Bud Shootout

I see this thread is about to go down the tubes as did the other one. Back off from attacking each other. This is positively ridiculous that supposedly grown people cannot carry on a civil conversation. And yes, arguments can be done in a civilized manner.

I'll repeat myself --- plate racing will never, ever satisfy every fan. It is a necessary evil that will continue until the tracks are changed to enable the plates to be removed. Until then, argue about something that can be solved because plate racing won't be solved here.
 
Tony1930 said:
OK here we go - another post race thread - which could be fun..talking about the strategy of the drivers...taken over by a p!ssing contest - yawn
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I bet if it was Kyle Busch or Kyle fans I bashed, this thread would turn in to another boring Kyle bash fest.
 
Back on subject...... smdh over the reasons listed over crashes. I've never heard of a track, car or restrictor plate causing a wreck. Did the cars go out there and wreck themselves? Do guns walk in to stores and shoot store clerks on their own?
 
Yes, the drivers cause wrecks and they know it. The ones I saw tonight were caused by drivers trying to get a handle on this new set of rules that they were given. They just figured out the tandem then the rules of the game were changed. These drivers are good, but they're learning at 200mph with no do-overs if they screw up. This was the first "under fire" testing of those new rules.
 
Blaze88 said:
Like I told you on Twitter, base an entire fan base off something like that and you could turn any fan base into that. Was every single last Dale Jr fan in the world at that race? I don't think so, which means again :bsflag:
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simmer down,your embarasing us.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
Yes, the drivers cause wrecks and they know it. The ones I saw tonight were caused by drivers trying to get a handle on this new set of rules that they were given. They just figured out the tandem then the rules of the game were changed. These drivers are good, but they're learning at 200mph with no do-overs if they screw up. This was the first "under fire" testing of those new rules.
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TexasRaceLady said:
Yes, the drivers cause wrecks and they know it. The ones I saw tonight were caused by drivers trying to get a handle on this new set of rules that they were given. They just figured out the tandem then the rules of the game were changed. These drivers are good, but they're learning at 200mph with no do-overs if they screw up. This was the first "under fire" testing of those new rules.
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But it works in iRacing. :sarcasm:
 
TRL, I would like to disagree with you on something.

The tracks do not need to be changed. What needs to be changed is a driver's ability to hold the accelerator pedal to the floorboard for an entire lap.

Making the cars harder to drive by reducing downforce and grip, will force the drivers to lift off of the throttle when entering the turns. Because of the banking at the SuperSpeedways, the changes would need to be somewhat extreme - but most certainly are within reach of NA$$CAR's brain trust.

NA$$CAR has arguably the greatest drivers in motorsports. They would adapt. Then we could get rid of the stupid restrictors and see some real racing - as opposed to a 200 MPH parade/crashfest...
 
robbybee said:
TRL, I would like to disagree with you on something.

The tracks do not need to be changed. What needs to be changed is a driver's ability to hold the accelerator pedal to the floorboard for an entire lap.

Making the cars harder to drive by reducing downforce and grip, will force the drivers to lift off of the throttle when entering the turns. Because of the banking at the SuperSpeedways, the changes would need to be somewhat extreme - but most certainly are within reach of NA$$CAR's brain trust.

NA$$CAR has arguably the greatest drivers in motorsports. They would adapt. Then we could get rid of the stupid restrictors and see some real racing - as opposed to a 200 MPH parade/crashfest...
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Stupid argument. They won't adapt. If the cars go 240, the drivers will try to go 250 in them, regardless of the risk. Just like certain drivers didn't want safety equipment ten years ago because it limited their head movement.
 
Well, that racing was far more exciting than watching tandem drafts for a whole race.
 
ted@economy said:
Wow , both the 48 and the 24 tried to wreck Kyle and he still won the race .
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That's exactly what I seen. However, it was good of HMS lite #14 to hold his line and let #18 make that run around the outside. Good, clean racing by Stewart and Busch.
 
#17D500winner said:
That's exactly what I seen. However, it was good of HMS lite #14 to hold his line and let #18 make that run around the outside. Good, clean racing by Stewart and Busch.
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yep ..not so clean by the 48 and 24 , Nascar should park those guys for the 500.:D
 
Wow. It's always fun to read these race threads long after the event is over to see how they progress. Some good discussion going on until the usual suspects with the same old troll type posts. Enough about that though.

Some things I found interesting not related to the above.....

FenderBumper said:
I can almost live with how they are stuck in line (racing?), but it's just about wrecking. I wonder if NASCAR ever spent any time trying to work out a rules package that allows pack racing without the wrecks.
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Pack racing without wrecks? I can't imagine it. Any racing without wrecks? Not gonna happen. What kind of a rule package could they possibly come up with that will prevent wrecks? As long as these guys are running so tight together things are bound to happen. The moment two guys try to occupy the same space it's game over. At the very least, the two-car tandem did cause a separation in the field that could spare some of the teams from the carnage. The fans apparently spoke loud enough in voice and @ the ticket booth to put an end to it and we are now where we were before.

Blaze88 said:
Yeah but she knows a little bit more then we do and we're all sitting here talking about what caused the wreck so why can't she talk about it?
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Excellent point with the exception that she knows a whole helluva lot more than we do. At least she's been out there on the track experiencing it.

StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing said:
They just made a great point, Kyle would have never been able to do that in the 2 tandem racing.

and.....

What he meant(forget which one said it) was that when it was all 2 tandem racing, that the car pushing would never be able to go around the car it was pushing on the final lap like that.
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Whoever said that has a short memory. They made a similar type of move the last Talladega race when Clint Bowyer passed Jeff Burton on the last turn of the last lap under the two-car tandem. Jump to the 1:40 mark you'll see one of those cars that would never be able to gain ground.

 
Bowyer didn't go around Burton - he went under him and then forced him wide.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Blaze didn't get personal. We're having a very civil disagreement over on Twitter. No name calling or anything. In fact, racer8 could learn some civility from Blaze.
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I meant racer8 didn't need to get personal, but I misworded it. Sorry Blaze88.
It's well known that a lot of Jr fans leave the track once Jr is out, but it's also true that many more don't.
 
Someone said that last nights pack racing was good because of the last second pass, and that's not possible with the tandem. I thought about it, and I think it's wrong. We've seen MUCH more of the draft pass in tandem races than we do in pack racing. Kez passing Carl at Talladega. That was a beautiful, no touch, double move. Carl's double block turned it into a scary wreck, so nobody talks about it. Harvick passing McMurray. Tony passing Kyle in the shootout?, where Kyle came back up and wrecked hard, Bowyer passing Burton. There were a few tandem races that were jammed at the line so there was no passing, but a higher percentage of tandem races were decided with a last second pass than pack racing ever had.
 
From what I saw last night I have a feeling this is going to be a very expensive, if not the most expensive, 500 ever for team owners.
 
SST55 said:
From what I saw last night I have a feeling this is going to be a very expensive, if not the most expensive, 500 ever for team owners.
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Do you think teams may just be monetarily further ahead to S&P ;)

Seems as though Childress wasn't to pleased with last nights carnage and with the way things have been going with sponsorship lately, who can blame him?
 
SST55 said:
From what I saw last night I have a feeling this is going to be a very expensive, if not the most expensive, 500 ever for team owners.
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I think the drivers are left with 2 choices. Don't race until the last few laps, or wreck, wreck, wreck.

But the weather may dictate the rae anyway. Long range forecast is 80 degrees. With that tiny cooling system, even pack racing may be impossible. Bowyer and many others were seeing high temps just pack racing, and that was at night. I hope they figure it out, because the 20 lap tire runs and broken pavement will look exciting in comparison.
 
I just got a chance to watch my DVR'd copy of the race and I have to admit that Kyle's saves last night were the best that I've ever witnessed. I still don't like him but I sure applaud his ability. And this is coming from what some on this board consider to be the worst of all fans imaginable, a diehard Earnhardt Jr. fan.
 
This is the best I can remember. Jeff gets turned further and saves it the first time and doesn't need to save it again.

 
I really don't have a favorite driver anymore, I kind of want to pull for Kyle because of his driving ability, but then he goes and does something foolish and puts that notion under the rug. I too think those are some of the best saves I've seen, I just watched them again also. That last one when Jeffy hit him was unreal, he saved it like 3 times in a matter of seconds. How his tires remained good enough for him to make that move coming out of 4 on the last lap is beyond me, he shouldn't of had that control.
 
Mopardh9 said:
I really don't have a favorite driver anymore, I kind of want to pull for Kyle because of his driving ability, but then he goes and does something foolish and puts that notion under the rug. I too think those are some of the best saves I've seen, I just watched them again also. That last one when Jeffy hit him was unreal, he saved it like 3 times in a matter of seconds. How his tires remained good enough for him to make that move coming out of 4 on the last lap is beyond me, he shouldn't of had that control.
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Kyle's one of the best but his entitlement attitude makes it nearly impossible to root for him.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I despise Verizon FIOS. It takes 20 minutes to load a 90 second YouTube video.
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Something is wrong Andy. Test your connection here at different times during the day. FiOS was always good until an exterior wire went bad. Watch the needle for major stalls, which is a quality of service issue.
 
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