If Joey Logano Were to Return to JGR

kbtoys said:
Thanks Ted,

Been a long time fan of Logano's and others, noticed some are making comparisons to her and Logano..not even in the ballpark, plenty of other drivers to make comps off of including her current boytoy which is more in her ballpark of stats.

Logano in his first two years - 72 races 1 win, 10 top 5's and 23 top 10's. Patrick in 57 races 1 pole, 2 top 10's. Stenhouse 51 races 1 pole 2 top 5's 6, top 10's. I still think alot of people have lazy journalism disease and don't do their homework, he still seems to be a whipping boy for some reason in the media (I say nice guy syndrome). While I do not share you excitment about Danica, I do conceed a good run is a good run no matter who it is. I do take umbrage with attention it garnered for a 7th place finish, as the majority of her supporters made it out to be the second coming, yet want her to be treated equal (so they say) . If she was to be treated as a race car driver and not a "female" race car driver well it would have been treated like all the other 7th place drivers before and after Kansas, crickets.
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Attention for a 7th place finish...let me tell ya', I listened to people blow for 2 years about how great Logano was when all he ever did was get a handful of top 10's and fluke a rainout. All because Mark Martin said so.

The only reason Logano is doing so well this year is because Penske has something on everyone else in the garage and when those teams figure it out, he'll go back to the being the 12 place driver that he's always been.This time, though, Hamlin and Busch wont be around to blame...maybe Edwards will be at Penske by then, to take the fault.
 
#17D500winner said:
Attention for a 7th place finish...let me tell ya', I listened to people blow for 2 years about how great Logano was when all he ever did was get a handful of top 10's and fluke a rainout. All because Mark Martin said so.

The only reason Logano is doing so well this year is because Penske has something on everyone else in the garage and when those teams figure it out, he'll go back to the being the 12 place driver that he's always been.This time, though, Hamlin and Busch wont be around to blame...maybe Edwards will be at Penske by then, to take the fault.
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Oh...? So explain Loganos success last season too... Lol.. Hater
 
#17D500winner said:
The only reason Logano is doing so well this year is because Penske has something on everyone else in the garage and when those teams figure it out, he'll go back to the being the 12 place driver that he's always been.
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Until that time it looks as though Logano is going to be competitive every single week. It's too bad Roush and Gibbs can't get their **** together.
 
Hold on tight to the rails of that band wagon.
 
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SlicedBread22 said:
Oh...? So explain Loganos success last season too... Lol.. Hater
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His success came at Keselowski's expense but people don't really care to discuss that.

I'll take some hate any day over a Joey Boy mancrush:)
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Until that time it looks as though Logano is going to be competitive every single week. It's too bad Roush and Gibbs can't get their **** together.
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I don't think things over at JGR are as bad as everyone thinks. They have two wins this year (same as Hendrick Motorsports), and the 2nd and 3rd place teams in points. They'll be fine.
 
ToyYoda said:
I don't think things over at JGR are as bad as everyone thinks. They have two wins this year (same as Hendrick Motorsports), and the 2nd and 3rd place teams in points. They'll be fine.
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A win is a win bad you gotta be in position at the right time but their first win was Kyle stealing one at Fontana & then Denny grabbed the dega crapshoot thanks to Brad for eliminating every front runner.

I'm just saying none of their cars have yet shown a dominating performance at a track.
 
LOL At people that think Danica isn't doing waaaaaay worse than Joey was at that point in his career... when he was 19 years old. Sorry but.. I hadn't looked up the numbers but someone did on the last page... not even comparable in as many starts even as poor as Joey did. Even if you don't count the rain win lol.
 
Joey might be a spoiled, rich kid brat, but to deny his obvious talent is ridiculous.

Take a look at what he's done in the Cup AND Nationwide series over the last couple years. He is without a doubt an extremely talented driver, who's still younger than 90% of the field. I think he's got a pretty good chance of becoming a Cup champion one day, maybe not this year or next, but eventually I think he can get it done.
 
3wideinturn1 said:
Joey might be a spoiled, rich kid brat, but to deny his obvious talent is ridiculous.

Take a look at what he's done in the Cup AND Nationwide series over the last couple years. He is without a doubt an extremely talented driver, who's still younger than 90% of the field. I think he's got a pretty good chance of becoming a Cup champion one day, maybe not this year or next, but eventually I think he can get it done.
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That's what I've been saying for a while... I'm just a bit more abrasive :)
 
Over the past 20 races or so going back to last year, has there been a better performing driver? Harvick maybe? Other than Harvick, Logano has been class of the field if you ask me. Equally impressive has been his qualifying efforts this year. The kid's a stud, no doubt about it.

Disclaimer: I'm not even a Logano fan, but he deserves some credit. He's out performed his old teammates Busch and Hamlin or "Dumb and Dumber" as I like to call them.
 
3wideinturn1 said:
Over the past 20 races or so going back to last year, has there been a better performing driver? Harvick maybe? Other than Harvick, Logano has been class of the field if you ask me. Equally impressive has been his qualifying efforts this year. The kid's a stud, no doubt about it.

Disclaimer: I'm not even a Logano fan, but he deserves some credit. He's out performed his old teammates Busch and Hamlin or "Dumb and Dumber" as I like to call them.
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Im pretty sure ur right.. I know he has the third highest amount of top 5's since the beginning of 2013. He's 3rd in laps led this year, tied for the most top 5's, has the best average starting position and the highest driver rating (108.0 to Jeff Gordon's 105.8)... Not to mention as we are all well aware of... tied for most wins.

Imo the driver rating is the one that really shows the performance.

Im pretty sure he has earned more points in the last 36 races than anyone but Im not looking it up lol I just think I remember reading that somewhere from someone else who did the research. You may be right about Harvick earning more.. he's a close 3rd for this season at 105.0 driver rating.
 
You guys are willing to blame Hamlin and Busch for Logano's lack of results while the #20 won many times pre and post Logano. Keselowski wins 5races and the Cup. Next year, Logano comes over and Keselowski struggles, misses the chse and barely manages 1 win.

An I'm the one being laughed at....right.

Now, back to your regularly shceduled Joey love.
 
#17D500winner said:
You guys are willing to blame Hamlin and Busch for Logano's lack of results while the #20 won many times pre and post Logano. Keselowski wins 5races and the Cup. Next year, Logano comes over and Keselowski struggles, misses the chse and barely manages 1 win.

An I'm the one being laughed at....right.

Now, back to your regularly shceduled Joey love.
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There's absolutely no conection between the two. Logano's arrival at Penske didn't cause Brad to struggle. The organization as a whole might have struggled a bit, but to suggest that Brad struggled because of Joey is preposterous and there isint a shred of evidence to suggest that was the case.

Take a good look at Brad's 5 wins, how many were fuel mileage? The Dodge engines were the biggest reason Brad got those wins and the title, they were great on fuel and the most reliable in the series. Then the next year the team switched manufacturers and slipped a bit in performance which was likely anyways given that they were now getting engines from another team.
 
3wideinturn1 said:
There's absolutely no conection between the two. Logano's arrival at Penske didn't cause Brad to struggle. The organization as a whole might have struggled a bit, but to suggest that Brad struggled because of Joey is preposterous and there isint a shred of evidence to suggest that was the case.

Take a good look at Brad's 5 wins, how many were fuel mileage? The Dodge engines were the biggest reason Brad got those wins and the title, they were great on fuel and the most reliable in the series. Then the next year the team switched manufacturers and slipped a bit in performance which was likely anyways given that they were now getting engines from another team.
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It's every bit as preposterous as blaming Hamin and Busch when the #20 wasn't winning with Logano behind the wheel - something else without a shred of evidence.

I'd also point out that Logano made the chase running Ford gear.
 
#17D500winner said:
It's every bit as preposterous as blaming Hamin and Busch when the #20 wasn't winning with Logano behind the wheel - something else without a shred of evidence.

I'd also point out that Logano made the chase running Ford gear.
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It obviously wasn't completely Busch and Hamlin's fault... I don't think anyone has ever put 100% of the blame on them... but that doesn't change that fact that they aren't good team mates. Not to each other, not to anyone.. Im surprised they even get along with their car teams. Joey and Brad are best friends and probably as good of friends as any two drivers you'll find in the garage area right now. I think Brad head just got to big to fit into his helmet for a while.

I'd also like to point out that even though Brad is performing well right now... Joey is still out performing him :D
 
#17D500winner said:
It's every bit as preposterous as blaming Hamin and Busch when the #20 wasn't winning with Logano behind the wheel - something else without a shred of evidence.

I'd also point out that Logano made the chase running Ford gear.
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Certainly, but at no point did I suggest Logano's failures at JGR were because of Hamlin or Busch. Just merely that he has outperformed the both of them since joining Penske.

In regards, to Joey making the Chase; doesn't that lend credence to his abilities as a driver? In a year when the Penske org. seemingly took a small step back he still made the Chase. Brad's struggles were his own fault and not that of Joey's.
 
3wideinturn1 said:
Certainly, but at no point did I suggest Logano's failures at JGR were because of Hamlin or Busch. Just merely that he has outperformed the both of them since joining Penske.

In regards, to Joey making the Chase; doesn't that lend credence to his abilities as a driver? In a year when the Penske org. seemingly took a small step back he still made the Chase. Brad's struggles were his own fault and not that of Joey's.
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Queue the "he cheated... Penske bought him that spot bla bla bla" response :rolleyes:

Like he didn't earn his way into eligibility to make the chase.
 
It would be interesting because there is quite a difference for a two car and three car team. It depends on how the person performs on a daily basis, who the teammates are because think about this. An 18 year old with marginal experience at the time. If, Hamlin or KyBu were willing to share information with him in terms of learning how to setup a Sprint cup car. Its probably night and day in terms of style of racing, with Nationwide cars needing momentum.

It may have been Joey's problem in maybe not listening to others to help him or was anybody willing to help him? If Joey went back now, I think he would do well. Honestly, I think he would be ahead slightly between Hamlin and Busch. He would perform very well because of that buildup in confidence, but that tight background of Gibbs. Honestly, it reminds me of Williams in F1. Very strict and not very forgiving when it comes to drivers. Remember, with headstrung drivers like the Gibbs duo, Logano is a confidence driven driver. It could help him, it could hurt him. It depends on how Joey would soak in that environment, not the buddy-buddy relationship between him and BK.

He would have to be willing to accept that lack of a relationship, but be willing to do his own.
 
#17D500winner said:
Now, back to your regularly shceduled Joey love.
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Seems strange doesn't it ? Couple of years back , there were anti Kurt threads , anti Junior threads , anti Joey threads , now it's all ' Peace And Love ' '. We really aren't that far away from an 'I Love Mayfield' thread. :)
 
ted@economy said:
Seems strange doesn't it ? Couple of years back , there were anti Kurt threads , anti Junior threads , anti Joey threads , now it's all ' Peace And Love ' '. We really aren't that far away from an 'I Love Mayfield' thread. :)
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We'll probably see one for Mayfield before Hamlin.
 
#17D500winner said:
Attention for a 7th place finish...let me tell ya', I listened to people blow for 2 years about how great Logano was when all he ever did was get a handful of top 10's and fluke a rainout. All because Mark Martin said so.

The only reason Logano is doing so well this year is because Penske has something on everyone else in the garage and when those teams figure it out, he'll go back to the being the 12 place driver that he's always been.This time, though, Hamlin and Busch wont be around to blame...maybe Edwards will be at Penske by then, to take the fault.
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Well let me tell you, you are incorrect..not even in the ballpark. Logano 72 races 1 win, 10 top 5's top 10's 23 and 1 pole.

Danica 57 races 2 top 10's 1 pole.
Her more equal counterpart is her boytoy...

Ricky Stenhouse 51 races 2 top 5's top 6 top 10's and 1 pole.

While Logano might not have been on par or even close to his older more experienced peers and I am making no such claim, you can see the arguement of equality is not the same. My point and only my point. Regardless whether you like him or not, facts are facts.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I think I like this guy lol

I couldn't have said it better myself..... seriously... wtf does umbrage mean? :D
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Hi, this guy is a "gal" a long time Logano fan, before Logano it was Ricky Rudd (yes I know..worlds apart). I just calling it like I see it as well as a few important facts peppered in. Logano seems to be a whipping boy and blamed for global warming or somebody's latte order screwed up at Starbucks. Just like to point that out, and his non fans do not read anything into that, he has had his share of screwups, they all do. Watching for years, media favorites and not so favorites and how things get reported based on bias and then gets interpreted as fact..lol. Umbrage..get the dictonary out..:)
 
kbtoys said:
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Hi, this guy is a "gal" a long time Logano fan, before Logano it was Ricky Rudd (yes I know..worlds apart). I just calling it like I see it as well as a few important facts peppered in. Logano seems to be a whipping boy and blamed for global warming or somebody's latte order screwed up at Starbucks. Just like to point that out, and his non fans do not read anything into that, he has had his share of screwups, they all do. Watching for years, media favorites and not so favorites and how things get reported based on bias and then gets interpreted as fact..lol. Umbrage..get the dictonary out..:)
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Somewhat like the way you feel about Danica and her boy toy?
 
Sure are a lot of unbiased "facts" being tossed around and mostly biased towards Logano, oddly enough.
 
kbtoys said:
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Hi, this guy is a "gal" a long time Logano fan, before Logano it was Ricky Rudd (yes I know..worlds apart). I just calling it like I see it as well as a few important facts peppered in. Logano seems to be a whipping boy and blamed for global warming or somebody's latte order screwed up at Starbucks. Just like to point that out, and his non fans do not read anything into that, he has had his share of screwups, they all do. Watching for years, media favorites and not so favorites and how things get reported based on bias and then gets interpreted as fact..lol. Umbrage..get the dictonary out..:)
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Oops .. sorry about that. Glad to meet another Joey fan on here though :) I've been a fan of his since '09
 
#17D500winner said:
Sure are a lot of unbiased "facts" being tossed around and mostly biased towards Logano, oddly enough.
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If you call stats "biased" when people are saying one thing based on opinion regarding the subject "Logano", then o.k. its biased (lol). The thread is not about race track consessions asking if you like the tracks hamburgers vs. their hotdogs it's about a particular driver.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
A win is a win bad you gotta be in position at the right time but their first win was Kyle stealing one at Fontana & then Denny grabbed the dega crapshoot thanks to Brad for eliminating every front runner.

I'm just saying none of their cars have yet shown a dominating performance at a track.
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Chex is correct on this. The speed has not been there. I like what I saw yesterday. JGR's struggles have turned this into a very important weekend for them. I agree Toyoda that they will be fine. Championships are not won in May.
 
3wideinturn1 said:
I think he's got a pretty good chance of becoming a Cup champion one day, maybe not this year or next, but eventually I think he can get it done
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Once Gordon, Johnson, Junior, Harvick, Stewart, and Kenseth all retire :p
 
kbtoys said:
If you call stats "biased" when people are saying one thing based on opinion regarding the subject "Logano", then o.k. its biased (lol). The thread is not about race track consessions asking if you like the tracks hamburgers vs. their hotdogs it's about a particular driver.
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So, biased it is. I have nothing more to add...the floor is yours.
 
So what if Penske has something this year that other teams haven't figured out. I remember hearing the same thing to explain Jeff Gordon's success in the mid 90's.

Not saying Logano is another Jeff Gordon, but the fact is Logano is getting it done with what he has.
To deny his talent seems foolish.
 
mreed said:
So what if Penske has something this year that other teams haven't figured out. I remember hearing the same thing to explain Jeff Gordon's success in the mid 90's.

Not saying Logano is another Jeff Gordon, but the fact is Logano is getting it done with what he has.
To deny his talent seems foolish.
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Brad was getting it done when he won the championship . Nascar found some problems with their cars in tech and now they are fighting their way back . It's all good until the Nascar inspectors take it away. :)
 
ted@economy said:
Brad was getting it done when he won the championship . Nascar found some problems with their cars in tech and now they are fighting their way back . It's all good until the Nascar inspectors take it away. :)
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Well that's true, but Brad isn't exactly chopped liver these days either. lol
A driver with little talent won't do very well with the even best car on the track. You have to have both a great car and a talented driver to succeed at the Cup level.

Logano has both.
 
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