Ryan Newman and Matt Kenseth receive playoff waivers.

Newman makes sense, if waivers are going to be a thing.

Kenseth doesn't make a lick of sense and proves again NASCAR is willing to use their "discretion" to tip the scales in the direction they want it to go without any internal logic.

They will say it was due to "extraordinary circumstances", and that's pretty much the description of 2020. One long extraordinary circumstance. So who really cares I guess.

Maybe just end the waiver charade and go with the top 30 requirement across the board. @FLRacingFan is right that nobody is going to voluntarily skip races, especially with the charter requirements and how TV money works.
 
I’m thinking Matt got one mainly so the 42 could still have a run at it. But I agree with the getting rid of the rule thing. Either way, at least it was only 4 races Matt missed.
 
Just when NASCAR starts to act with credibility again, they go and do something like this. I'm not a believer in the waiver rule in the first place, and getting one just because you hired an idiot for a driver and were forced to fire him is NOT a valid reason to get one. Just exactly WHERE does it end with that kind of reasoning?
 
Whats the big deal? They have the majority of the season to go and both will have to make it in. Its no gimmie.
Tough times, and they all have to work together to keep the show on the road. Chip shouldn't have to pay the price for what his driver did off the racetrack. That's dumb. Injuries already have precidents with drivers missing races and allowed to get waivers.
 
Tough times, and they all have to work together to keep the show on the road. Chip shouldn't have to pay the price for what his driver did off the racetrack. That's dumb. Injuries already have precidents with drivers missing races and allowed to get waivers.
Yeah I'd like to know why Chip hired an "idiot for a driver". He should have known everything that would come out of his mouth.
 
Yeah I'd like to know why Chip hired an "idiot for a driver". He should have known everything that would come out of his mouth.

Funny watching people who bitch about charters and how it makes the sport less inclusive bitching about Matt Kenseth getting a waiver to race for the championship.
 
Newman makes sense, if waivers are going to be a thing.

Kenseth doesn't make a lick of sense and proves again NASCAR is willing to use their "discretion" to tip the scales in the direction they want it to go without any internal logic.

They will say it was due to "extraordinary circumstances", and that's pretty much the description of 2020. One long extraordinary circumstance. So who really cares I guess.

Maybe just end the waiver charade and go with the top 30 requirement across the board. @FLRacingFan is right that nobody is going to voluntarily skip races, especially with the charter requirements and how TV money works.

Tipping the scales without any internal logic? Internal logic is helping one of your long-running teams in the sport retain valuable sponsorship as to not have a solid car or potentially a whole organization drop out of the field. What happened with Larson is unprecedented and was certainly an extraordinary circumstance.

Also think of all the employees at CGR that work their tails off building and preparing those 42 cars every week. They didn’t do anything wrong. Is it fair to strip them of their shot at the playoffs? NASCAR is a team sport and this whole decision goes deeper than just Larson and Kenseth, despite us seeing only their faces in the media.
 
Tipping the scales without any internal logic? Internal logic is helping one of your long-running teams in the sport retain valuable sponsorship as to not have a solid car or potentially a whole organization drop out of the field. What happened with Larson is unprecedented and was certainly an extraordinary circumstance.

Also think of all the employees at CGR that work their tails off building and preparing those 42 cars every week. They didn’t do anything wrong. Is it fair to strip them of their shot at the playoffs? NASCAR is a team sport and this whole decision goes deeper than just Larson and Kenseth, despite us seeing only their faces in the media.

Internal logic regarding consistent rules and procedures.

I'm not overly concerned about it, but I will point out the subjectivity and selectivity. As I said, it's a show.

Good to see you back.
 
Totally agree about it being a show and NASCAR is obviously going to try to be the best entertainment promoter they can be.

And thanks, good to be back. Only thing is the site is super slow for me now. Is anybody else experiencing that?
 
Tipping the scales without any internal logic? Internal logic is helping one of your long-running teams in the sport retain valuable sponsorship as to not have a solid car or potentially a whole organization drop out of the field. What happened with Larson is unprecedented and was certainly an extraordinary circumstance.

Also think of all the employees at CGR that work their tails off building and preparing those 42 cars every week. They didn’t do anything wrong. Is it fair to strip them of their shot at the playoffs? NASCAR is a team sport and this whole decision goes deeper than just Larson and Kenseth, despite us seeing only their faces in the media.
Wins the thread ^^^
 
Why SHOULDN'T Matt Kenseth get a waiver?

Truthfully, I don't believe in the "run all 36 races" rule to start with.

You start that, and you will get the racing version of the PGA where you pay big money to attend so you can watch guys you have hardly heard of trying to break into the top 125 while Tiger, Phil, Rory and company are at home sitting on the beach. Think John Deere Open.
 
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They gave Kyle Busch a waiver for missing 11 races.

Anything goes.

As much as I didn't like that, at least that was for a reason that was stipulated when the rule was put in place. NASCAR just pulled one out of their ass with the Kenseth ruling. Just as in regular life, none of these rulings happen in a vacuum and it's NEVER the end of something, only the begining. Just wait and see what stupid ass reasons will be given for seeking waivers going forward.
 
As much as I didn't like that, at least that was for a reason that was stipulated when the rule was put in place. NASCAR just pulled one out of their ass with the Kenseth ruling. Just as in regular life, none of these rulings happen in a vacuum and it's NEVER the end of something, only the begining. Just wait and see what stupid ass reasons will be given for seeking waivers going forward.
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I found that just surviving was a noble fight
I once believed in causes too
I had my pointless point of view
And life went on no matter who was wrong or right
 
No surprise that Newman got one, and was sort of shocked that Matt got one, but like what's been pointed out, its more about the team/sponsor , and for that, agree with NASCAR's decision .
 
As much as I didn't like that, at least that was for a reason that was stipulated when the rule was put in place. NASCAR just pulled one out of their ass with the Kenseth ruling. Just as in regular life, none of these rulings happen in a vacuum and it's NEVER the end of something, only the begining. Just wait and see what stupid ass reasons will be given for seeking waivers going forward.

NASCAR literally calls it the “Except In Rare Circumstances clause”. How is this not a rare circumstance? Also if Matt can win a race (after having four less opportunities to do so) and make the top 30 in points (also having had less opportunities to score them in the first place) then why shouldn’t he be let in? That would be doing more with less. Again, that is taking a harder path to get to the playoffs, not an easier one.
 
I believe I've passed the age of consciousness and righteous rage
I found that just surviving was a noble fight
I once believed in causes too
I had my pointless point of view
And life went on no matter who was wrong or right


That pretty much summarizes this whole forum, so why we just shut the thing down and walk away? I love it how some people think their point of view is the ONLY one that has any value. I might disagree with your opinion, but I'm NEVER going to fault you for having one...........
 
You start that, and you will get the racing version of the PGA where you pay big money to attend so you can watch guys you have hardly heard of trying to break into the top 125 while Tiger, Phil, Rory and company are at home sitting on the beach. Think John Deere Open.

NASCAR drivers aren't staying at home willfully. Too many sponsorship commitments, plus these guys are born racers who will race any chance they get.

Plus, this sport doesn't have a Tiger Woods right now. Kevin Harvick, Kyle Busch, Joey Logano, and Chase Elliott aren't going to move the needle that much.
 
NASCAR literally calls it the “Except In Rare Circumstances clause”. How is this not a rare circumstance? Also if Matt can win a race (after having four less opportunities to do so) and make the top 30 in points (also having had less opportunities to score them in the first place) then why shouldn’t he be let in? That would be doing more with less. Again, that is taking a harder path to get to the playoffs, not an easier one.

Drivers get fired or leave rides all the time. the ONLY thing different here is the REASON the driver got fired, and that shouldn't have anything to do with anything.
 
NASCAR drivers aren't staying at home willfully. Too many sponsorship commitments, plus these guys are born racers who will race any chance they get.

Plus, this sport doesn't have a Tiger Woods right now. Kevin Harvick, Kyle Busch, Joey Logano, and Chase Elliott aren't going to move the needle that much.

So why are we talking about running less than 36 races if everybody wants to has to show up every week?
 
Drivers get fired or leave rides all the time. the ONLY thing different here is the REASON the driver got fired, and that shouldn't have anything to do with anything.

Give me one normal circumstance where a driver got routinely fired, missed races, and then went on to be granted a waiver by NASCAR.
 
So why are we talking about running less than 36 races if everybody wants to has to show up every week?

You weren’t replying to me, but still I want to say: we are discussing rare circumstances that were the root cause of a driver missing races. For instance, Kyle Busch was, you know, in physical rehab.
 
Because I think the option to sit out a race, for whatever reason, should be there.

So how is that different than the PGA then? I spend hundreds of dollars and take time off work to go see the Golden Widget 500, only to find out my favorite driver decided to take the week off.
 
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