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FLRacingFan said:
Angel Reese has hit the first two 3s of her career tonight. If she can become a bit of a consistent stretch 4 threat… Jesus Christ. Another great performance tonight.
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She has runaway with ROTY IMO. It’s not a competition anymore. She has it locked down.

In fact, I would dare say she may go down in history as the best player of this draft. If not ever. She is already putting up GOAT stats.
 
I actually feel bad for Angel over the fact that her “fans” (they’re not even fans of her and TV rstings and attendance prove that) are insane and are using her as a prop in their race war. I badly wish Angel Reese would denounce the people using her to push a racist agenda.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Angel Reese has hit the first two 3s of her career tonight. If she can become a bit of a consistent stretch 4 threat… Jesus Christ. Another great performance tonight.
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I was shocked when she hit the first one and lost it when she held the three fingers up after the second one. Even she had to laugh about that. LOL. If Angel stays healthy, I'm really going to enjoy watching her learn and grow as a player over time.

Chennedy Carter is also killing it right now. I hope Coach Spoon starts her every game for the rest of the season. I love watching her play and enjoyed the battle between her and Jordan Horston, who I also like.

That Storm/Sky game was my kind of game. I knew they would both play good D, but I didn't think it would be as close as it was. There were a couple of questionable calls at the end, but ehh, welcome to professional sports. Seattle didn't shoot well at all from outside, and I think that ultimately cost them the game.

The Sky is obviously my favorite team right now, but Seattle might be #2. Not sure. More data is needed. The Fever and Liberty play in a little bit, so I'll have to catch the replay of that later.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
She has runaway with ROTY IMO. It’s not a competition anymore. She has it locked down.

In fact, I would dare say she may go down in history as the best player of this draft. If not ever. She is already putting up GOAT stats.
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I think CC has been very good so far, but it’s hard to deny Reese is ROTY favorite right now. Would still say it’s fluid though. Both are perennial double-double threats (even triple-double in CC’s case) as rookies, which is just nuts.

I thought Geno Auriemma had some very good perspective last month about Caitlin coming into the league. He did also say, though, that this rookie class isn’t even one of the best in the past ten years. Since then I think just those two alone have done their part in dispelling that notion.
 
Triple double for Clark. First rookie in history to do it.

FLRacingFan said:
I think CC has been very good so far, but it’s hard to deny Reese is ROTY favorite right now. Would still say it’s fluid though. Both are perennial double-double threats (even triple-double in CC’s case) as rookies, which is just nuts.

I thought Geno Auriemma had some very good perspective last month about Caitlin coming into the league. He did also say, though, that this rookie class isn’t even one of the best in the past ten years. Since then I think just those two alone have done their part in dispelling that notion.
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I don’t think Reese is better than Clark and her winning ROTY won’t mean that. It’s undeniable that Clark is in a much worse situation than Reese.

Stats don’t tell the whole story either. It’s like seeing stats about how Daniel Jones and Gardner Minshew are better than Trevor Lawrence (lol nope).

They also play totally different positions. And honestly, Reese is on the beneficial side of a lot of bad calls, while Clark is on the opposite side of them. I’ve seen so many big plays she makes where she commits two or three fouls in said play.

But Reese has ROTY on lockdown.



Also, watching Angel Reese fans and Caitlin Clark haters on social media is just like watching Bubba Wallace haters. Always gotta bash, and always gotta make it about race somehow.
 
Darn, I forgot the game was on today. I probably missed the best game of Caitlin's career so far. I can't believe that they beat the Liberty. ROTY isn't over yet, there is still a lot of games to be played. If today's performance by Caitlyn is any sign it will be a close call.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I don’t think Reese is better than Clark and her winning ROTY won’t mean that. It’s undeniable that Clark is in a much worse situation than Reese.

Stats don’t tell the whole story either. It’s like seeing stats about how Daniel Jones and Gardner Minshew are better than Trevor Lawrence (lol nope).

They also play totally different positions. And honestly, Reese is on the beneficial side of a lot of bad calls, while Clark is on the opposite side of them. I’ve seen so many big plays she makes where she commits two or three fouls in said play.

But Reese has ROTY on lockdown.



Also, watching Angel Reese fans and Caitlin Clark haters on social media is just like watching Bubba Wallace haters. Always gotta bash, and always gotta make it about race somehow.
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I think, especially after today’s performance by CC, it’s going to remain very fluid throughout the season. I don’t think either one will set themselves apart from the other until after the Olympic break, if at all. Very possible they’re just neck-and-neck the whole season. They’re both quite literally record-breaking performers as rookies.

I think it would be nice if both had some sort of kumbaya moment during the All-Star weekend. Doesn’t matter if it’s orchestrated or organic, but I think it would do well to hopefully quell some of the fanaticism for a time. They’re both on record that they don’t dislike each other at all and would love to play with each other at some point. And quite frankly, I think they’re going to wind up playing together a good bit over the course of their careers.
 
FLRacingFan said:
I think, especially after today’s performance by CC, it’s going to remain very fluid throughout the season. I don’t think either one will set themselves apart from the other until after the Olympic break, if at all. Very possible they’re just neck-and-neck the whole season. They’re both quite literally record-breaking performers as rookies.

I think it would be nice if both had some sort of kumbaya moment during the All-Star weekend. Doesn’t matter if it’s orchestrated or organic, but I think it would do well to hopefully quell some of the fanaticism for a time. They’re both on record that they don’t dislike each other at all and would love to play with each other at some point. And quite frankly, I think they’re going to wind up playing together a good bit over the course of their careers.
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Angel and Caitlin like each other and have both said as much.

Angel knows where her bread is being buttered though. She could, and should IMO, denounce the racist crap going on the same way Caitlin Clark did. But she also knows that her popularity is tied directly to racial tensions.

I resent Dijonai Carrington, A’ja Wilson and Chennedy Carter more for their role in all this. Sheryl Swoopes gets a mention too for constantly lying about Caitlin to cut her down.

A’ja Wilson, more than anybody, is benefiting from the rise of the WNBA. And she absolutely resents that it’s because of a white girl from the Midwest and resents that there are white fans coming in.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Caitlin Clark secures her first career triple-double with 7 minutes left in the game against New York. The rooks are on 🔥 right now.
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FLRacingFan said:
Indiana come back to upset the best damn team in the league. What a freaking game! By far the best win yet for Clark and the Fever.
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Just got done watching it. That was indeed a very good game. Glad Caitlin and the Fever won, and I'm happy for her getting that triple double. These rookies are making history left and right, and as a guy who has happily embraced a bottom half team, I'll never complain about the scrappy bottom half teams beating the top half superteams. You love to see it. 👍

Ay, shout-out to Kelsey Mitchell. I got on her in a previous post for being a little selfish at times, but she really stepped up and made some big shots today. I'm proud of her and of that whole team. I didn't realize that her dad was only 56 when he passed away recently...just two years older than mine when he passed. She's holdin' it down for him. 🥹
 
I watched the postgame celebration clips on X and I’ve got to say, Christie Sides is slowly making me a believer. She seems to be growing into the role she has. The decision making is getting better, she has more trust in both Caitlin and the rest of the team, and she’s brought that locker room together amidst the distractions.

IMO, barring a collapse after the Olympic break, I think Christie Sides has earned an extension.
 
Hadn't checked in on my girl Dijonai Carrington for a little while, so I watched the July 4th Lynx/Sun game. It was a good one.

Dijonai played great. She scored in double figures, hit some threes, and pretty much won the game for the Sun again. The game was close throughout, and she emphatically stuffed Kayla McBride's layup attempt that would have made it a two point game. She then made two clutch free throws and a sneaky layup off an inbound pass right at the end that finished it off. ^_^

Alyssa Thomas, who had a triple-double, is really fascinating to watch. She's the command tower of the Sun, a pass-first big, which is awesome to see. Just get the ball to her and start moving. If you can get open, she'll find you. If you can't, she'll take care of things herself in the post and get a shot or get to the rack. Of course, she's a great defender, too. I see why she's an Olympian.

Sadly for the Lynx, Napheesa Collier is out indefinitely with a foot injury. According to Coach Reeve, she somehow "aggravated a plantar fasciitis condition in her left foot" that she has apparently had since college. Towards the end of the game, she was just jogging from the wing into the paint and then started hopping on one foot and limping. She didn't get hit or anything. I guess she took a wrong step somehow. I don't know. Just a random, freak thing. She never came back to the game and isn't playing tonight. :(

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Lynx's Collier sits with plantar fasciitis issue

Minnesota forward Napheesa Collier aggravated a plantar fasciitis condition in her left foot Thursday, coach Cheryl Reeve said, forcing the U.S. Olympian to miss the Lynx's 74-67 victory over Washington on Saturday, and there's no timetable for a return.
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How about CO-PLAYER of the year: Caitlin Clark & Angel Reese

How do you think CC & AR would react to that.
 
muggle not said:
How about CO-PLAYER of the year: Caitlin Clark & Angel Reese

How do you think CC & AR would react to that.
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No. Should only be one. And it’s Angel Reese.

I do agree that Caitlin Clark is better, A LOT better, but it will all be about stats and Reese is a walking double double.

But I think the W may have to consider it. Especially with the race war going on.

If Reese doesn’t win ROTY, it’s going to be ugly.
 
muggle not said:
How about CO-PLAYER of the year: Caitlin Clark & Angel Reese

How do you think CC & AR would react to that.
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The ROTY vote is made up of sixty voters so it’s pretty unlikely they would split it perfectly evenly. But anything is possible…


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FLRacingFan said:
The ROTY vote is made up of sixty voters so it’s pretty unlikely they would split it perfectly evenly. But anything is possible…
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ROTY should go to the best rookie. IMO, that's Caitlin Clark. Points and assists trump rebounds. And the assists number tells the story of what type of player Clark is.
 
I'm guessing the WNBA is loving all the back and forth among their newly found fan base. From what I've read it looks like an argument could be made for either or both to share the ROTY honors. Pretty tough to simply base the award off of stats alone seeing as they don't play the same positions. Their roles are completely different on the court. One's a Guard and the other a Forward. Seems to me they're both deserving.
 
It is good publicity for the WNBA to have all the conversations about ROTY but the season is only half over. lots could happen in the second half of the season to change the outlook on ROTY. The Fever's defeat of Liberty says a lot about the impact that CC is having with Indiana though. CC is going to keep getting better and better IMHO and may become one of the greats in WNBA history.
 
Just watched the Sky/Storm game. Both teams started out super cold but played good D and warmed up offensively over time. It was a close and good game until Chennedy Carter's silly flagrant foul on Jewell Loyd from behind when she was about to go up for a layup pretty much killed it, for the Sky and for me watching it. Chennedy was lucky that she didn't get tossed for that. I think that had Jewell been fully up in the air and not just getting ready to go up, she would have been outta there, and rightfully so.

Coach Spoon did a good job taking Chennedy aside and calming her down, as she has done throughout the year with various players, but neither team was the same after that. The Storm were more energized, and the Sky just kinda went through the motions for a stretch. The Sky made one last little push towards the end and got the deficit down to 3 points, but Seattle did what good teams do and pulled away at the end.

The WNBA is super competitive and physical. These girls play hard, and I really enjoy watching them when it's kept clean. I hate those rare moments when players momentarily lose their cool and step over the line like that. I still love you, Chennedy, but you gotta chill and get buckets, not flagrants.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I'm guessing the WNBA is loving all the back and forth among their newly found fan base. From what I've read it looks like an argument could be made for either or both to share the ROTY honors. Pretty tough to simply base the award off of stats alone seeing as they don't play the same positions. Their roles are completely different on the court. One's a Guard and the other a Forward. Seems to me they're both deserving.
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Yeah, that’s exactly where I'm at. Like I said earlier, it's a completely subjective debate and just depends on whatever you personally value more. A strong case could easily be made for both of them. They're both super rookies who are making history.

Clark just became the first rookie to ever get a triple-double, and Reese just broke the record for most consecutive double-doubles, a record that was set by one of my all-time favorites, Candace Parker, who set it over two seasons, not just one. If these two young ladies can stay healthy, the sky is the limit for them, and I'm here for it.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The other caveat I have in ROTY, Indiana's had a much tougher schedule than Chicago so far. And, in spite of that, has a better record.
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True that. They’ve had the toughest SOS in the league by far, and are still in a playoff spot. Indiana has the second-easiest schedule remaining (while Chicago has the fourth-toughest), it’ll be interesting to see if Clark can explode for some even bigger stat lines.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I'm guessing the WNBA is loving all the back and forth among their newly found fan base. From what I've read it looks like an argument could be made for either or both to share the ROTY honors. Pretty tough to simply base the award off of stats alone seeing as they don't play the same positions. Their roles are completely different on the court. One's a Guard and the other a Forward. Seems to me they're both deserving.
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It’s a great battle and both have developed and performed quite a bit better than many expected, especially Reese, who was supposed to be more of a project down at #7. It’s equal parts funny and frustrating seeing either fan base trying to definitely crown one ROTY on an almost nightly basis.
 
FLRacingFan said:
It’s a great battle and both have developed and performed quite a bit better than many expected, especially Reese, who was supposed to be more of a project down at #7. It’s equal parts funny and frustrating seeing either fan base trying to definitely crown one ROTY on an almost nightly basis.
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We're on the same wavelength. I obviously have zero say in the ROTY decision and therefore couldn't care less which of those two equally deserving girls is chosen. I'm already dreading the salty hot takes that will surely come regardless. They could even choose both of them, like you said, and somebody somewhere would still be heated over it. I guess that's just how some folks are with professional sports.

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Can someone explain this one to me.

Every post I see about Angel Reese now is declaring her the "Queen" of basketball, the "rebound queen," the "double double queen," "Queen Angel" and so on.

I've been saying that Angel Reese's fanbase is clinically insane, but this is one of the weirdest aspects of it. Is this their way of declaring that Angel Reese, not Caitlin Clark, is the face of women's basketball?
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Can someone explain this one to me.

Every post I see about Angel Reese now is declaring her the "Queen" of basketball, the "rebound queen," the "double double queen," "Queen Angel" and so on.

I've been saying that Angel Reese's fanbase is clinically insane, but this is one of the weirdest aspects of it. Is this their way of declaring that Angel Reese, not Caitlin Clark, is the face of women's basketball?
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Assuming that you're being serious and not just joking or stirring the pot here, I think you're reading too much into this. People giving their favorite player a nickname or nicknames obviously doesn't make them "clinically insane" and shouldn't automatically be perceived as a slight to anyone else, unless the other person is directly referenced in the nickname. If King James has been fine for all these years, Queen Angel should be fine, too. Your personal (Double-Double) Queen can be Caitlin or whoever else you want. It really shouldn't matter.

Heck, I've caught myself calling Angel "Rebound Bae" a few times, because she cute and she gets them boards. One of the commentators for a recent Sun game called DiJonai Carrington "Honey Dijon," and that and "ThreeJionai" have both stuck with me. They're just nicknames. As a great man once said, that's all it is, and that's all it's gon' be. I can't and won't speak for anybody else, but for me, it has absolutely nothing at all to do with Caitlin and everything to do with the specific players being referenced.
 
Mr. Gregory said:
One of the commentators for a recent Sun game called DiJonai Carrington "Honey Dijon," and that and "ThreeJionai" have both stuck with me.
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LOL, I butchered that one, and she's one of my favorites, too. Wow. What did they call her, you fool? My bad, ThreeJonai. ^_^

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Mr. Gregory said:
Assuming that you're being serious and not just joking or stirring the pot here, I think you're reading too much into this. People giving their favorite player a nickname or nicknames obviously doesn't make them "clinically insane" and shouldn't automatically be perceived as a slight to anyone else, unless the other person is directly referenced in the nickname. If King James has been fine for all these years, Queen Angel should be fine, too. Your personal (Double-Double) Queen can be Caitlin or whoever else you want. It really shouldn't matter.

Heck, I've caught myself calling Angel "Rebound Bae" a few times, because she cute and she gets them boards. One of the commentators for a recent Sun game called DiJonai Carrington "Honey Dijon," and that and "ThreeJionai" have both stuck with me. They're just nicknames. As a great man once said, that's all it is, and that's all it's gon' be. I can't and won't speak for anybody else, but for me, it has absolutely nothing at all to do with Caitlin and everything to do with the specific players being referenced.
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I mean, she's always gone by "Barbie." There was Bayou Barbie, Chi-Town Barbie, and now Double Double Barbie.

I know the "Queen" thing is part of culture, but it's still weird. Most of the times I see her referred to as Queen, it's in a post trying to diminish Caitlin Clark's accomplishments - which is why I think it's more than just liking Angel Reese.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I mean, she's always gone by "Barbie." There was Bayou Barbie, Chi-Town Barbie, and now Double Double Barbie.

I know the "Queen" thing is part of culture, but it's still weird. Most of the times I see her referred to as Queen, it's in a post trying to diminish Caitlin Clark's accomplishments - which is why I think it's more than just liking Angel Reese.
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Yeah, I actually like the "Barbie" nicknames. I had only heard "Bayou Barbie" before, but it makes sense that that would change slightly. It can change to Queen, too. That's fine. Like I said, DiJonai apparently has or has had at least two nicknames.

Again, I don't claim to speak for anybody but myself here. I think at least part of the trash talk you're describing just stems from the inherent competition in sports, but regardless, it's silly to me, as is the fact that it seems to affect you on some level. I dunno, I guess I'm just a different type of fan. I don't take trash talk about my favorite participants in subjective forms of entertainment personally. If Caitlin's your girl, that's all that should matter. Haters' opinions are irrelevant.

Oh my gosh, just Googled it, and somebody sells 3JONAI shirts. I'm getting one. Let's go. ^_^
 
None of the names or name calling changes the fact that CC is the most fun player to watch. Her long 3's are electric and her passing is just unbelievable. Her presence on the court outshines any other player.
 
^ Andrew, take notes. If you're gonna be a Caitlin superfan, that's how it's done. Just love and support your favorite, shout your opinion to the world, and disregard the haters and naysayers.
 
Angel Reese getting Player of the Week when Caitlin Clark broke numerous records, became the first rookie to record a triple double, beat the best team in the WNBA, and leads in points+assists shows that, no matter what, Angel Reese will be Rookie of the Year. And, yes, I think a triple double should change the calculus - especially when it was against the best team in the league.

It won't even matter either. Clark is clearly the best and most exciting rookie ... and in spite of the frantic efforts to push a new face of the sport, the TV ratings and attendance for the Caitlin Clark Experience continue to be insane.

It might be time for the WNBA to quit appeasing a very small but rabid minority and go back to promoting the reason people are here.
 
I doubt that any of us even know just how popular CC is. Besides the Nike deal she also has a deal with Wilson. Plese read the article to the end.

Caitlin Clark's Signature Basketball Draws Eye-Opening Complaint​

 
Just ordered my Three-Jonai shirt. ^_^

Looks like I get a break today, but there are some good games on tap for the rest of this week. There's a bunch of action tomorrow.

- Sun/Liberty at 11 a.m.

- Fever/Mystics and Sky/Dream at noon

- Storm/Aces at 3 p.m.

- Mercury/Wings also play at 3:30 p.m., but I'll probably skip that one

Every game but the first one (at least for me) should be watchable live via League Pass, subject to local blackouts. The Fever/Mystics game is also available on NBA TV. I'll definitely have to make myself scarce on here for a minute until I can get fully caught up.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
It might be time for the WNBA to quit appeasing a very small but rabid minority and go back to promoting the reason people are here.
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See, this is what I was talking about downstairs, about respecting the realm you're walking into. You new folks who are in the Church of Caitlin might be here for her and only her, and that's fine if so. Trust me, I get it. Just understand and respect the fact that there are plenty of others like me and all the long-term fans who were here before you, have different church homes, and are here for their favorite players and the league as a whole (which obviously includes Caitlin, by the way).
 
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