You have no right to arm bears.

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Originally posted by mngopherguy
We basically disagree over the governments rights. I believe we should change the 2nd because in my opinion its outdated. I'd rather have have murder weapons off the streets and alittle more government, instead of what we have.
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My time! Let's see if I have this correct. You would rather see more government to let them have our guns, and you think this would make the streets safer. Is that about right? What are you going to do if by some chance, we get some tin horn dictator as a president and he decides that we all should live and work in a communal effort? You won't have a choice because the government will have all the weapons and will vertually be able to make you do what they want. Show me your papers or it's off to North Dakota. (Sorry guys, that's about the coldest place I've lived) We have a second amendment so that we can stop an oppresive government. Outdated or not, that's the truth. I'm sure you don't think anyone could get that high in office that would be able to do anything like that. Right?
 
Originally posted by mngopherguy
We basically disagree over the governments rights. I believe we should change the 2nd because in my opinion its outdated. I'd rather have have murder weapons off the streets and alittle more government, instead of what we have. In my opinion no one's rights are being infringed. Your still allowed to go hunt or protect yourself. Again my opinion is people crying "our rights" are taking things father than they are. Again your still allowed to do the same things.
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Let's start with the Second Amendment being outdated. First, that is merely your opinion......second, if you truly believe that, then start a movement toward changing it. Until, it is changed, your argument that because you think it's outdated, it should be ignored is just plain silly. So, with that said, that makes your statement about people crying "our rights" taking things farther than they are is false......ignore a right that is clearly given then the people who want those right have every reason in the world to be concerned. If government can "infringe" on those rights just because, in their opinion, it is for the better good, then they can also infringe on someone else's rights too......say, your right to start a movement to get a Constitutional Amendment started. That is a right.........but with your thinking, the government could violate that right because they think it would be for the better good. I think you are missing the point of the whole debate......sure the subject is related to guns, but the subject also ABOUT a Constitutional Right being violated. As the law is right now, it is legal to own and use most any fire arm (fully automatic fire arms require a special license)........it is a right guarinteed in the Constitution by the Second Amendment. Roll your eyes all you want when the NRA or anyone proclaims that rights are being violated, but you are the one in the wrong.........read the Second Amendment, look up any words you don't understand then come back and tell where I'm wrong.

BTW, grenade launchers are not considered fire arms......it's a launcher of bombs (similar to mortor launcher only hand held).
 
Is it just me, or was the title to this thread " You have no right to arm bears." To that statement only, I agree. NO ARMED BEARS.
 
i say f*ck every b*st*rd that says guns are bad and they should be banned.
it's just a was of time.
they ban guns, killers will go to knives.
they ban knives, killers will go to thrwoning stones at people:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by buckaroo
My time! Let's see if I have this correct. You would rather see more government to let them have our guns, and you think this would make the streets safer. Is that about right? What are you going to do if by some chance, we get some tin horn dictator as a president and he decides that we all should live and work in a communal effort? You won't have a choice because the government will have all the weapons and will vertually be able to make you do what they want. Show me your papers or it's off to North Dakota. (Sorry guys, that's about the coldest place I've lived) We have a second amendment so that we can stop an oppresive government. Outdated or not, that's the truth. I'm sure you don't think anyone could get that high in office that would be able to do anything like that. Right?
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I have no believe what so ever to think a dictator would take over the USA. What gives people this thought? I think the chances of that happening are one in a million at best. And even if somehow one did, people would be fighting out of there homes against a dictator with the best army in the world and more technology than anyone ever. I'm sorry but those people would have no chance. This is not the 1700's. The dictator wouldn't be out there with drummer boys. Again my opinion.
 
Originally posted by DE Wrangler 2
Let's start with the Second Amendment being outdated. First, that is merely your opinion......second, if you truly believe that, then start a movement toward changing it. Until, it is changed, your argument that because you think it's outdated, it should be ignored is just plain silly. So, with that said, that makes your statement about people crying "our rights" taking things farther than they are is false......ignore a right that is clearly given then the people who want those right have every reason in the world to be concerned. If government can "infringe" on those rights just because, in their opinion, it is for the better good, then they can also infringe on someone else's rights too......say, your right to start a movement to get a Constitutional Amendment started. That is a right.........but with your thinking, the government could violate that right because they think it would be for the better good. I think you are missing the point of the whole debate......sure the subject is related to guns, but the subject also ABOUT a Constitutional Right being violated. As the law is right now, it is legal to own and use most any fire arm (fully automatic fire arms require a special license)........it is a right guarinteed in the Constitution by the Second Amendment. Roll your eyes all you want when the NRA or anyone proclaims that rights are being violated, but you are the one in the wrong.........read the Second Amendment, look up any words you don't understand then come back and tell where I'm wrong.

BTW, grenade launchers are not considered fire arms......it's a launcher of bombs (similar to mortor launcher only hand held).
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1. Thats what I thought we did here was voice our opinion. Am I wrong about that too?

2.) When did I ever say that this wasn't against the law? I said I agree with taking these guns off the streets. I also said how are you losing rights when you can continue doing everything you ever have? I would fully support changing the 2nd amendment. Not like we haven't done this with many laws already.

3.) I will roll my eyes at the NRA. Again sorry to have a different opinion.

4.) I'm wrong, yeah back to that whole if I disagee with you thing again. Your obviously passionate about this, and thats cool. And I could careless if you disagreed with me about everything. Look at other threads like the "should we pay atheletes" thread and see how I've disagreed. The difference is Ward, PenskeGirl and others can disagree without he your wrong attitude. :mad:
 
Originally posted by j ozzman 5000
i say f*ck every b*st*rd that says guns are bad and they should be banned.
it's just a was of time.
they ban guns, killers will go to knives.
they ban knives, killers will go to thrwoning stones at people:rolleyes:
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To an extent. However where did anyone say get rid of guns? Also it sure would be interesting to see those drive by stonings.
 
Originally posted by mngopherguy
To an extent. However where did anyone say get rid of guns? Also it sure would be interesting to see those drive by stonings.
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It could happen.
 
Originally posted by Walrus_3
Is it just me, or was the title to this thread " You have no right to arm bears." To that statement only, I agree. NO ARMED BEARS.
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Wally, just imagine bears poopong in the woods with a gun for peeping pumas!
 
Originally posted by mngopherguy
1. Thats what I thought we did here was voice our opinion. Am I wrong about that too?

2.) When did I ever say that this wasn't against the law? I said I agree with taking these guns off the streets. :mad:
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And just what are "these guns" we are taking off the streets? Assault weapons? Tell me what an assault weapon is. Tell me how taking away any weapon from a law abiding citizen is going to stop the non law abiding citizen (commonly known as a criminal) is going to stop the use of guns, assault weapons or whatever you choose to call them by those same non law abiding citizens. My post was NOT to belittle your opinion........and yes this whole thread is about opinions. However, if you hold an opinion, you have something, somewhere that compells you to voice that opinion.......usually facts at at the base of opinions. Sometimes the facts are not actually facts........arguments like this can and sometimes do bring out the really true facts and opinions are changed. I'm open to changing mine..........but only if you can show me where I'm wrong. I think you are wrong.......I've presented facts (the Second Amendment and a definition of the the word "militia" in another thread which I know you have read since you posted on it). I offered for you to read it and prove me wrong. I haven't been convinced yet..........sorry.

And why the :mad: face? I'm not mad.
 
is Ward, PenskeGirl and others can disagree without he your wrong attitude. :mad: [/B][/QUOTE]


MNGOPHERGUY.........

THE ONLY ONE I SEE HERE WITH AN ATTITUDE IS YOU.........
you have a lot of living to do, your only 27 years old...GROW UP...:) :) :) :) :) :P
 
I say, why stop at guns. I think the Government should ban any automobile that has more than say 30 horse power. There is no need for cars to have more power than that. The speed limit is usually no more than 70 mph. Why do we need cars that will go 150mph plus? Why do we need to go 70mph? At that speed people die in crashes. Innocent people!!!!! All because of some drivers bad decision or negligence. 20 mph is just fine.

I hope you all don't think I am being serious. I am just trying to make a point that it's not the fault of the car or the gun. It is the human behind the wheel or trigger that is totally reponsible. I realize that most don't need or have the desire to own an assault weapon. But for some it is a thrill to shoot one. Same as it is for someone who drives a fast car. It is a thrill to stomp on the throttle and go fast. As long as that person does no harm to anybody else, what's the problem?

And for those who do harm others, they should be held to the law. There are plenty of laws concerning crimes commited with guns. If the courts of this nation would only enforce them fully. Our prisons ought not be a glorified boy scout camp. It should be bad enough that nobody wants to go back a second time. Should they even get a second time? NO!!!!!!!

As you can see I don't like the idea of punishing the many because of the few. Punish the HELL out of the few who mis-use.

RANT OVER! :)
 
Originally posted by cutiepie24
is Ward, PenskeGirl and others can disagree without he your wrong attitude. :mad:
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MNGOPHERGUY.........

THE ONLY ONE I SEE HERE WITH AN ATTITUDE IS YOU.........
you have a lot of living to do, your only 27 years old...GROW UP...:) :) :) :) :) :P [/B][/QUOTE]

Attitude? Because I disagree? I don't appreciate being told my opinion is wrong or that I'm silly ect. If I'm taking that too seriously, then point taken.
 
Originally posted by mngopherguy
MNGOPHERGUY.........

THE ONLY ONE I SEE HERE WITH AN ATTITUDE IS YOU.........
you have a lot of living to do, your only 27 years old...GROW UP...:) :) :) :) :) :P
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Attitude? Because I disagree? I don't appreciate being told my opinion is wrong or that I'm silly ect. If I'm taking that too seriously, then point taken. [/B][/QUOTE]


I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, I am saying....your saying DE has an attutude..well DE is my husband, and by god I am gonna stick up for him when someone with hardly any life experence says he has an attitude...point taken...
HAVE A NICE DAY!!:D :D :D
 
Good Lord people, no sense in trying to use the Chrome Horn on the forum.

A good argument is fine, but RESPECT ALL AND WISH NO HARM!
 
Originally posted by kat2220
Good Lord people, no sense in trying to use the Chrome Horn on the forum.

A good argument is fine, but RESPECT ALL AND WISH NO HARM!
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Kat, I am not arguing about anything...just mearly saying that someone comes in here when DE has his own opinions on something, like everyone, and a certain someone has to just say DE has an attitude, I guess when you voice your opinion you have an attitude, I don't know......maybe if certain people don't like what someone is saying, keep it to yourself.........
I respect all in here until someone says something like that..

I am done with this topic now........not gonna sit here and go back and forth with someone that just wants to have the last word......
Hey, Kat guess your all fixed up now, did you find out what the problem was with your computer?:D :D :D
 
Geez I said I didn't like his attitude because he said my opinion was wrong, how is that hard to understand. according to you I'm not allowed to tell your husband I didn't like that. I have no problems with Wrangler at all, agreed and disagreed on many subjects with him. All I asked is if he disagrees with me fine, but I don't appreciate someone telling me my opinion is wrong. If saying the word attitude is a problem, then I'll take the high road and apologize.

But I will say this, I find your little hardly any life experience insulting. You know nothing about me, but my age. It seems to me that your categorizing people by their age. I know some 30 year olds who have lived through alot more than some 50 year olds.

At any rate I'm not here to insult anyone or their husbands, but I will defend myself just like you defended your husband.

You also have a nice day.
 
Originally posted by mngopherguy
Geez I said I didn't like his attitude because he said my opinion was wrong, how is that hard to understand. according to you I'm not allowed to tell your husband I didn't like that. I have no problems with Wrangler at all, agreed and disagreed on many subjects with him. All I asked is if he disagrees with me fine, but I don't appreciate someone telling me my opinion is wrong. If saying the word attitude is a problem, then I'll take the high road and apologize.

But I will say this, I find your little hardly any life experience insulting. You know nothing about me, but my age. It seems to me that your categorizing people by their age. I know some 30 year olds who have lived through alot more than some 50 year olds.

At any rate I'm not here to insult anyone or their husbands, but I will defend myself just like you defended your husband.

You also have a nice day.
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ok...got it off your chest .....fine...now we can go on with posting and being friendly :D
 
QT, I think most of my computer problems are fixed, thanks to my computer geek Rick.

I had no intention with that previous post of pointing fingers, especially not at you for defending hubby.
I sure have had my dander up and showed my claws a lot of times on this forum, but now I just mostly sigh and refrain from taking the bait.
I meant no offense to you, DE or mngopherguy. PEACE and PURRRRRRRR
 
mngopherguy if i understand you right, then you say we dont need .243 , .270 , 7mags for deer and big game hunting?

i hate to say it but some shots a slug or bow wont work. and a .22 is not a deer gun. or not in my state.

all i will use a gun for is hunting, and target shoting.

and no one is going to take my guns away from me.

They have done took God out of schools and puplic places. and i will be damned if they take my guns away
 
Cutiepie- I'm all for friendly conersation :)

Lap3- I'm sure you don't want your guns taken away. In another thread I admitted that would be nearly impossible. And my stance on the subject has never been against hunting. Hunting is a great sport, its provides food, and it keeps the animal count down so we don't kill so many with our cars. All I personally wish for is needless guns being taken off the streets.

I'd talk to you about religion in schools, but thats a whole new can of worms :) ;) But if you wish to start another thread I'd be happy to respond. I'll will say you won't agree with me on that one either :)
 
For the record........my dander is not up. Nor was it ever up.:) I'm not convinced that my opinion is wrong.......that being said, I guess I consider any opinion other than mine to be wrong.:) Mngopherguy has his, I have mine........one or the other (possibly both) is incorrect.........hence the "wrong" statement I made.:) And age never entered into my thoughts.......just the difference in opinions. I fully expect gopherguy to defend his position........and I was attacking the position, not the person. If people can't argue without taking stuff personally, then I guess we can't argue here.:( So, I've said my piece.......we haven't changed a darned thing. That's really fine with me too. :D

Have one or two on me mngopherguy..........:beerchug: :beerchug:
 
Sounds good Wrangler, and just so you know, I was never mad. I mean I made my point before, but I never had steam rolling out of my ears or anything :)

Your both interesting people to talk to and frankly thats why I come here. I'm still fairly new to the site and when I've been here longer we will understand each other better. Its pretty hard gauging persons emotions off the internet when you do know them :)
 
good..........glad we got all that out of the way.....now we can all be friends and just have fun on this forum......if I said anything to offend you MNgopherguy.....please accept my apology.......:D
 
If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. Gopherdude...I understand your desire to have dangerous guns off of the streets, but it is just impossible to do so. I would like to be president, but it isn't going to happen. So, I'm more realistic. Have you ever heard this quote? "At last we have 100% national gun registration. Our streets will be safe for all law abiding citizens"--Adolph Hitler (1936)
 
Originally posted by Gollum
People are gonna kill people. If you take away our guns ( that i am very much against ) They will use sticks and stones. But they will get the job done.
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Yea just the other day I saw some people doing a drive by stoneing. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by 4xchampncountin
If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. Gopherdude...I understand your desire to have dangerous guns off of the streets, but it is just impossible to do so. I would like to be president, but it isn't going to happen. So, I'm more realistic. Have you ever heard this quote? "At last we have 100% national gun registration. Our streets will be safe for all law abiding citizens"--Adolph Hitler (1936)
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I'm sure we all want the same things, the difference in opinion is how to do it I guess. The Hitler sentence is alittle scary I admit.
 
Originally posted by mngopherguy
Cutiepie- I'm all for friendly conersation :)

Lap3- I'm sure you don't want your guns taken away. In another thread I admitted that would be nearly impossible. And my stance on the subject has never been against hunting. Hunting is a great sport, its provides food, and it keeps the animal count down so we don't kill so many with our cars. All I personally wish for is needless guns being taken off the streets.

I'd talk to you about religion in schools, but thats a whole new can of worms :) ;) But if you wish to start another thread I'd be happy to respond. I'll will say you won't agree with me on that one either :)
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ok i will do that
 
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Oh never mind. It was supposed to be the Bill of Rights, but it didn't work. I didn't really want to get into the whole thing anyway. Peace!:daisy:
 
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