Big changes coming

cheesepuffs said:
All I'm gonna say is this: dirt track racing is way more fun to watch than the average NASCAR race. Now the gap between the two is narrowed significantly. That my friend is a very good thing. Those who don't recognize it yet will get it and certainly warm up to it after the first month or so when they see how much better the quality of racing will be.
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Love me some dirt tracking, great point.

I hope you're right man.

Will this break up the commercials significantly? I mean considering that commercials usually takes up about 25% of a full race simulcast, so with the broken up segments this could lead that downtime to get the airtime necessary for the commercials out of the way that way it could lead to watching more live action... Okay, its starting to make some sense.
 
29-4 said:
Whelp, time to put my money where my mouth is. The very basis of what NASCAR has represented from the first race in 1949 has been destroyed. I will be finding a new way to spend my Sunday afternoons. Been nice knowing you guys over the past few years. Maybe I'll turn up on the IndyCar or F1 board sometime. Never thought I'd see the day where those series are more representative of pure competition.
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I sure hate to see you go but I completely understand your reasons why.
 
Kiante said:
Love me some dirt tracking, great point.

I hope you're right man.

Will this break up the commercials significantly? I mean considering that commercials usually takes up about 25% of a full race simulcast, so with the broken up segments this could lead that downtime to get the airtime necessary for the commercials out of the way that way it could lead to watching more live action... Okay, its starting to make some sense.
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What you said about commercials is exactly what they're aiming for. There will still be other commercials, but if you can get a good chunk of them done with during the segment breaks (when there's no action happening) then that means more action for us the viewers.
 
Should Jeff Gordon, Dale Junior, Brad Kesolowski, and Hamlin get future HoF vote deductions for being part of this crap?
 
How long are these segment breaks going to be? I don't see how they would take that many commercials away from the actual race unless the break is really long.
 
cheesepuffs said:
What you said about commercials is exactly what they're aiming for. There will still be other commercials, but if you can get a good chunk of them done with during the segment breaks (when there's no action happening) then that means more action for us the viewers.
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There is no way NBC is going to be happy with the viewing audience going to the bathroom and get more beer during the caution segment breaks. They are going to cram as many commercials in before the caution segment breaks.
 
29-4 said:
Whelp, time to put my money where my mouth is. The very basis of what NASCAR has represented from the first race in 1949 has been destroyed. I will be finding a new way to spend my Sunday afternoons. Been nice knowing you guys over the past few years. Maybe I'll turn up on the IndyCar or F1 board sometime. Never thought I'd see the day where those series are more representative of pure competition.
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Everybody, the sport has been constantly evolving since day one. The cars have changed dramatically. The points scale had changed all the time in the 50s and 60s. The rules have changed. The tracks and locations have changed. The media that covers it has changed.

If 2016 was fine for you but now 2017 is "not what was represented in 1949" (the first race was actually '48), then I've got news for you because even what you were watching in 1998 wasn't the same as they had in 1948.
 
LouieLouie said:
There is no way NBC is going to be happy with the viewing audience going to the bathroom and get more beer during the caution segment breaks. They are going to cram as many commercials in before the caution segment breaks.
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Yeah, let's condemn the networks as guilty until proven innocent, because that's a rational approach.
 
cheesepuffs said:
Everybody, the sport has been constantly evolving since day one. The cars have changed dramatically. The points scale had changed all the time in the 50s and 60s. The rules have changed. The tracks and locations have changed. The media that covers it has changed.

If 2016 was fine for you but now 2017 is "not what was represented in 1949" (the first race was actually '48), then I've got news for you because even what you were watching in 1998 wasn't the same as they had in 1948.
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It's not 2016 vs now. It's the constant fiddling that has gone on for ALMOST FIFTEEN YEARS. It wears on you.
 
cheesepuffs said:
Everybody, the sport has been constantly evolving since day one. The cars have changed dramatically. The points scale had changed all the time in the 50s and 60s. The rules have changed. The tracks and locations have changed. The media that covers it has changed.

If 2016 was fine for you but now 2017 is "not what was represented in 1949" (the first race was actually '48), then I've got news for you because even what you were watching in 1998 wasn't the same as they had in 1948.
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The sport is devolving now. There's a difference.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I was afraid it was gonna be heat races, caution clocks and timed races. Whew.
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Honest question: How could you (rightly) abhor the caution clock, but be relieved by this, what is essentially a red flag clock with forced restarts. Is it because there will be fewer of these breaks than would have been likely with a caution clock?
 
DUN24 said:
It's not 2016 vs now. It's the constant fiddling that has gone on for ALMOST FIFTEEN YEARS. It wears on you.
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Then try Indy, F1, IMSA, GRC, Pirelli World Challenge, World of Outlaws, ARCA, NHRA, boat racing, MX, MotoGP, or any other one of the numerous forms of motorsports.

What is keeping you people so attached to NASCAR if you don't like it anymore? I actually got sick of the sport in the Jimmie Johnson era, say from 2006 until 2012 and I literally just stopped watching and following. Completely. I got way more into F1 at that point. If you're sick of it then step away. Maybe coming back will help you appreciate it again like it did for me.
 
gnomesayin said:
Honest question: How could you (rightly) abhor the caution clock, but be relieved by this, what is essentially a red flag clock with forced restarts. Is it because there will be fewer of these breaks than would have been likely with a caution clock?
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The bonus points/reward system for performing in the regular season and throughout the duration of the whole race completely differentiates this from the lame duck caution clock.
 
cheesepuffs said:
Then try Indy, F1, IMSA, GRC, Pirelli World Challenge, World of Outlaws, ARCA, NHRA, boat racing, MX, MotoGP, or any other one of the numerous forms of motorsports.

What is keeping you people so attached to NASCAR if you don't like it anymore? I actually got sick of the sport in the Jimmie Johnson era, say from 2006 until 2012 and I literally just stopped watching and following. Completely. I got way more into F1 at that point. If you're sick of it then step away. Maybe coming back will help you appreciate it again like it did for me.
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I watch several forms of Motorsports. I've watched NASCAR since 94' religiously. It sucks, but I might have to step away depending on how obnoxious the first few of these races are.
 
Did I miss the part about there being red flags during the "breaks"?

Also, I'm on board with their changes they've made. I think it's a decent blend of season long accomplishment and playoff success. What I'm NOT looking forward to is listening to the idiot announcers on Fox, and Rick Allen (Bc I actually like Jeff Burton and Steve LeTarte) trying to explain it me every 20 minutes.
 
LouieLouie said:
You're right, after watching years of nasacar coverage there are suddenly going to be fewer commercials.
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Nobody said fewer commercials, but the placement will be different with a bunch of them occurring intentionally during the segment breaks before and/or after pit stops.

The networks and NASCAR are throwing you a bone and you're still being too stubborn.
 
29-4 said:
Whelp, time to put my money where my mouth is. The very basis of what NASCAR has represented from the first race in 1949 has been destroyed. I will be finding a new way to spend my Sunday afternoons. Been nice knowing you guys over the past few years. Maybe I'll turn up on the IndyCar or F1 board sometime. Never thought I'd see the day where those series are more representative of pure competition.
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I always assumed that under all that complaining, rationality was part of your makeup.

I suggest you give this a chance.
 
gnomesayin said:
Honest question: How could you (rightly) abhor the caution clock, but be relieved by this, what is essentially a red flag clock with forced restarts. Is it because there will be fewer of these breaks than would have been likely with a caution clock?
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Caution clocks don't enhance the racing the same way segments will. And, this doesn't completely eliminate strategy the way caution clocks do.
 
LouieLouie said:
You're right, after watching years of nasacar coverage there are suddenly going to be fewer commercials.
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There won't be fewer commercials. They will simply interrupt the competition to have commercial breaks. The time period for commercials will be the same.
 
cheesepuffs said:
Then try Indy, F1, IMSA, GRC, Pirelli World Challenge, World of Outlaws, ARCA, NHRA, boat racing, MX, MotoGP, or any other one of the numerous forms of motorsports.

What is keeping you people so attached to NASCAR if you don't like it anymore? I actually got sick of the sport in the Jimmie Johnson era, say from 2006 until 2012 and I literally just stopped watching and following. Completely. I got way more into F1 at that point. If you're sick of it then step away. Maybe coming back will help you appreciate it again like it did for me.
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Unfortunately, NASCAR and its media has had that same kind of cavalier attitude towards their fans the last 10-15 years. If you constantly tell people "if you don't like it, don't watch", they'll eventually take your advice.
 
LouieLouie said:
You're right, after watching years of nasacar coverage there are suddenly going to be fewer commercials.
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The built in TV timeouts, which is what they are, mean they will get some of the commercials out of the way during the intermissions.

BobbyFord said:
There won't be fewer commercials. They will simply interrupt the competition to have commercial breaks. The time period for commercials will be the same.
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Because NBC decides to interrupt the hockey game to have commercials instead of taking advantage of timeouts and intermissions and stuff. :rolleyes:

Fox has been asking for "TV timeouts" for years so they can have some built in commercial periods.
 
29-4 said:
The very basis of what NASCAR has represented from the first race in 1949 has been destroyed.
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Basically the same thing I said just before the 2004 season when the Chase was announced. Well, the Chase is still here and so am I. Personally I don't see this as that big a deal. Certainly nothing compared to be beginning of the Chase/Playoff Era.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The built in TV timeouts, which is what they are, mean they will get some of the commercials out of the way during the intermissions.



Because NBC decides to interrupt the hockey game to have commercials instead of taking advantage of timeouts and intermissions and stuff. :rolleyes:

Fox has been asking for "TV timeouts" for years so they can have some built in commercial periods.
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You and Brian keep believing that racing is the same as hockey.
 
At first glance this is an improvement. I still want to see the exact breakdown of the segment bonus points and how they carry over. I think it will improve the racing overall though.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The built in TV timeouts, which is what they are, mean they will get some of the commercials out of the way during the intermissions.



Because NBC decides to interrupt the hockey game to have commercials instead of taking advantage of timeouts and intermissions and stuff. :rolleyes:

Fox has been asking for "TV timeouts" for years so they can have some built in commercial periods.
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Stop using logic here, you know better than this.
 
There is the potential for "commercial creep" but if they can adopt the attitude that there will be no commercials when there is live action (like other sports) then we might see an improvement. You still might miss some action during cautions but there has to be a compromise somewhere.
 
Confirmed via Steve O'Donnell, cars stay on track/rolling between segments, caution laps count. No red flag, no pit road interview, none of that hyperbolic nonsense that someone pulled out of their hoo-ha earlier. Simply a competition caution, of sorts.
 
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