Stage changes

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by AndyMarquisLive, Jan 28, 2020.

  1. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    Stages to be 1/3 of the race each, means shorter final stage.

    600 remains four stages.

    Going back to halfway for complete race/rain policy.
     
  2. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    Ooooo, yippy skippy!!!
     
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  3. MRM

    MRM Team Owner

    Need to eliminate stages on road courses.
     
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  4. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses.

  5. SpeedPagan

    SpeedPagan The iRacing Guru

    Need to eliminate stages all together.
     
  6. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    Matt Weaver's Twitter.
     
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  7. acmerocket

    acmerocket Team Owner

    i keep saying ,to give stage points ,but dont stop the dam race to do it!!!!!!!!
     
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  8. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    In what sense would Next Gen be the deciding factor that pushes them to four stages?



     
  9. SpeedPagan

    SpeedPagan The iRacing Guru

    If we're going to have breaks in the racing action, let's at least do it the way short tracks all across the nation do it. Take the 40 car field, divide it up with 20 cars each. You have Heat 1, Heat 2, top 10 of those two heats get into the main. Then you'll have a Last Chance Qualifier and the top 5 in that race gets into the main. You now have a 25 car field for the main event.

    You can even add in points. For Heat 1 and 2, Top 10 gets points starting with 10 for first place, 9 points for second, so on and so on. LCQ first place gets 5 points, 2nd place gets 4 points and so on. Then all the cars that compete in the feature gets points. 25 points for the winner, 24 for second place, etc. etc.

    It at least will make more sense than Stages, or quarters, or whatever bull**** they're trying to peddle.
     
  10. AdoubleU24

    AdoubleU24 Team Owner

    Lol these people change **** more than they change their damn underwear.
     
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  11. SpeedPagan

    SpeedPagan The iRacing Guru

    That because none of the changes will stand the test of time.
     
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  12. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses.

    They tried heats in the X series a couple of years ago. It fell flat. Teams just rode around saving their stuff for the A-Main. The effect was the same as if they'd just cut the original distance in half.

    I like the idea but it didn't pan out.
     
  13. SpeedPagan

    SpeedPagan The iRacing Guru

    The problem with the Xfinity Series heat racing is that there was no chance of being eliminated and having to go home early. Everyone was guaranteed to make the main, the heats were basically group qualifying.
     
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  14. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

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  15. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses.

    "There also was serious discussion of adding a fourth stage, but #nascar has tabled that dialogue until after the NextGen car rollout next season."

    Gods, no. Are they trying to do away with green flag stops entirely?
     
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  16. StandOnIt

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  17. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Help for the road courses

    “At the road courses, there’s only one green flag stop that is necessary and that is in the third stage,” Miller said. “We’re talking about reducing the fuel cell capacity and creating some stage lengths that again create a green-flag stop in Stage 2 and Stage 3. Still some work to do there on particulars on the fuel cell and make sure that everything works with the industry. I think we will probably get there.”

    https://nascar.nbcsports.com/2020/01/28/nascar-shortens-final-stage-for-several-cup-races/
     
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  18. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    I will adjust bathroom and refrigerator breaks accordingly.
     
  19. StandOnIt

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  20. SpeedPagan

    SpeedPagan The iRacing Guru

    I thought the end of Stage 2 was the halfway point of the race.
     
  21. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    That's for 4 stages.

    With 22 stages, halfway would be halfway or at the end of stage 11 ... will adjust that from week to week or not.
     
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  22. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses.

    Allowing stops only under green would fix that at all tracks.
     
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  23. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    there is a chart above?
     
  24. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses.

    No, many races had the second stage ending past the halfway lap. This gas been the case since the stages were implemented. Some had the second stage ending at halfway, but most went past midway.
     
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  25. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    Cost cutter here.

    Except for the heavy money ... those teams will re-run all their sims and head to the wind/cash tunnel to generate data relevant to the reduced weight hanging behind the rear wheels. Half a dozen of each for full tank / new tires, half-tank / still some left tires, and of course just about empty tank / rags. I could go on.

    Ricardo might have to sell the 001 'Vette.
     
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  26. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses.

    Wind tunnel folks need to make money too.
     
  27. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    Gene Haas mit der rolling floor.

    2K an hour. Runs all night most of the time.
     
  28. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Probably will have more to do with when to pit than anything else.
     
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  29. Mispeedway15

    Mispeedway15 Team Owner

    I actually like the stages a lot when attending. Allows for planned bathroom breaks and what not
     
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  30. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    Probably.

    When they stop looking for hundredths it'll be because auto racing has been banned.
     
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  31. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Eh in road racing I believe the driver plays a larger role than the oval stuff. Look at what Elliott did, quiet as it has been kept, he is one hell of a road racer IMO. That and hopefully strategy if they fix it somehow. The stages took most of that out,,and they know it.
     
  32. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    So you're thinking the teams would bolt in the smaller cells and call it a day?

    Is that the point you're making?
     
  33. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Trying to put words in my mouth again. All things being fairly equal, pit strategy and time in and out, adjustments during the race, and green flag pit stops/ cautions will all be in play AND good road racing drivers. I happen to think the driver and race strategy is the most important and if Nascar gets it right, the gerbils heads will explode.
     
  34. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    I was about to express my surprise that they haven't already added at least an additional stage break to each event. But it's coming.
     
    Last edited: Jan 29, 2020
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  35. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    No, I am not trying to put words in your mouth. There are a sufficient number of those in there already.

    I posted about things mechanical that I know will ensue if the rules mandate smaller cells.

    I agree that strategy and “good” road course drivers are both important factors. If you have a tenth and a half on the field and qualify up front your strategy starts from a position of strength.

    Don’t shout at me. And while I’m here I’ll point to a remark you made to me a month ago. I’m sure you remember. I ignored it. I won’t be doing that again.
     
  36. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    what would be any different than preparation teams did last year. Wind tunnel, figured fuel etc?
     
  37. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    65 - 70 fewer pounds of fuel, canister, bladder and bracketry. In the racing business, as you are aware, that is a “ton” of weight.

    The location of said weight significantly changes the centre of gravity, the polar moment of inertia and the aerodynamic centre of pressure, among other things.

    Hendrick has a VIMM machine capable of recording a change in COG caused by moving the driver’s drinks bottle. Starcom and their peers do not. That was my point ...
     
  38. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Oh I thought you said sarcastically, cost cutter here. I don't see any difference in what the top teams will usually do to prepare for a road race. I doubt they will be changing just left sides on a road course, but ya never know.
     
  39. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    A rule change that removes and relocates that much weight adds cost.

    That’s why I made the cutting remark.
     
  40. jws926

    jws926 I need to think of something new for here

    The fact that even considered it is scary, which means at some point in future they will probably add it, for some reason, the people running NASCAR have what seems like a giant hard on to make like it stick&ball sports the best they can.

    After the 4th stage is added, they will probably give each team a time out , or caution out they can use to their advantage.
     
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