a long shot. Nearly 75% of all their decisions are appealed.

Alaska's congressional delegation [with help from others], is trying to get the district split so as to isolate the liberal factions from the conservative northwestern states.
 
People are gonna kill people. If you take away our guns ( that i am very much against ) They will use sticks and stones. But they will get the job done.
 
I understand what your saying Gollum, but I don't agree at all. Sure you can't prevent alot of crimes, but some can be prevented. Especially the heat of the moment as opposed to the pre thought out murders.

Hunters. Nothing wrong with a good old 22. However pistols and other weapons are made for killing humans not deer. I'm not a "liberal" either.

And Grenade Launchers? The fact someone who try to defend them is ridiculous. Why do I get the feeling Heston and the NRA will bully their way into this one?
 
Originally posted by mngopherguy
I understand what your saying Gollum, but I don't agree at all. Sure you can't prevent alot of crimes, but some can be prevented. Especially the heat of the moment as opposed to the pre thought out murders.

Hunters. Nothing wrong with a good old 22. However pistols and other weapons are made for killing humans not deer. I'm not a "liberal" either.

And Grenade Launchers? The fact someone who try to defend them is ridiculous. Why do I get the feeling Heston and the NRA will bully their way into this one?
Where do I begin? Let's start with why guns are made. Do you have any idea how many more times a gun is used to kill an animal rather than a human being? I don't have the numbers but I would say they are astounding. Next...Why do you have the feeling the NRA will be involved in this? Because they are whole-heartedly in support of the constitution. Anything that flies in the face of the second amendment will draw their wrath. I agree about the grenade-launchers, but what they are doing is call "pork-barreling". They want you to be outraged about the grenade launchers so you vote against it. You don't care about the other stuff because it doesn't affect you. The other thing is that they prey upon the average voters ignorance of various guns and their uses. A semi-automatic .45 pistol is a very fine choice for home protection. I don't ever expect to use one for that purpose, but if I should ever need to, I don't want to worry about having enough in the magazine to finish the job.
 
The NRA does whatever is in their best interests period. Constitutionally correct? LMAO. I've repeatedly said my stance is many of these guns are not needed. I'd like to see someone show me why they are. Go get a rifle and put a slug in there and go hunting. I'm all for that, alot of these other guns aren't needed.
 
Sorry DEF3, but I didn't know we did arm bears.

My single shot Mossberg and my Ruger 22/250 work fine for me. And my little handgun is fine for home protection.
 
Originally posted by mngopherguy
The NRA does whatever is in their best interests period. Constitutionally correct? LMAO. I've repeatedly said my stance is many of these guns are not needed. I'd like to see someone show me why they are. Go get a rifle and put a slug in there and go hunting. I'm all for that, alot of these other guns aren't needed.
I agree that many of the guns out there aren't needed. But I don't agree that our government has any right to take them away either. Our government is entirely too big already. We have strayed so far from what America was supposed to be about, we can't even see the obvious any more. Less government and more personal responsibility would go a long way to restoring it.
 
Ask someone like Randy Weaver if the BATF needs more power than they already have. The BATF killed his wife and son. They we're found guilty of killing them and he got a check from the US Government for $3 million. Do you think that was a fair trade?
 
We basically disagree over the governments rights. I believe we should change the 2nd because in my opinion its outdated. I'd rather have have murder weapons off the streets and alittle more government, instead of what we have. In my opinion no one's rights are being infringed. Your still allowed to go hunt or protect yourself. Again my opinion is people crying "our rights" are taking things father than they are. Again your still allowed to do the same things.
 
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