If Joey Logano Were to Return to JGR

#17D500winner said:
This whole blaming Busch and Hamlin for Logano's lack of performance is an interesting situation.

Keselowski was Cup Champion the year before logano arrived and missed the chase after he did, while the #22 flourished (compared to his time as JGR).

So, if Hamlin/busch get the blame for Logano does Logano get the blame for Keselowski's lackluster season? Or is it a one-way street that only applies to JGR?
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No... its that Logano gets the credit for Brad having a good season this year :D
 
I think Lagano came up a year too soon, but that was forced by Tony leaving. Sometimes a change is just what a driver needs. Both Kensith and Lagano have done better since they changed teams. Plus Penske has more competitive over the last few years.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
That was pretty stupid imo.. What bc its me I cant comment without ridiculed? Even by staff now? I could have come in here saying "yes! He is the greatest and it wouldnt matter where he goes now" or something like that but I think my point is extremely accurate and see nothing much different than most of the rest of the posts in here.

Althiugh with that Im out.. This topic imo has already run its course....

It would never happen.. and right now Joey is making that entire organization look foolish.
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Lol no. Gibbs replaced him with cup champ matt kenseth who won 7 races last year and finished 2nd in points. And he's still top 5 this year. JGR made a driver upgrade I'm not sure how they look foolish?
 
DaBiff1618 said:
Lol no. Gibbs replaced him with cup champ matt kenseth who won 7 races last year and finished 2nd in points. And he's still top 5 this year. JGR made a driver upgrade I'm not sure how they look foolish?
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That's the Joey Logano DNA transfer I mentioned. Both parties came out ahead from the entire deal.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
He wouldn't be top dog and that's not something he can handle too well. He is better off at Gibbs.
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He has two elite teammates at Gibbs as well. I just think he has matured since he was at HMS and would be much better this time around
 
DaBiff1618 said:
He has two elite teammates at Gibbs as well. I just think he has matured since he was at HMS and would be much better this time around
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The Nationwide stuff also helps and Gibbs has, by far, the best Nationwide program. If Kyle's not winning in the Nationwide Series, it seems to translate on the Cup side and he doesn't perform there either. When Kyle went winless in Nationwide, he was never really lighting the world on fire in Cup either. He's matured a lot but Kyle still seems to be the extreme example of momentum meaning everything.
 
#17D500winner said:
This whole blaming Busch and Hamlin for Logano's lack of performance is an interesting situation.

Keselowski was Cup Champion the year before logano arrived and missed the chase after he did, while the #22 flourished (compared to his time as JGR).

So, if Hamlin/busch get the blame for Logano does Logano get the blame for Keselowski's lackluster season? Or is it a one-way street that only applies to JGR?
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I certainly didn't say Busch and Hamlin deserved blame. Joey was young and inexperienced when he came into the Cup ride. He needed the
help, mentoring, or whatever you want to call it from seasoned teammates. I don't believe he got it.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
That's the Joey Logano DNA transfer I mentioned. Both parties came out ahead from the entire deal.
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Yep... except when Kenseth retires in a few years. Then who comes out ahead on the deal? That's the big difference here. Especially with the way they've been running... Kenseth might have blown his last best chance to win another cup last season.. I hope Joey wins the cup the same year Kenseth retires just to emphasize the advantage of Penske's move over Gibbs'.
 
jdbrew said:
This year Penske is a much better team than JGR. The rule changes have really affected Kenseth.
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Not sure that the cars are so much better than the rule change killing Matt and Kyle. I think Denny began to slide when the Gen 5 went away.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The best thing to ever happen to Joey Logano was Denny Hamlin going on national television and trying to cut him down after trying to bully him around.
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Kind of. The best thing was when Joey shut up about it.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Should we try this one on for size: what if Kyle Busch were to return to HMS
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Wouldn't matter. Gen 6 0 Ride Height. The jury is still out for me as to the car can be tuned to Kyle's driving style or if he needs to learn a different style. Knaus says it's 50-50 for Jimmie.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
What's ironic is that the same things that are being said about Danica Patrick, now, you could've said about Joey Logano three or four years ago. I think we're just now starting to see Danica come to her own in these cars and I really do hope she wins a race soon because the sport could definitely use the burst in popularity that would come with it.

The only real exception to all this stuff about rookies not lighting it up is Kyle Larson but Larson is also a freak that possesses so much talent it's not comprehensible.
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Not comparable. She had a good race Saturday, but still a long way from Joeys worst year in cup.
 
Whatever lighted Joey up last year may never be fully known. Sometimes you just know a chemistry works without being able to break it down into absolute points.

I can believe Kyle and Denny were jerks and probably used intimidation. Denny still even thought he owned him in 2013 at Daytona, and as late as Bristol in March 2013.

I am proud of Joey for calling him on it after that race. I am not worried about his style points either he was simply in Hamlins face telling him the BS is stoping, and he backed it up. The boy became a man.

Kezs guidance seems like a joke to me. I dont know what happened to the 2012 champion, but he is currently a nutjob as mentally unbalanced as Hamlin, and I would currently expect more reasoned common sense from Kyle.

Joey is currently the better of the two.
 
Greg said:
Whatever lighted Joey up last year may never be fully known. Sometimes you just know a chemistry works without being able to break it down into absolute points.

I can believe Kyle and Denny were jerks and probably used intimidation. Denny still even thought he owned him in 2013 at Daytona, and as late as Bristol in March 2013.

I am proud of Joey for calling him on it after that race. I am not worried about his style points either he was simply in Hamlins face telling him the BS is stoping, and he backed it up. The boy became a man.

Kezs guidance seems like a joke to me. I dont know what happened to the 2012 champion, but he is currently a nutjob as mentally unbalanced as Hamlin, and I would currently expect more reasoned common sense from Kyle.

Joey is currently the better of the two.
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Id say he's the better of the 3 ;)
 
jdbrew said:
This year Penske is a much better team than JGR. The rule changes have really affected Kenseth.
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Kenseth and Kyle Busch are 2nd and 3rd in points right now, and Denny is 12th despite having missed a race. Logano and Kez are 6th and 11th in points respectively.

Funny some of the misconceptions this asinine "Win and You're In" format is creating.
 
ToyYoda said:
Kenseth and Kyle Busch are 2nd and 3rd in points right now, and Denny is 12th despite having missed a race. Logano and Kez are 6th and 11th in points respectively.

Funny some of the misconceptions this asinine "Win and You're In" format is creating.
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Points? :idunno:


:D
 
ToyYoda said:
Exactly.

Since you don't believe in points, do you think Kurt Busch is having a better season than Matt Kenseth this year, because he has a win and Kenseth doesn't?
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I never said I don't believe in points... just mocking the system I guess.. Im about as worried about Kenseth as I am Johnson. I think the new points system is great.. if u cant win you better be the most consistent. Works for me.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Yep... except when Kenseth retires in a few years. Then who comes out ahead on the deal? That's the big difference here. Especially with the way they've been running... Kenseth might have blown his last best chance to win another cup last season.. I hope Joey wins the cup the same year Kenseth retires just to emphasize the advantage of Penske's move over Gibbs'.
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Have swagger. Lose the bitterness. Home Depot didn't want him anymore. Sponsors drive the sport. Coach was not going to leave Joey unemployed. The parting was amicable. Both sides came out better. When Matt retires (which is not in the near future IMO), Coach has a sweet ride waiting for either a development driver, or somebody sick of his current team. Coach doesn't lose there. Be careful about thinking that Joey will be a lifer at Penske. If and when he wins a Cup, he will become more expensive.
 
Revman said:
This.
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ChexOrWrex said:
Call me when Joey out races Johnson for a championship
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I was writing about his current state, which doesnt match up with 2012. He was at top of his game then, but not now.
He used to make brilliant crafty choices to get the upper hand, now he just looks like a dummy.
And I do believe it indirectly affects an entire team. A driver that is trusted to make the best use of equipment probably has more motivated hands touching the car.

In the last three weeks alone he was unable to outmuscle Kenseth when he readily admitted he had a superior car.
Then he brake checked a perfectly good car, to make a worthless point.

Then he exponentially violated his same complaint at Talladega. Contrast that to 2012 where he made brilliant chase exits out of the pits and postioned himself in front of Johnson, or his gutsy late restarts on old tires at Texas. He didnt win that one, but the whole world knew he was a wheel man, and more importantly his crew knew they had a wheelman that wouldn't waste their dedicated efforts. It is almost like talking about two different people.
 
Revman said:
Have swagger. Lose the bitterness. Home Depot didn't want him anymore. Sponsors drive the sport. Coach was not going to leave Joey unemployed. The parting was amicable. Both sides came out better. When Matt retires (which is not in the near future IMO), Coach has a sweet ride waiting for either a development driver, or somebody sick of his current team. Coach doesn't lose there. Be careful about thinking that Joey will be a lifer at Penske. If and when he wins a Cup, he will become more expensive.
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Im not really bitter... I just think Penske came out ahead. Im not sure he'll be a lifer there but I don't see why not.. there's not much room for improvement in organizations. He's already been with 2 of what are imo the top 4 teams in the series. He just doesn't seem right with Hendrick but who knows maybe he ends up there some day. I don't see him going to Roush or Childress unless he doesn't perform as well as he has been... but if like you said .. he wins a cup and becomes "more expensive".. I don't see him having too many options to move up other than Hendrick... he's not going to be racing for Tony anytime soon lol.... Who knows what time will bring though right? All I know is I'm enjoying this part of the roller coaster :)
 
I know you are enjoying this and it's fun to watch someone who is passionate have some fun. I'm happy for ya. Hoping that my TRD Toyotas find a couple of your tenths sometime soon. Didn't mean to come across as an ass about the bitterness line--glad you didn't take it that way. Although Joey will command more $ with his next contract Mr. Penske is loyal. Could be Joey's last ride as long as his people don't get stupid.
 
The drivers of JGR are three of the best in the business. The cars have really struggled to compete in the front of a 1.5. They all say it on the radio constantly.

And we can sit here and talk about points but where is that going to get you before September? Everyone is racing for a win every week. Kenseth has 8 top tens out of 11 races but feels like he's not competitive at all. And honestly, he really hasn't been.
 
Revman said:
..... Mr. Penske is loyal. Could be Joey's last ride as long as his people don't get stupid.
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I agree with this, and I dont ever see Joey back at JGR.
It has nothing to do with Toyota or JGR. Joey just has to much going at Penske to leave, it would be insanity.

In return Penske has a great young driver and conversely Gibbs got the mastery of Kenseth. This wasnt a trade since Penske factors, but in sports terms it was good trade, everybody but Roush won in the exchange(s).
 
ToyYoda said:
Kenseth and Kyle Busch are 2nd and 3rd in points right now, and Denny is 12th despite having missed a race. Logano and Kez are 6th and 11th in points respectively.

Funny some of the misconceptions this asinine "Win and You're In" format is creating.
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Any other year 3rd in points would make me happy, this year I dont know whether to be mad or glad. My driver has a win but it wasnt a dominate win, win number 2 might be tough to get. Looks to me like Joey is sitting in a much better spot, he is fast every week and has 2 wins
 
jdbrew said:
The drivers of JGR are three of the best in the business. The cars have really struggled to compete in the front of a 1.5. They all say it on the radio constantly.

And we can sit here and talk about points but where is that going to get you before September? Everyone is racing for a win every week. Kenseth has 8 top tens out of 11 races but feels like he's not competitive at all. And honestly, he really hasn't been.
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Compared to last years performance I cant see how any of the JGR drivers can be very happy. I guess Denny might be but a plate race win doesnt mean much to many people
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
What's ironic is that the same things that are being said about Danica Patrick, now, you could've said about Joey Logano three or four years ago. I think we're just now starting to see Danica come to her own in these cars and I really do hope she wins a race soon because the sport could definitely use the burst in popularity that would come with it.

The only real exception to all this stuff about rookies not lighting it up is Kyle Larson but Larson is also a freak that possesses so much talent it's not comprehensible.
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How can one even compare Logano's "history" and his rise to Cup with that of Patrick? Apples and oranges. One race does not make. Logano before his early stint in Cup had a impressive resume with records and trophies, Joe was so impressed he moved him up to quick. Logano killed it NW, with numerous accomplishments to boot. Patrick came into NW and Cup not do to a anything but a marketing ploy, she has one win in like 17 years. The new style of car certainly suits him, but support wasn't there as he was the third wheel and a thorn in Zippy's side as Zippy was pining away for his beloved Tony, his crew included. Heck they didn't even change the monogramed towels, nothing say "welcome" like that. Logano has prove all along he belongs, it will take many more top 10's other than one to prove this marketing ploy is "the real deal".
 
kbtoys said:
How can one even compare Logano's "history" and his rise to Cup with that of Patrick? Apples and oranges. One race does not make. Logano before his early stint in Cup had a impressive resume with records and trophies, Joe was so impressed he moved him up to quick. Logano killed it NW, with numerous accomplishments to boot. Patrick came into NW and Cup not do to a anything but a marketing ploy, she has one win in like 17 years. The new style of car certainly suits him, but support wasn't there as he was the third wheel and a thorn in Zippy's side as Zippy was pining away for his beloved Tony, his crew included. Heck they didn't even change the monogramed towels, nothing say "welcome" like that. Logano has prove all along he belongs, it will take many more top 10's other than one to prove this marketing ploy is "the real deal".
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Welcome to the forum KB , glad to have you aboard . I think you're right on the money about Joey , but I can't agree about Danica. She's a lot more than a marketing ploy .She a top fan favorite and has proven herself to be a fairly decent driver . In a field of 43 of the top drivers in the world , she rates about mid pack and improving . I don't think she will get to be a top ten driver , but not many of the other drivers will either. I can see her equalling Montoya's record .
 
ted@economy said:
Welcome to the forum KB , glad to have you aboard . I think you're right on the money about Joey , but I can't agree about Danica. She's a lot more than a marketing ploy .She a top fan favorite and has proven herself to be a fairly decent driver . In a field of 43 of the top drivers in the world , she rates about mid pack and improving . I don't think she will get to be a top ten driver , but not many of the other drivers will either. I can see her equalling Montoya's record .
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Thanks Ted,

Been a long time fan of Logano's and others, noticed some are making comparisons to her and Logano..not even in the ballpark, plenty of other drivers to make comps off of including her current boytoy which is more in her ballpark of stats.

Logano in his first two years - 72 races 1 win, 10 top 5's and 23 top 10's. Patrick in 57 races 1 pole, 2 top 10's. Stenhouse 51 races 1 pole 2 top 5's 6, top 10's. I still think alot of people have lazy journalism disease and don't do their homework, he still seems to be a whipping boy for some reason in the media (I say nice guy syndrome). While I do not share you excitment about Danica, I do conceed a good run is a good run no matter who it is. I do take umbrage with attention it garnered for a 7th place finish, as the majority of her supporters made it out to be the second coming, yet want her to be treated equal (so they say) . If she was to be treated as a race car driver and not a "female" race car driver well it would have been treated like all the other 7th place drivers before and after Kansas, crickets.
 
kbtoys said:
Thanks Ted,

Been a long time fan of Logano's and others, noticed some are making comparisons to her and Logano..not even in the ballpark, plenty of other drivers to make comps off of including her current boytoy which is more in her ballpark of stats.

Logano in his first two years - 72 races 1 win, 10 top 5's and 23 top 10's. Patrick in 57 races 1 pole, 2 top 10's. Stenhouse 51 races 1 pole 2 top 5's 6, top 10's. I still think alot of people have lazy journalism disease and don't do their homework, he still seems to be a whipping boy for some reason in the media (I say nice guy syndrome). While I do not share you excitment about Danica, I do conceed a good run is a good run no matter who it is. I do take umbrage with attention it garnered for a 7th place finish, as the majority of her supporters made it out to be the second coming, yet want her to be treated equal (so they say) . If she was to be treated as a race car driver and not a "female" race car driver well it would have been treated like all the other 7th place drivers before and after Kansas, crickets.
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I think I like this guy lol

I couldn't have said it better myself..... seriously... wtf does umbrage mean? :D
 
kbtoys said:
Thanks Ted,

Been a long time fan of Logano's and others, noticed some are making comparisons to her and Logano..not even in the ballpark, plenty of other drivers to make comps off of including her current boytoy which is more in her ballpark of stats.

Logano in his first two years - 72 races 1 win, 10 top 5's and 23 top 10's. Patrick in 57 races 1 pole, 2 top 10's. Stenhouse 51 races 1 pole 2 top 5's 6, top 10's. I still think alot of people have lazy journalism disease and don't do their homework, he still seems to be a whipping boy for some reason in the media (I say nice guy syndrome). While I do not share you excitment about Danica, I do conceed a good run is a good run no matter who it is. I do take umbrage with attention it garnered for a 7th place finish, as the majority of her supporters made it out to be the second coming, yet want her to be treated equal (so they say) . If she was to be treated as a race car driver and not a "female" race car driver well it would have been treated like all the other 7th place drivers before and after Kansas, crickets.
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I guess we're just hearing different things . :) I've never been 'excited' about her Nascar accomplishments , nor did I think she is the 'second coming ' . I just think that she is nowhere as bad as her detractors say she is . She'll be a mid pack driver which puts her in the elite of auto racing IMO .
 
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