Big changes coming

DUN24 said:
"Glad I'll get rewarded for the whole race instead of just the finish" -Dale Jr.


************, do you know how races work?
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Dale Jr......what a freakin idiot.....guy has taken one to many hits on the noggin.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Excluding the 600, the endurance has been gone for years. If you want endurance, you're looking at the wrong series; probably the wrong form of racing.
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It's always been an endurance race.

You have to make it to the end to win. That's the entire point of a NASCAR race all forms.

Look at Michigan it grenades engines still.
Bristol and M'ville are hard on brakes and there are still failures.
Coke 600 is still difficult on equipment and drivers.
Southern 500 at Darlington is by far one of the most physically demanding circuits and hard on equipment.

You cannot take endurance our of the equation because failures are still bound to happen. No matter how "bulletproof" something is, it's still bound to failure. Yes, there are no where near the amount of engine failures as say like in the 90s'. Its still a possibility though and these segmented races negates pretty much any of the unexpected we used to see.

I'll give it a chance, but this idea of segmenting races is just not flying with me. Not yet at least.
 
ReturnTrip said:
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You forgot to carry the 2.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
Dale Jr......what a freakin idiot.....guy has taken one to many hits on the noggin.
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Meaning the bonus points you receive from the segments, it will definitely add up. Meaning being rewarded for an entire race and just not from start to finish with the occasional bonus point for leading a lap.

Its really not a silly statement.
 
LouieLouie said:
That's not how I understand it. You get 5 playoff points for winning a race and 40 points for the regular season. I don't think the regular season points carry over at all. Maybe I'm not understanding it correctly.
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I guess I misunderstood you actually. The bonus points are all the same all season, but yeah, of course the playoffs start without the regular season points counting. But all of the bonus points you've won through the regular season DO carry over and get added to your playoff points through the first three rounds (so until Homestead), meaning that getting a lot of bonus points helps you through the playoff process over your competitors that didn't earn as many bonus points as you. It's kind of like a way to seed the playoff field and reward strong regular season performance.
 
Kiante said:
It's always been an endurance race.

You have to make it to the end to win. That's the entire point of a NASCAR race all forms.

Look at Michigan it grenades engines still.
Bristol and M'ville are hard on brakes and there are still failures.
Coke 600 is still difficult on equipment and drivers.
Southern 500 at Darlington is by far one of the most physically demanding circuits and hard on equipment.

You cannot take endurance our of the equation because failures are still bound to happen. No matter how "bulletproof" something is, it's still bound to failure. Yes, there are no where near the amount of engine failures as say like in the 90s'. Its still a possibility though and these segmented races negates pretty much any of the unexpected we used to see.

I'll give it a chance, but this idea of segmenting races is just not flying with me. Not yet at least.
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Yeah, no, I disagree. The fact that you compared a NASCAR race to a 12 hour WEC race says something. They are not even close to the same thing. NASCAR is more about not overdriving the tires during the run than it is about saving engines.
 
Is this a sly attempt at shortening races? Or will the distances be the same with dumb breaks in the middle?

I may have missed that part.
 
Kiante said:
Meaning the bonus points you receive from the segments, it will definitely add up. Meaning being rewarded for an entire race and just not from start to finish with the occasional bonus point for leading a lap.

Its really not a silly statement.
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It is a silly format.
 
Kiante said:
It's always been an endurance race.

You have to make it to the end to win. That's the entire point of a NASCAR race all forms.

Look at Michigan it grenades engines still.
Bristol and M'ville are hard on brakes and there are still failures.
Coke 600 is still difficult on equipment and drivers.
Southern 500 at Darlington is by far one of the most physically demanding circuits and hard on equipment.

You cannot take endurance our of the equation because failures are still bound to happen. No matter how "bulletproof" something is, it's still bound to failure. Yes, there are no where near the amount of engine failures as say like in the 90s'. Its still a possibility though and these segmented races negates pretty much any of the unexpected we used to see.

I'll give it a chance, but this idea of segmenting races is just not flying with me. Not yet at least.
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I'll agree with you about the physical endurance, and maybe mechanical endurance at the 600. As to the rest, those things don't happen any where near as often as they did 15 years ago. I'd love to find some DNF numbers for comparison, but I think it's going to involve more than just a quick glance at Racing Reference.
 
Simple Fan said:
If a win gets you in the Chase I see no incentive in these bonus points.I don't understand how taking breaks from racing is going to do away with "boredom" either. If they are going to stop racing then the channel will probably change. I have no interest in mid race interviews as they already do them in car which is better in my opinion.
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Because now there are lots of chances to accumulate bonus points (running top 10 at segment ends, winning segments, winning races) and those bonus points stick with you allllll the way until Homestead. The bonus points you have get added to your normal points through the playoffs, so you get rewarded over your peers if you out ran them in the regular season by getting an edge on them through the playoffs. It's like seeding based off of regular season performance basically, whereas before the chase bonus points for winning races were only for the first round of the chase and then you lost them when you got to round two, so there wasn't nearly as much incentive to get there and far fewer opportunities to earn a bonus.
 
Whelp, time to put my money where my mouth is. The very basis of what NASCAR has represented from the first race in 1949 has been destroyed. I will be finding a new way to spend my Sunday afternoons. Been nice knowing you guys over the past few years. Maybe I'll turn up on the IndyCar or F1 board sometime. Never thought I'd see the day where those series are more representative of pure competition.
 
LouieLouie said:
no, but the playoff points carry over from the regular season and from each playoff race.
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Charlie Spencer said:
The resets will still happen, but the bonus points from the regular season will carry over to each round. Also, bonus points will be awarded for the playoff rounds and will also carry over.
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Even toward or carry over to the final homestead round?
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
It is a silly format.
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Silly format, yes.

I just don't see what was so wrong about his statement.

@cheesepuffs I see your point and I know they are different, but essentially this is my thing about it is that this is beyond of what any fan wanted. I think everyone on this forum, I think @AdoubleU24 hit the nail on the head with what we wanted to see. I guess this will knock out the idea of NASCAR being, "Boring and the same thing over and over." and kind of take a refreshed approach in terms of how a race is played out. Watching a car go 500 consecutive laps might be tiresome, so lets break it up to ensure that the fans are still interested?

I'm going to need to rewatch the thing, but will breaking up a race really keep fans interested? I just cannot see this outcome to work in NASCAR's favor.
 
Seems to me, this system is benefitting points racing. I expect Newman and Kenseth will be in the final 4, most likely without a win.
 
Kiante said:
Silly format, yes.

I just don't see what was so wrong about his statement.

@cheesepuffs I see your point and I know they are different, but essentially this is my thing about it is that this is beyond of what any fan wanted. I think everyone on this forum, I think @AdoubleU24 hit the nail on the head with what we wanted to see. I guess this will knock out the idea of NASCAR being, "Boring and the same thing over and over." and kind of take a refreshed approach in terms of how a race is played out. Watching a car go 500 consecutive laps might be tiresome, so lets break it up to ensure that the fans are still interested?

I'm going to need to rewatch the thing, but will breaking up a race really keep fans interested? I just cannot see this outcome to work in NASCAR's favor.
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All I'm gonna say is this: dirt track racing is way more fun to watch than the average NASCAR race. Now the gap between the two is narrowed significantly. That my friend is a very good thing. Those who don't recognize it yet will get it and certainly warm up to it after the first month or so when they see how much better the quality of racing will be.
 
29-4 said:
Whelp, time to put my money where my mouth is. The very basis of what NASCAR has represented from the first race in 1949 has been destroyed. I will be finding a new way to spend my Sunday afternoons. Been nice knowing you guys over the past few years. Maybe I'll turn up on the IndyCar or F1 board sometime. Never thought I'd see the day where those series are more representative of pure competition.
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:(
 
BobbyFord said:
Anyone care to make a wager regarding attendance and ratings?
Brian France just shot himself in the dick.
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Disagree. This is going to get ratings up again. It'll draw interest, people will want to investigate, and then they'll get hooked.
 
I haven't read everyones comment yet - that comes next- but I am pumped! Very enthusiastic about the restored importance of the regular season and emphasis of merit to advance through the chase.

My first blush... Best. Format. Ever.
 
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