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Stages to be 1/3 of the race each, means shorter final stage.

600 remains four stages.

Going back to halfway for complete race/rain policy.
 
In what sense would Next Gen be the deciding factor that pushes them to four stages?



 
If we're going to have breaks in the racing action, let's at least do it the way short tracks all across the nation do it. Take the 40 car field, divide it up with 20 cars each. You have Heat 1, Heat 2, top 10 of those two heats get into the main. Then you'll have a Last Chance Qualifier and the top 5 in that race gets into the main. You now have a 25 car field for the main event.

You can even add in points. For Heat 1 and 2, Top 10 gets points starting with 10 for first place, 9 points for second, so on and so on. LCQ first place gets 5 points, 2nd place gets 4 points and so on. Then all the cars that compete in the feature gets points. 25 points for the winner, 24 for second place, etc. etc.

It at least will make more sense than Stages, or quarters, or whatever bull**** they're trying to peddle.
 
If we're going to have breaks in the racing action, let's at least do it the way short tracks all across the nation do it. Take the 40 car field, divide it up with 20 cars each. You have Heat 1, Heat 2, top 10 of those two heats get into the main. Then you'll have a Last Chance Qualifier and the top 5 in that race gets into the main. You now have a 25 car field for the main event.

You can even add in points. For Heat 1 and 2, Top 10 gets points starting with 10 for first place, 9 points for second, so on and so on. LCQ first place gets 5 points, 2nd place gets 4 points and so on. Then all the cars that compete in the feature gets points. 25 points for the winner, 24 for second place, etc. etc.

It at least will make more sense than Stages, or quarters, or whatever bull**** they're trying to peddle.
They tried heats in the X series a couple of years ago. It fell flat. Teams just rode around saving their stuff for the A-Main. The effect was the same as if they'd just cut the original distance in half.

I like the idea but it didn't pan out.
 
They tried heats in the X series a couple of years ago. It fell flat. Teams just rode around saving their stuff for the A-Main. They might as well have just cut the race in half.

The problem with the Xfinity Series heat racing is that there was no chance of being eliminated and having to go home early. Everyone was guaranteed to make the main, the heats were basically group qualifying.
 
"There also was serious discussion of adding a fourth stage, but #nascar has tabled that dialogue until after the NextGen car rollout next season."

Gods, no. Are they trying to do away with green flag stops entirely?
 
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Help for the road courses

“At the road courses, there’s only one green flag stop that is necessary and that is in the third stage,” Miller said. “We’re talking about reducing the fuel cell capacity and creating some stage lengths that again create a green-flag stop in Stage 2 and Stage 3. Still some work to do there on particulars on the fuel cell and make sure that everything works with the industry. I think we will probably get there.”

https://nascar.nbcsports.com/2020/01/28/nascar-shortens-final-stage-for-several-cup-races/
 
Help for the road courses

“At the road courses, there’s only one green flag stop that is necessary and that is in the third stage,” Miller said. “We’re talking about reducing the fuel cell capacity and creating some stage lengths that again create a green-flag stop in Stage 2 and Stage 3. Still some work to do there on particulars on the fuel cell and make sure that everything works with the industry. I think we will probably get there.”

https://nascar.nbcsports.com/2020/01/28/nascar-shortens-final-stage-for-several-cup-races/
Allowing stops only under green would fix that at all tracks.
 
“We’re talking about reducing the fuel cell capacity and creating some stage lengths that again create a green-flag stop in Stage 2 and Stage 3. Still some work to do there on particulars on the fuel cell and make sure that everything works with the industry. I think we will probably get there.”

https://nascar.nbcsports.com/2020/01/28/nascar-shortens-final-stage-for-several-cup-races/

Cost cutter here.

Except for the heavy money ... those teams will re-run all their sims and head to the wind/cash tunnel to generate data relevant to the reduced weight hanging behind the rear wheels. Half a dozen of each for full tank / new tires, half-tank / still some left tires, and of course just about empty tank / rags. I could go on.

Ricardo might have to sell the 001 'Vette.
 
Cost cutter here.

Except for the heavy money ... those teams will re-run all their sims and head to the wind/cash tunnel to generate data relevant to the reduced weight hanging behind the rear wheels. Half a dozen of each for full tank / new tires, half-tank / still some left tires, and of course just about empty tank / rags. I could go on.

Ricardo might have to sell the 001 'Vette.
Wind tunnel folks need to make money too.
 
Cost cutter here.

Except for the heavy money ... those teams will re-run all their sims and head to the wind/cash tunnel to generate data relevant to the reduced weight hanging behind the rear wheels. Half a dozen of each for full tank / new tires, half-tank / still some left tires, and of course just about empty tank / rags. I could go on.

Ricardo might have to sell the 001 'Vette.

Probably will have more to do with when to pit than anything else.
 
Eh in road racing I believe the driver plays a larger role than the oval stuff. Look at what Elliott did, quiet as it has been kept, he is one hell of a road racer IMO. That and hopefully strategy if they fix it somehow. The stages took most of that out,,and they know it.
 
So you're thinking the teams would bolt in the smaller cells and call it a day?

Is that the point you're making?
 
So you're thinking the teams would bolt in the smaller cells and call it a day?

Is that the point you're making?
Trying to put words in my mouth again. All things being fairly equal, pit strategy and time in and out, adjustments during the race, and green flag pit stops/ cautions will all be in play AND good road racing drivers. I happen to think the driver and race strategy is the most important and if Nascar gets it right, the gerbils heads will explode.
 
In what sense would Next Gen be the deciding factor that pushes them to four stages?





I was about to express my surprise that they haven't already added at least an additional stage break to each event. But it's coming.
 
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Trying to put words in my mouth again. All things being fairly equal, pit strategy and time in and out, adjustments during the race, and green flag pit stops/ cautions will all be in play AND good road racing drivers. I happen to think the driver and race strategy is the most important and if Nascar gets it right, the gerbils heads will explode.
No, I am not trying to put words in your mouth. There are a sufficient number of those in there already.

I posted about things mechanical that I know will ensue if the rules mandate smaller cells.

I agree that strategy and “good” road course drivers are both important factors. If you have a tenth and a half on the field and qualify up front your strategy starts from a position of strength.

Don’t shout at me. And while I’m here I’ll point to a remark you made to me a month ago. I’m sure you remember. I ignored it. I won’t be doing that again.
 
No, I am not trying to put words in your mouth. There are a sufficient number of those in there already.

I posted about things mechanical that I know will ensue if the rules mandate smaller cells.

I agree that strategy and “good” road course drivers are both important factors. If you have a tenth and a half on the field and qualify up front your strategy starts from a position of strength.

Don’t shout at me. And while I’m here I’ll point to a remark you made to me a month ago. I’m sure you remember. I ignored it. I won’t be doing that again.

what would be any different than preparation teams did last year. Wind tunnel, figured fuel etc?
 
what would be any different than preparation teams did last year. Wind tunnel, figured fuel etc?
65 - 70 fewer pounds of fuel, canister, bladder and bracketry. In the racing business, as you are aware, that is a “ton” of weight.

The location of said weight significantly changes the centre of gravity, the polar moment of inertia and the aerodynamic centre of pressure, among other things.

Hendrick has a VIMM machine capable of recording a change in COG caused by moving the driver’s drinks bottle. Starcom and their peers do not. That was my point ...
 
65 - 70 fewer pounds of fuel, canister, bladder and bracketry. In the racing business, as you are aware, that is a “ton” of weight.

The location of said weight significantly changes the centre of gravity, the polar moment of inertia and the aerodynamic centre of pressure, among other things.

Hendrick has a VIMM machine capable of recording a change in COG caused by moving the driver’s drinks bottle. Starcom and their peers do not. That was my point ...

Oh I thought you said sarcastically, cost cutter here. I don't see any difference in what the top teams will usually do to prepare for a road race. I doubt they will be changing just left sides on a road course, but ya never know.
 
A rule change that removes and relocates that much weight adds cost.

That’s why I made the cutting remark.
 
Lol these people change **** more than they change their damn underwear.
The fact that even considered it is scary, which means at some point in future they will probably add it, for some reason, the people running NASCAR have what seems like a giant hard on to make like it stick&ball sports the best they can.

After the 4th stage is added, they will probably give each team a time out , or caution out they can use to their advantage.
 
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