Bud Shootout

BobbyFord said:
But taking the checkered flag afterwards is ;)
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Stay on topic. We're talking about saves. :D

Like I said, it was an awesome performance by Kyle. I really want to be a fan again, but he'll need to keep his head straight on all year for me to consider it.
 
Mopardh9 said:
I thought FIOS was supposed to faster than cable?
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It's just YouTube.

FenderBumper said:
Something is wrong Andy. Test your connection here at different times during the day. FiOS was always good until an exterior wire went bad. Watch the needle for major stalls, which is a quality of service issue.
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Every other website loads fine. I can load 3 hour videos on other websites in a couple minutes. YouTube is, and has always been, unbearably slow on FIOS.
 
Just watched the race this morning, GREAT race, IMO. I know there are a lot of arguments about pack racing vs tandem racing, but I do honestly find this a lot better that what we had last year. Last year, it was all about per-arranged, orchestrated riding around and passing (they should NOT having counted lead changes with tandem racing), and this year, it really is back in the drivers hands. Yeah, it took some skill do orchestrate those pairs, but a lot of that was done over the radio, not by the seat of the drivers pants.

Now if the drivers can all use their heads, the 500 could be a GREAT race.
 
FenderBumper said:
Stay on topic. We're talking about saves. :D

Like I said, it was an awesome performance by Kyle. I really want to be a fan again, but he'll need to keep his head straight on all year for me to consider it.
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My bad. To me, talent is not only being able to save a wicked racecar, but also to overcome and still win. Which Jeffy did not do after his brilliant save.
 
BobbyFord said:
My bad. To me, talent is not only being able to save a wicked racecar, but also to overcome and still win. Which Jeffy did not do after his brilliant save.
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I'll second that, I'm more impressed with the fact that he was able to win that race after all of that and on those abused tires!
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Stupid argument. They won't adapt. If the cars go 240, the drivers will try to go 250 in them, regardless of the risk. Just like certain drivers didn't want safety equipment ten years ago because it limited their head movement.
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But Andy, here is my point. If the drivers cannot hold the throttle wide open in the turns, there is no way that they will be able to achieve the speeds you mentioned. At Michigan and Fontucky, drivers are doing close to 210 when they enter Turn One. But they have to lift off of the throttle if they want to make it to the backstretch. When they lift off the throttle, the car slows down.

Eliminate a driver's ability to hold it wide open for an entire lap and real racing will be the result.
 
Now I'm not a Kyle fan by any stretch of the imagination --- but what he did last night was spectacular. I noticed the one thing he didn't do during those saves was hit the brakes -- the wheels never stopped turning. I would think that's what kept him from flat-spotting the tires and enabled him to keep going. Looked like a dirt car --- foot to the floor and drive through it.
 
Who was it last night that was trail braking so much they cooked the brake fluid? Isn't that a indication they are having to slow down in the corners right now?
 
http://www.nascar.com/video/post-race/press-pass/120219/cup-bud-presspass-kybusch/index.html

I see a guy getting a little sideways and getting on the apron and over correcting. That mistake gets him really sideways, but still not half as far gone as Jeff was. THEN Kyle makes a great save. IMO, the 2 videos speak for themselves. Jeff gets turned so far, his front end is facing the back of the field more than the front. He saves it and doesn't over correct, so he exhibits better car control.
 
robbybee said:
But Andy, here is my point. If the drivers cannot hold the throttle wide open in the turns, there is no way that they will be able to achieve the speeds you mentioned. At Michigan and Fontucky, drivers are doing close to 210 when they enter Turn One. But they have to lift off of the throttle if they want to make it to the backstretch. When they lift off the throttle, the car slows down.

Eliminate a driver's ability to hold it wide open for an entire lap and real racing will be the result.
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Fontana is low banking. As long as the corners have high banking, they'll run wide open. The only way to achieve your goal, which would make for some god awful racing, is to tear the banking down.

The drivers know you can't slam draft in the corners. For ten years, you couldn't slam draft in the corners. One year of tandem drafting and suddenly the drivers forgot? I don't think so. They're gonna keep slam drafting in the corners to try to get an advantage in the corners, no matter how many wrecks it causes.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
Wasn't that Ambrose?
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Ambrose blew it. He stayed low and really slowed up going into 1 and lost his chance to go for the win. He should have been wide and fast all the way, and Tony and Kyle would have had to slow and go low to get around them.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
Now I'm not a Kyle fan by any stretch of the imagination --- but what he did last night was spectacular. I noticed the one thing he didn't do during those saves was hit the brakes -- the wheels never stopped turning. I would think that's what kept him from flat-spotting the tires and enabled him to keep going. Looked like a dirt car --- foot to the floor and drive through it.
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Yep, that was all talent. One save, you can try to call it luck. But he saved it from a sure thing head on impact twice.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Fontana is low banking. As long as the corners have high banking, they'll run wide open. The only way to achieve your goal, which would make for some god awful racing, is to tear the banking down.
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They won't run wide open if their cars don't grip in the turns. High banking or not, it's still a turn. And then there is the dogleg...
 
robbybee said:
They won't run wide open if their cars don't grip in the turns. High banking or not, it's still a turn. And then there is the dogleg...
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They will try. The ONLY time I've ever seen every driver in the field use their heads was at turn 1 in the Baltimore Grand Prix.

Ask some of the racers on here. They'll back me up.
 
FenderBumper said:
Stay on topic. We're talking about saves. :D

Like I said, it was an awesome performance by Kyle. I really want to be a fan again, but he'll need to keep his head straight on all year for me to consider it.
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WONT HAPPEN,36 pole winners is better odds.
 
getadietdew said:
WONT HAPPEN,36 pole winners is better odds.
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That would be an interesting wager.

But I would feel confident in saying that Pee Wee, for one, will win more than one pole in 2012 - and I also think that he learned something at the end of 2011 that will stick with him for 2012.

I fully expect that Kyle - and Kurt for that matter - will be fine upstanding citizens in the eyes of NA$$CAR, and to the chagrin of many, BTW... ;)
 
robbybee said:
That would be an interesting wager.

But I would feel confident in saying that Pee Wee, for one, will win more than one pole in 2012 - and I also think that he learned something at the end of 2011 that will stick with him for 2012.

I fully expect that Kyle - and Kurt for that matter - will be fine upstanding citizens in the eyes of NA$$CAR, and to the chagrin of many, BTW... ;)
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I'll bet you're a religous man.
 
First, I would like to congratulate KYLE on a great race and win. He was the best wheel man in the field.
Second, I would like to congratulate Jeff Gordon for taking himself out of the race...
Third I would like to congratulate all the idiots that hated 2 car pack and 1 car wrecks to this to this big car pack. lots of cars crashing...
 
The difference between Jeff's save and Kyle's was that Jeff was going really slow afterwards and Kyle was trying not to lose positions. Kudos to the M&M's crew for keeping the car competitive. Kudos to the driver for his will to win.
 
Bucky Badger said:
First, I would like to congratulate KYLE on a great race and win. He was the best wheel man in the field.
Second, I would like to congratulate Jeff Gordon for taking himself out of the race...
Third I would like to congratulate all the idiots that hated 2 car pack and 1 car wrecks to this to this big car pack. lots of cars crashing...[/quote

You would be in the minority of Nascar fans that actually like train racing, but hey if you consider that "real racing" more power to you.;)
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Bucky Badger said:
First, I would like to congratulate KYLE on a great race and win. He was the best wheel man in the field.
Second, I would like to congratulate Jeff Gordon for taking himself out of the race...
Third I would like to congratulate all the idiots that hated 2 car pack and 1 car wrecks to this to this big car pack. lots of cars crashing...[/quote]

Thank you!
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TexasRaceLady said:
I guess I'm one of the uncountable number of idiots on forums everywhere that hated the tandem racing. I don't like wrecks, but the tandem racing just didn't seem right.

So be it. :D
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Totally agree ...it was like some kind of gimmick that failed miserably IMO.:biggrin:
 
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