Dinger says he is going to wreck Dillion, Dick responds with a threat...

KevinWI said:
Yeah, that's how I think it goes for a lot of the guys. They race at little local tracks until they're noticed by professional teams. I know that's how Kenseth came up. He ran in a late model with his dad. After he graduated HS he got a job at Lefthander Chassis and helped pay for GTO (gas tires oil) on the car. Then he got enough success to get noticed by teams, then noticed by Robbie Reiser and then Jack Roush and the rest is history.

I know you need some capital/family connections to get into racing, I'm not silly. It's not a sport they have at high schools or anything and you do need a race car, but I think saying that you have to be rich to get into racing is a little disingenuous. Of course, everybody's definitions of "poor/middle class/rich" is different so we could be here all day.

I know I watched Paul Menard come up here in Wisconsin. He grew up very poor. His pop owned a little hardware store. He had it very rough growing up. :sarcasm: :lol2:
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Not rich, Fortunate. lol

Basically RCR's whole stable is made up of corporate heirs it seems.

They are not Matt Kenseths/Hamlin's/Biffles...
Keselowski is another kid that had to play the game to get to the top, even with being the son of a racer.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
It depends on the track and the competition. There are tracks where it's all racecar and money wins every time. Then there are tracks where how much money you have in the car doesn't matter - either because the track's tough or because of their rules. Those are the tracks that a lot of working class guys race at. Those are also the tracks big money teams stay away from.
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Actually it comes down to no matter how much funding you have you can't buy raw talent. Why a big money team would avoid a track working class guys race at is puzzling, unless they fear retribution for their wealth.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
Finally thank you for your opinion. However I believe the general opinion in this thread disagrees with you. Richard basically was sh#tting on his partnership with JTGD, and in the million dollar business that is Nascar racing if he actually went through with those comments he would alienate himself from future business.
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The general opinions of this thread has no bearing on real life scenarios In My Opinion. As I stated he wouldn't have to go through with anything and he knew it. If AJ had retaliated by tearing up RCRs car and endangering his driver BD would have fed him to the gators, contract or not, pure and simple.
 
DUN24 said:
Keselowski is another kid that had to play the game to get to the top, even with being the son of a racer.
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I know. That always struck me as odd, since he drove for his dad's truck team in the Truck Series. I remember once he said he didn't make enough salary to be a full time race car driver until he got the Nationwide ride with Dale Jr's team.
 
Bobw said:
Actually it comes down to no matter how much funding you have you can't buy raw talent. Why a big money team would avoid a track working class guys race at is puzzling, unless they fear retribution for their wealth.
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I've seen it countless times. They come to those type of tracks and think it's going to be "Easy Money" and end up getting their asses waxed. Ben Rhodes winning at Kingsport Speedway in Tennessee is how I earned respect for him. He's definitely a "rich kid" but he's got talent. He found out the first time he went there that you can't "buy" (for lack of a better term) a win there. He knuckled up and drove his ass off and earned his wins. But he still gets a lot of disrespect because he's a rich kid.

I think there are a lot of people who look at those "rich kids" and automatically assume they don't have any talent... people who think you either have money OR talent but you can't have both.

Austin Dillon has money and talent. Lee Pulliam has money and talent. Ben Rhodes has money and talent. Chase Elliott has money and talent.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
Let me put it in terms that Johali can understand.

Dick Childress isn't getting his way so he threatens to take his ball and go home. He has every right to do so. However, those other kids will find a new ball. Then when Dick wants to play with them again they will kick him off the playground.
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You have it all wrong. Richard threatened to take AJ's balls and send him home.
 
KevinWI said:
I know. That always struck me as odd, since he drove for his dad's truck team in the Truck Series. I remember once he said he didn't make enough salary to be a full time race car driver until he got the Nationwide ride with Dale Jr's team.
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Yeah I think their truck operation was stretched pretty thin. I've heard he used to go to tracks and be handing out business cards earlier on.. That's one dude that EARNED his spot.. Even if he is a douche.
 
KevinWI said:
I know. That always struck me as odd, since he drove for his dad's truck team in the Truck Series. I remember once he said he didn't make enough salary to be a full time race car driver until he got the Nationwide ride with Dale Jr's team.
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The family race team was bankrupt, which put his parents on the verge of losing their home. When Brad went to JRM, he was able to bail them out.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Haven't heard anyone complaining about Chase Elliott coming from money yet. Are we waiting until he gets in a Cup ride first? Or, is he okay?
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I've said it plenty of times and got flamed for it by a lot of the same people flaming Austin Dillon. Funny how that works, isn't it? :)
 
Johali said:
The general opinions of this thread has no bearing on real life scenarios In My Opinion. As I stated he wouldn't have to go through with anything and he knew it. If AJ had retaliated by tearing up RCRs car and endangering his driver BD would have fed him to the gators, contract or not, pure and simple.
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While I have never owned my own business I have managed plenty and worked along side many owners/CEOs. To think Richard wouldn't have to answer for is comments is a little naive in my opinion. Now would they be more than a simple "I was just trying to cool the situation and used poor choice of words." probably not, but he probably will be asked about them. Comments like that definitely have bearing on how other teams would race his teams.
 
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dpkimmel2001 said:
Haven't heard anyone complaining about Chase Elliott coming from money yet. Are we waiting until he gets in a Cup ride first? Or, is he okay?
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I guess it depends on how he races others. So far so good. I have also said that the Busch brothers grew up with a silver spoon and they didn't come from a legendary racing family.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I want to hear everyone's definition of "earning your way". Seriously.
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dpkimmel2001 said:
Haven't heard anyone complaining about Chase Elliott coming from money yet. Are we waiting until he gets in a Cup ride first? Or, is he okay?
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I guess we got sidetracked... I personally never said the Dillon boys haven't earned it, and I'm aware they both have talent. While I was living in Mooresville while they were racing late models they were the talk of the town, killing it.

"Earned" probably never should have entered the conversation.. IMO this is about accountability. Statements like those from Childress the other night don't show that they need to be accountable. Who he hell am I? I'm not in those dudes heads..

The problem here is Richard coddling these boys. That's the difference. Not saying Chase hasn't ruffled feathers but awesome bill isn't stepping in places he shouldn't during races.. That I can tell/yet anyway.

I realize Childress foots the bill, but he needs to step back and let them race, in the process they will earn respect and drivers won't bad mouth their upbringing everytime a skirmish happens.

AJ called him a silver spooned punk bitch.. RCR responded by basically saying "talk ****, I'll show you how silver-spooned he is"

Know what I mean?
 
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KevinWI said:
Start and parkers bother me more than drivers from wealthy families.
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They do it for a reason though. Germain Racing started out as an S&P and now they have an alliance with RCR and have three Top 15s and four Top 20s in eight races. Tommy Baldwin Racing started out the same way and now they run full races and have an RCR alliance too.
 
DUN24 said:
I guess we got sidetracked... I personally never said the Dillon boys haven't earned it, and I'm aware they both have talent. While I was living in Mooresville while they were racing late models they were the talk of the town, killing it.

"Earned" probably never should have entered the conversation.. IMO this is about accountability. Statements like those from Childress the other night don't show that they need to be accountable. Who he hell am I? I'm not in those dudes heads..

The problem here is Richard coddling these boys. That's the difference. Not saying Chase hasn't ruffled feathers but awesome bill isn't stepping in places he shouldn't during races.. That I can tell/yet anyway.

I realize Childress foots the bill, but he needs to step back and let them race, in the process they will earn respect and drivers won't bad mouth them everytime a skirmish happens.

AJ called him a silver spooned punk bitch.. RCR responded by basically saying "talk ****, I'll show you how silver-spooned he is"

Know what I mean?
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Hitting the nail on the head.
 
FLRacingFan said:
They do it for a reason though. Germain Racing started out as an S&P and now they have an alliance with RCR and have three Top 15s and four Top 20s in eight races. Tommy Baldwin Racing started out the same way and now they run full races and have an RCR alliance too.
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Yep I don't want to derail this already train wreck, but start and parkers aren't in it to get rich off of Nascar.
 
FLRacingFan said:
They do it for a reason though. Germain Racing started out as an S&P and now they have an alliance with RCR and have three Top 15s and four Top 20s in eight races. Tommy Baldwin Racing started out the same way and now they run full races and have an RCR alliance too.
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I think Furniture Row started as an S&P too if I'm not mistaken.
 
FLRacingFan said:
They do it for a reason though. Germain Racing started out as an S&P and now they have an alliance with RCR and have three Top 15s and four Top 20s in eight races. Tommy Baldwin Racing started out the same way and now they run full races and have an RCR alliance too.
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Sure, but it's a crappy practice and I hate them for it. :mad:
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Most drivers in NASCAR bought their way up there. A good number of them never even worked up through the ranks. At the end of the day, talent still stands out. Austin Dillon's got talent. He can't help who his family is. I don't think Austin's a top-10 talent or even a top-20 talent, but he isn't a bad driver either. He's a good driver who will run inside the top-20 consistently and bring home a win or two each year so long as he has a top-10 car and, more importantly, he won't tear his cars up. But he's not even in the same league as Kyle Busch, Kyle Larson, Chase Elliott, Kurt Busch, Tony Stewart, Jimmie Johnson, Matt Kenseth, Kevin Harvick and even AJ Allmendinger for that matter when it comes to talent.
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Nice to read some level-headed comments about Dillon every now and then. The kid is still young, he's going to make mistakes, that goes without saying. Sure he's no Larson, but an average finish of 14th through the first eigth races ain't too shabby either. And let's be honest, Larson is starting to look like he'll become a generational talent with what he's managed to do in a Ganassi car so far. But to the guy who pointed out the fact that Dillon only has one Top 10 finish so far as a negative, he also has three finishes of 11th in his last 5 races. He could just as easily have had four Top 10 finishes in 8 races this season if he avoided some little mistakes, and that will come with experience.

But I gotta disagree with AJ being on that list. 1 top 5 and 3 Top 10's in 21 races in a Penske car the year Kez knocked off 5 wins en route to the championship doesn't say much for him. Especially when Joey Logano comes in the next year and starts ringing off consistent Top 5's and 10's in that car after most people were starting to write him off. Austin may never be a Top 10 driver in the Sprint Cup, but I can't understand all the flak he gets. Sure the prestige of winning a Nationwide championship has been severely diminished but it still takes a little bit of talent to win two of them in a row.

Maybe we were just too spoiled with a string of rookies who came into the sport in the early/mid '00's who were Top 10 drivers right off the bat. And maybe he does seem to be lacking that "killer instinct" someone like Larson has, but if he learns a bit more of the ol' give and take then I have no doubt he'll put together a handful of wins in his career.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Yeah, that makes perfect sense now. :rolleyes:
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Well compared to the Dillon boys it technically is true. Not saying it is a deciding factor in anything, but I don't think we can call Mike Dillon talent. However the Dillon brothers did probably grow up around more talent and resources than Chase. Remember money does not = resources, but it sure can buy some.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Yeah, that makes perfect sense now. :rolleyes:
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C'mon dude, you can't follow that logic? Bill Elliott has talent, and he had a son. Richard has talent, and he had a Daughter. She married Austin Dillons father, who doesn't have talent. Poor Austin was conceived too far removed from the talented sperm. :(
 
FenderBumper said:
Nice work. :rolleyes:

Now go back to sleep. :D
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Talking about AJ and the Dillons is a perfect way to fall asleep, I had completely forgotten that any of them still raced errrr.............. drove cars


YAAAAAAAAWN------------ carry on
 
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