23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

Well, NASCAR and their defenders have been in here for a minute saying that the teams need to cut costs. The top line cost for just about every business is personnel. My guess is they're mostly happy to not be as concerned about laying people off. In fact, they're more likely now to need more staff.
Oh don’t worry…BIG spender Denny “BIG CHEESE BUSINESS GURU” Hamcrap has a bonanza spread laid out for him after this. No longer must he worry that his excesses can’t get covered by revenues. My bet is they throw another massive New Year’s party using 25% of the settlement, since “they take care of their people”……

Now, reality dose here folks….I’m glad this is over, I’m glad these teams are going to have a better position relative to revenue streams, and I’m even glad the employees at Cabal Central will continue to have their jobs in this sport. We all love racing, and I’m wanting the best for the NASCAR series. I continue to despise Hampuke and all the nut job self possessed garbage he brings to the table. I hope this doesn’t ultimately create a huge barrier to entry for future race teams due to charter cost. I also hope ALL TEAMS understand that this thing can slide backwards badly if they keep beating up on NASCAR and the France family. They deserve their lumps for making this worse, but everybody now has to kiss, make up, and get back in the station wagon. The sport of “premier stock car racing” has a lot of headwinds now and more coming. It’s going to be challenging to grow, and vital to stop the slide of fans and viewership. The next TV contract could be much lower relative to this one.
 
The question has to be asked is when JGR will cut ties with Denny: sometime soon or after this coming season? Denny made them all look bad and I can't imagine him being an employee of JGR much longer.
Denny made them look bad? How so? My limited memory seems to recall, Heather Gibbs, wife to the late Coy Gibbs and officer of JGR, was in favor or teams owning charters. Seems to me she sent a letter stating such. I'm at a loss how this makes them or Denny look bad.
 
Hey NASCAR, this would be a good time to announce your new point system and championship format. You know, give the talking heads (and Twitterville) something else to talk about other than your embarrassing capitulation on the antitrust lawsuit.
 
At this point, we don't know (and may never know) what was in the agreement, there could be a cost cap in it! Supposedly the teams wanted one.
 
Hey NASCAR, this would be a good time to announce your new point system and championship format. You know, give the talking heads (and Twitterville) something else to talk about other than your embarrassing capitulation on the antitrust lawsuit.
PR standard operating procedures are to lay low, wait a while, let people forget a bit (that Michigan football HC scandal should help), and then at a later date...say after New Years set the points & Championship rules.
 
Oh don’t worry…BIG spender Denny “BIG CHEESE BUSINESS GURU” Hamcrap has a bonanza spread laid out for him after this. No longer must he worry that his excesses can’t get covered by revenues. My bet is they throw another massive New Year’s party using 25% of the settlement, since “they take care of their people”……

Now, reality dose here folks….I’m glad this is over, I’m glad these teams are going to have a better position relative to revenue streams, and I’m even glad the employees at Cabal Central will continue to have their jobs in this sport. We all love racing, and I’m wanting the best for the NASCAR series. I continue to despise Hampuke and all the nut job self possessed garbage he brings to the table. I hope this doesn’t ultimately create a huge barrier to entry for future race teams due to charter cost. I also hope ALL TEAMS understand that this thing can slide backwards badly if they keep beating up on NASCAR and the France family. They deserve their lumps for making this worse, but everybody now has to kiss, make up, and get back in the station wagon. The sport of “premier stock car racing” has a lot of headwinds now and more coming. It’s going to be challenging to grow, and vital to stop the slide of fans and viewership. The next TV contract could be much lower relative to this one.
Denny Time All Da Time

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Would someone remind me what the three-strikes rule is?

Thanks.
From Jordan Bianchi in the Athletic/NYT:

Under the previous charter agreement, which expired at the end of the 2024 NASCAR season, teams could issue a “strike” whenever NASCAR instituted a rules change they didn’t like. Over the span of the agreement, first enacted in 2016, any team that issued three strikes then had the ability to race in a competing series without punishment.

At the behest of NASCAR, and to the dismay of the teams, the “three-strike rule” was removed from the 2025 charter agreement. That rule will now be reinserted, those sources say, though expanded to five strikes.
 
Maybe they should come up with another name for it. Five strikes doesn't exactly make any sense, unless we're moving to bowling analogies. Maybe the teams should negotiate to get spares too.
 
Maybe they should come up with another name for it. Five strikes doesn't exactly make any sense, unless we're moving to bowling analogies. Maybe the teams should negotiate to get spares too.
It doesn't make any difference if they can't even agree as to what a strike is. In the past the couldn't even determine what was a strike and what wasn't
 
No one really got their ass kicked here, they came to a settlement that seems to work for both sides, NASCAR even gets more off the sales now, so they got something in this. I'm good with the outcome we got.

The major points of the settlement are everything the teams were asking for in negotiations from the start and were refused. The settlement definitely favors one side more than the other. But it's good for all that it's over, and everyone can pull in the same direction for a while.
 
Well worth reading... Jeff Gluck's perspective on what MJ has accomplished for the benefit of the entire stock car racing industry.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6882918/2025/12/11/michael-jordan-nascar-settlement-trial-legend/

Michael Jordan was already a basketball legend. Now, he’s one in NASCAR too.​

CHARLOTTE, N.C. — For nine straight chilly mornings, the black SUVs would roll up to a federal courthouse in uptown Charlotte and a GOAT would emerge.

Michael Jordan, often sporting a plaid suit and carrying a tan coffee cup, would saunter through the unseasonably cold air of his home state toward the courthouse steps — occasionally lobbing some light-hearted banter at media members along the way.

Once inside, Jordan would not leave for more than eight hours.

Each day, the NBA legend sat in the same spot on a wooden bench in a historic 1930s courtroom, glued to the trial revolving around the antitrust lawsuit his race team and one other had brought against NASCAR, accusing the stock car series of illegal monopolistic conduct.

Let’s not kid ourselves: As much as other key players were involved, such as Jordan’s 23XI Racing co-owner Denny Hamlin and Front Row Motorsports owner Bob Jenkins, this trial was so much about Jordan vs. NASCAR.

Without his deep pockets to fund massive legal fees, without his willingness to engage NASCAR’s founding France family in legal combat as no one had done before, and without his insatiable appetite for winning, this lawsuit would have never happened.

All along, Jordan insisted he was here to strengthen NASCAR and form a partnership, not tear it apart. Jordan wanted change, he said, and he was willing to do whatever it took to achieve it — even if it meant risking his race team’s existence.

After Thursday, that mission has been accomplished. NASCAR will never be the same
after settlement terms were reached that give teams permanent charters — similar to franchises in other major league sports.

While there’s no question Jordan will always be most known for the impact he had on basketball, he can now add NASCAR to the list of sports for which he will be regarded as a historic figure.

The victory he achieved Thursday was that significant for stock car racing.


Previously, team owners paid tens of millions of dollars for licenses — the charters — that would allow cars to participate in every NASCAR Cup Series race and were accompanied by guaranteed payouts (approximately $12.5 million per year). Except the charters would expire after a certain number of years if the teams did not agree to new financial terms with NASCAR, a monopoly, as the judge in this case ruled, which could essentially dictate take-it-or-leave-it offers.

When such an offer did occur in September 2024, 13 of NASCAR’s 15 charter team owners felt pressured into signing the deal — some agonizing over what felt like a “gun to the head” moment, testimony showed. They felt their only choice was to sign the agreement or go out of business, and many had decades of family investment into their teams.

But 23XI and Front Row held out and brought a lawsuit to challenge what they saw as NASCAR’s anticompetitive conduct, instead of signing the deal. The trial tore NASCAR apart over the last two weeks and revealed damaging communications from executives, as well as the previously secret finances of the France family, while destabilizing NASCAR’s leadership structure.

While it should come as no surprise that Jordan ultimately prevailed — he knows a thing or two about winning, after all — the settlement didn’t only benefit 23XI and Front Row. As of Thursday, all teams will receive those same charter agreement terms, meaning Jordan, Hamlin and Jenkins just handed permanent franchises to the entire Cup Series garage.

You can guess what will happen now. With non-expiring charters, investors will line up to buy into assets that are currently undervalued based on their previously uncertain lifespans. There’s no reason charter values shouldn’t double (or more) in the next few years, with the promise they won’t expire.

There are other financial benefits headed the teams’ way as well, rewards that can be traced back to Jordan’s determination to fight for what he believed in.

What do you get as a thank-you gift for the GOAT who has everything? Perhaps some acknowledgment would be nice. The other team owners should be blowing up Jordan’s phone to express gratitude for what he’s done, as they sat on the sidelines and watched the two sides publicly brawl for more than a year.

There’s no question the teams were winning the case as of Thursday morning. Jordan could have pushed further if he wanted to, perhaps to the point where NASCAR was dismantled, and a new series emerged from the ashes.

But that was never his intention. Even as he testified during the trial, Jordan spoke about creating “more of a partnership” between NASCAR and the teams.


“If that’s the case, it becomes a more valuable business,” he said. “If you can ever compromise on the things that matter, you can grow your business.”

Now we’ll see that put into practice, and perhaps an even bigger opportunity for NASCAR could emerge: Publicly embracing Jordan in a way the company could not before.

After all, Jordan is a lifelong NASCAR fan who watches every race and bought into the sport against the advice of his own business manager. The projected annual profits that made him sign up in 2021? Only $900,000 per year.

Jordan isn’t in NASCAR for the money. He’s in it because he actually, genuinely loves racing. And yet, because of the bitter charter negotiations and then the lawsuit, NASCAR has completely missed the chance to link arms with him and help promote the sport during his time as a team owner.

That has the chance to change now.
As Jordan spoke to reporters on the courthouse steps after the lawsuit was settled, he stood shoulder-to-shoulder (OK, maybe elbow-to-shoulder) with NASCAR chairman and CEO Jim France.

“I’ve said this from Day 1: Only way this sport is going to grow is we have to find some synergy between the two entities, and I think we’ve gotten to that point,” he said. “Unfortunately, it took 16 months to get here, but I think level heads (have) gotten us to this point to where we can actually work together and grow this sport.

“I’m very proud about that. And I think Jim (France) feels the same.”

--Jeff Gluck for The Athletic December 11, 2025
 
You know something is up when a nascar legend just decides to leave the sport that he had invested years and millions of dollars into
To be perfectly honest, I wasn't the least bit surprised when Tony started to wean himself off NASCAR once his driving days were over, and even less so once he started his relationship with Leah. I always felt NASCAR team ownership was just a means to an end for Tony, and not some life goal. I never felt he had a burning desire for it the way Brad K, and Jeff, or Jimmie seem to. Tony used NASCAR to build wealth and fame, and to compete at one of the very highest levels, but I never felt it ran much deeper than that. I have very much the same opinion of Larson.
 
We have seen some "entry level" teams come into this sport. I enjoy watching a team grow for example from a start and park to running competitively.
With permanent charters and the cost thereof, who will be the future team owners? I am glad they reached a settlement, but I wonder if one of the things I have always enjoyed about any form of racing in watching a team/driver grow will no longer apply to Cup?
 
We have seen some "entry level" teams come into this sport. I enjoy watching a team grow for example from a start and park to running competitively.
With permanent charters and the cost thereof, who will be the future team owners? I am glad they reached a settlement, but I wonder if one of the things I have always enjoyed about any form of racing in watching a team/driver grow will no longer apply to Cup?
Drivers may/should benefit from the changes ultimately IMO. Valuations for teams increasing makes it more important to put the best driver in the seat and not merely the one with the biggest check. Teams though are different. The old days are dead.
 
We have seen some "entry level" teams come into this sport. I enjoy watching a team grow for example from a start and park to running competitively.
With permanent charters and the cost thereof, who will be the future team owners? I am glad they reached a settlement, but I wonder if one of the things I have always enjoyed about any form of racing in watching a team/driver grow will no longer apply to Cup?
We may see new teams go through a path similar to drivers. Start in trucks, have success scale up to O'Reilly's, then more success and team up with some investors and go Cup racing. With a progression like that I think we'd see stronger new Cup entries that have a chance of running more than a handful of races.
 
I hope there will always be 40 available grid spots for each race with a maximum of 36 charters teams. If any of the four potential uncharted cars are too slow to meet the minimum requirements they could alway prevent or deny them from startlng.

I have always wanted the potential of an outsider or a wildcard putting together some one off type of starts. They wouldnt be elgibile for charter money, but one offs are almost always going to operate at a loss. I just want the one off or wild card possibilities to always exsist.
 
We have seen some "entry level" teams come into this sport. I enjoy watching a team grow for example from a start and park to running competitively.
With permanent charters and the cost thereof, who will be the future team owners? I am glad they reached a settlement, but I wonder if one of the things I have always enjoyed about any form of racing in watching a team/driver grow will no longer apply to Cup?
Thats a pipe dream now. Nobody coming up through the ranks will ever be able to buy a charter. We now have a super rich guy golf game
 
Everyone knows that really nothing has changed right?

- the seat at the table with the 5 strike rule does nothing. They cant even agree on what is even declared as a strike

- the more money to the teams just gives them more to spend. Nobody is going to make anymore profit

- pay to play drivers will still be a thing because no matter how much you give them they'll always take more from whoever is offering it.

- the permanent charters have now increased the price of charters that ownership is going to be near impossible except for investment group and billionaires.
 
Everyone knows that really nothing has changed right?

- the seat at the table with the 5 strike rule does nothing. They cant even agree on what is even declared as a strike

- the more money to the teams just gives them more to spend. Nobody is going to make anymore profit

- pay to play drivers will still be a thing because no matter how much you give them they'll always take more from whoever is offering it.

- the permanent charters have now increased the price of charters that ownership is going to be near impossible except for investment group and billionaires.
I don't doubt that is too far off the mark. It might take awhile for them to max out. I'm pretty sure we will see "investor groups" buying into teams. They all need places to launder/place or shelter their money.
 
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The perception of NASCAR's invincibility is the biggest thing that has changed. The old saying, "He who has the gold makes the rules" now applies more than ever. Up until yesterday, it was the inverse in NASCAR world.
 
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