If Joey Logano Were to Return to JGR

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Since joining Penske, Joey Logano has gone from a midpack driver to one of the top three drivers this season, and perhaps one of the odds-on favorites to win the championship. At Joe Gibbs Racing, Joey was a midpack driver, as stated before. Let's say that in 2015 he went back to the 20 car. How would he perform?
 
Like he did the last time he was there. Toyota has been very mediocre this year. TRD needs to get on the ball.
 
Spike said:
Like he did the last time he was there. Toyota has been very mediocre this year. TRD needs to get on the ball.
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I'd argue that the teams have failed to get the set ups right. I haven't heard anything about engine complaints, etc. It's all set ups. TRD has its eggs in two baskets, and they have not performed. Certainly, TRD lends assistance, but the team/driver variables are the critical pieces at this point.

Hypothetically, if Joey ran the 20 without teammates, he would be equal to the driver he is in the Ford IMO. With the same teammates as previously, he would be similar to what he was. The culture at Penske is conducive to his success. His positioning in the pecking order at JGR was not. I will admit that his move to Penske was a huge + for him.
 
This is assuming that Joey suddenly became a better driver while walking accross the garage area to Penske . I think Penske was just a better fit for Joey . Their set ups , their cars , their personnel , their confidence in him . Seems to me that there are lots of drivers out there that could show the same improvement walking accross the garage area .
 
ted@economy said:
This is assuming that Joey suddenly became a better driver while walking accross the garage area to Penske . I think Penske was just a better fit for Joey . Their set ups , their cars , their personnel , their confidence in him . Seems to me that there are lots of drivers out there that could show the same improvement walking accross the garage area .
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I agree. Sometimes a driver just isn't a good fit for a particular team.
 
I think he'd do a little better just because he has more confidence now, but he'd better off at Penske. JGR was never a good fit for him.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
The cars may not have been a good fit for Joey, but has anyone considered that the 2 somewhat prima donna teammates might not have been as compatible a fit as Brad?
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That was kinda my point in saying JGR wasn't a good fit. The environment there just wasn't good for an 18 year old kid being thrown into the Cup Series, especially with two teammates that can be bullies sometimes.
 
ToyYoda said:
That was kinda my point in saying JGR wasn't a good fit. The environment there just wasn't good for an 18 year old kid being thrown into the Cup Series, especially with two teammates that can be bullies sometimes.
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Gotcha. Too early for me to read between the lines and not enough coffee in the system --- yet. :)
 
TexasRaceLady said:
The cars may not have been a good fit for Joey, but has anyone considered that the 2 somewhat prima donna teammates might not have been as compatible a fit as Brad?
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I think the cars were fine at JGR (this year is the exception). Joey's confidence went through the roof when somebody (Kez and Captain) wanted him.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
Wrong tense, Andy --- should be "ARE" divas. :)
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Joey Logano's former JGR teammates are divas.

Better? :)

In all seriousness, I don't think JGR was a good atmosphere for him, all around. We all know that Denny Hamlin had the best cars and best crew there. More importantly, Logano didn't have a veteran driver to lean on for advice. It's no secret that Denny Hamlin didn't like Joey Logano so it's not likely that those two could work together at all. As for Kyle, he's not exactly known for being a team player either.

Roger Penske's all around a good guy. Logano has Keselowski there and they seem to mesh really well. But, more importantly, he's got Penske that he can lean on.

I really think Logano was the "red headed stepchild" at JGR.
 
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Exactly, Andy. Joe Gibbs is good with people, but Joey was too young and too inexperienced to mesh with Denny and Joey. Joe may have given guidance to Joey, but the teammates were the ones to lean on for information --- and that info wasn't forthcoming.
 
I think he would do better tha he did the first time bc he has the confidence now.. He knows what he needs in the car. But I still think he would do better with Penske. The chemistry there between him and his cc and Brad and his cc just fits better.
 
And here comes the daily Joey Logano DNA transfer.

SlicedBread22 said:
I think he would do better tha he did the first time bc he has the confidence now.. He knows what he needs in the car. But I still think he would do better with Penske. The chemistry there between him and his cc and Brad and his cc just fits better.
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That was pretty stupid imo.. What bc its me I cant comment without ridiculed? Even by staff now? I could have come in here saying "yes! He is the greatest and it wouldnt matter where he goes now" or something like that but I think my point is extremely accurate and see nothing much different than most of the rest of the posts in here.

Althiugh with that Im out.. This topic imo has already run its course....

It would never happen.. and right now Joey is making that entire organization look foolish.
 
The pressure for an 18 year old, wet behind the ear's kid taking over for a potential HOF driver couldn't have any thing to do with his slow start?................
 
Wingnutcnc said:
The pressure for an 18 year old, wet behind the ear's kid taking over for a potential HOF driver couldn't have any thing to do with his slow start?................
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I think the fifth generation car also had a lot to do with it as well. Maybe the new car suits Joey better but I really think the Gen-5 car was a deal where it took a young driver a few seasons to figure it out and be competitive. Logano was a hyped up rookie coming in to the sport with the burden of mind blowing expectations just a few years after an era in NASCAR racing where rookie drivers were lighting the world on fire.
 
What's ironic is that the same things that are being said about Danica Patrick, now, you could've said about Joey Logano three or four years ago. I think we're just now starting to see Danica come to her own in these cars and I really do hope she wins a race soon because the sport could definitely use the burst in popularity that would come with it.

The only real exception to all this stuff about rookies not lighting it up is Kyle Larson but Larson is also a freak that possesses so much talent it's not comprehensible.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I think the fifth generation car also had a lot to do with it as well. Maybe the new car suits Joey better but I really think the Gen-5 car was a deal where it took a young driver a few seasons to figure it out and be competitive. Logano was a hyped up rookie coming in to the sport with the burden of mind blowing expectations just a few years after an era in NASCAR racing where rookie drivers were lighting the world on fire.
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The list can continue to grow, mostly from speculation by fans of the sport. Being on the inside would open things up in a different perspective into the actual behind the scenes happenings.
 
Wingnutcnc said:
The list can continue to grow, mostly from speculation by fans of the sport. Being on the inside would open things up in a different perspective into the actual behind the scenes happenings.
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There was an era in NASCAR racing there for about five years or so when you had rookie drivers coming in and clicking off multiple wins. That was also around the time where the Busch Series cars and Winston/Nextel Cup cars were essentially exactly the same. But you've also got to look at the drivers that came in during that era: Tony Stewart, Matt Kenseth, Dale Jr, Kevin Harvick, Kurt Busch, Jimmie Johnson, Ryan Newman, Kyle Busch and Denny Hamlin - to name a few.

The media acted like Joey Logano was going to come in to Cup and win 10 races in his rookie season. He was never going to meet the expectations that were thrown out.
 
The best thing to ever happen to Joey Logano was Denny Hamlin going on national television and trying to cut him down after trying to bully him around.
 
I'd believe the business side of racing would be hell on an 18 year old, it ain't every day at the track.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
That was pretty stupid imo.. What bc its me I cant comment without ridiculed? Even by staff now? I could have come in here saying "yes! He is the greatest and it wouldnt matter where he goes now" or something like that but I think my point is extremely accurate and see nothing much different than most of the rest of the posts in here.

Althiugh with that Im out.. This topic imo has already run its course....

It would never happen.. and right now Joey is making that entire organization look foolish.
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Come on Sliced, you kinda deserve it! I mean, you've been totally insufferable for the most part!
I do like you, we all do but I realized something the other day.. As I was watching the race, I figured out why I now hate Joey so much. I liked him before, thought he was a great driver. But I've been hating him awhile because of this damned message board.
I guess I read it too much and maybe I'm just young and impressionable but it has seeped into my mind and colored how I view certain things.
Maybe Joey Logano most of all.
I just want you to know, it's all your fault!
 
This year Penske is a much better team than JGR. The rule changes have really affected Kenseth.
 
blanston said:
Come on Sliced, you kinda deserve it! I mean, you've been totally insufferable for the most part!
I do like you, we all do but I realized something the other day.. As I was watching the race, I figured out why I now hate Joey so much. I liked him before, thought he was a great driver. But I've been hating him awhile because of this damned message board.
I guess I read it too much and maybe I'm just young and impressionable but it has seeped into my mind and colored how I view certain things.
Maybe Joey Logano most of all.
I just want you to know, it's all your fault!
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LOL Uhh.. thanks?

See you in victory lane :D
 
This whole blaming Busch and Hamlin for Logano's lack of performance is an interesting situation.

Keselowski was Cup Champion the year before logano arrived and missed the chase after he did, while the #22 flourished (compared to his time as JGR).

So, if Hamlin/busch get the blame for Logano does Logano get the blame for Keselowski's lackluster season? Or is it a one-way street that only applies to JGR?
 
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