23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

So far there isn't one person who has came forward and said we tried to start a racing series and Nascar stopped us. But there has been a we started a racing series and nobody came lol.
 


This jackass is used when convenient, but when it doesn't support the narrative....you know....The ole Felon is letting MJ do the dirty work for him.
 
Hotrod said:
F1, IMSA, IndyCar, I guess throw AMA in there to,
have all gone through these gyrations and came out
the other end. NASCAR will change somewhat after
this but I would really be surprised if it was
blown up and ended as we know it. Too many
rich people in and near the sport to let that happen.
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I will speak for IndyCar.....what happened to them was more than a gyration.....it changed the sport forever.....remember, CART had grown to huge proportions before it all went to ****.
 
Revman said:
I will speak for IndyCar.....what happened to them was more than a gyration.....it changed the sport forever.....remember, CART had grown to huge proportions before it all went to ****.
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That story wasn't allowed to be told by judge Bell either BTW.
 
StandOnIt said:
That story wasn't allowed to be told by judge Bell either BTW.
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That's right, because it isn't pertinent to the trial. And again, it isn't Judge Bell's job to let NASCAR tell whatever story it wants. It is Judge Bell's job as the judge to keep them focused on relevant factors in the trial specific to them. You open it up to be a discussion about the CART/IRL split, you're inherently making it a discussion about why CART came into existence too. None of that matters in specific relation to anything about NASCAR here.
 
virtualbalboa said:
That's right, because it isn't pertinent to the trial. And again, it isn't Judge Bell's job to let NASCAR tell whatever story it wants. It is Judge Bell's job as the judge to keep them focused on relevant factors in the trial specific to them. You open it up to be a discussion about the CART/IRL split, you're inherently making it a discussion about why CART came into existence too. None of that matters in specific relation to anything about NASCAR here.
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You don't know if it was or wasn't...
 
StandOnIt said:
You don't know if it was or wasn't...
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Even if it ultimately revealed that NASCAR was funneling support to Tony George because they knew it would blow up Indycar and benefit the Frances, it still wouldn't matter because the trial is specifically about major league stock car racing. And as you keep pointing out so deftly for me, the teams haven't indicated that they had any intention of starting a competing series. NASCAR has indicated they made a plan to lock out every team owner, however.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Better late than never. The longer this dragged on the worse it would get for everybody involved. Sounds like Jim France’s “performance” on the stand was enough to realize that.

Have to imagine charter permanence will be one of the key details in the deal.
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Considering that it was part of the prior deal when NASCAR arguably had more leverage than now? Yeah, I'm sure that's there along with an increase to the money that the teams will receive from NASCAR. That's what they wanted, not a breakaway series to run SMI ovals or whatever other fantasy people had in mind that would have resulted in Jordan spending hundreds of millions of dollars instead of tens of millions.
 
virtualbalboa said:
It's not Bell's job to let NASCAR "present their case" and that contract you keep talking about doesn't justify anticompetitive behavior. At all.
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Every corporation ever found in violation of antitrust law could have truthfully stated that their illegal anticompetitive practices allowed them to maximize revenues. That has no bearing on whether they were illegal or not. It is not a valid defense. Therefore it is irrelevant.

The Sherman Act contains no exception for a monopoly to declare "We're just doing what is best for everyone, trust us bro."
 
FLRacingFan said:
Better late than never. The longer this dragged on the worse it would get for everybody involved. Sounds like Jim France’s “performance” on the stand was enough to realize that.

Have to imagine charter permanence will be one of the key components of the deal.
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I should have kept up with the news before posting more lol.
 
Alright, given what we've all seen in this trial and that we all know that Jim France was the obstacle to the charter negotiations, is there anyone at all who actually believes that the settlement wasn't largely influenced by Jim France finally going up on the stand and s#itting the bed in front of the world? This dude wound up dragging his family and his company through the mud for months and for what? It's obvious he wanted this trial and thought it was going to go his way like everything else in his life.

I would personally love to hear a defense of Jim France's management of NASCAR through this and up to this point. Would be fascinating.
 
Gee I wonder which side felt like they were losing the case and finally made further concessions to settle. Better late than never though. This is what was always best for all parties.
 
virtualbalboa said:
Considering that it was part of the prior deal when NASCAR arguably had more leverage than now? Yeah, I'm sure that's there along with an increase to the money that the teams will receive from NASCAR. That's what they wanted, not a breakaway series to run SMI ovals or whatever other fantasy people had in mind that would have resulted in Jordan spending hundreds of millions of dollars instead of tens of millions.
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For the shills upset by permanent charters, It's been suggested, being permanent means everyone is essentially in the same boat. If the series profits, every boat floats. If it doesn't everyone takes that hit. The Teams/owners just want the oppertunity to sail. Sure appears as though Nascar kept pulling their drain plug and even occasionally unplugging their sump pump.
 
gnomesayin said:
Gee I wonder which side felt like they were losing the case and finally made further concessions to settle. Better late than never though. This is what was always best for all parties.
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Kinda depends on what they settled for wouldn't ya say? Considering that nobody knows right now what was agreed to lol.
 
gnomesayin said:
Gee I wonder which side felt like they were losing the case and finally made further concessions to settle. Better late than never though. This is what was always best for all parties.
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The nice part about the NDAs related to this (which I'm sure won't be broken by NASCAR this time LOLOLOL) is that they allow the people who want to believe they some how masterfully pulled off a victory to believe this in spite of the litany of evidence to the contrary. Like, really, they got all the way through the Plaintiff's arguments that had team owners and major sponsors howling mad and then they won just before making their own arguments and calling up Hendrick and Penske to the stand? L-O-F'N-L.
 
It seems as if everyone's happy... except one guy...

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RC saw Steve Phelps in court, turned to Judge Bell, and said "Hold my watch."
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