Well, if they don't get the injunction they haven't sold crap. I guess it may even be possible that a judge would grant an injunction for the existing charters but not for the purchase of any new ones?
Their drivers might have an out, but where are they going to go? There was zero chatter around Bubba being a free agent, Noah went to FRM because he lost his ride, I don't see Todd going anywhere besides maybe a 3rd RFK car but it sound like Preece is front runner for that.
I doubt a judge will know that. It's part of the hardship, we will lose everything judge if you don't give us back out charters. Nascar says you will get them back plus damages if you win.
They did zero for the development for stock cars. Nascar gave them a car to race. That was an earlier argument he made that they're forced purchase everything from Nascar.
Ganassi, Andretti, RLL, etc. run in multiple series.
Gave? You might want to check on that. Teams purchase cars & parts that are not allowed to be used/sold for any purpose other than Cup racing. Sure seems like a monopoly to me. I wonder, when teams purchase cars/parts from the "outside vendors", does NASCAR get a cut of that? From my perspective, NASCAR has their grubby fingers in everyone's pockets.
Uh, no. I would be questioning who I hired for a lawyer. lol.
The teams wanted nascar to develop and present the car to them to "Save us from ourselves".
Drivers and teams come and go, but "my" car make has always been there. If that's not your thing, that's fine, but I totally get where Rev is coming from. The only thing I don't agree with him about is his blind loyalty. If "my" manufacturer screws the pooch, I'll be the FIRST guy to call them out. (I am Totally not cool with whatever Chevy's involvement in the Martinsville fiasco was). NASCAR fandom was built on manufacturer fandom as much as anything. That's why Richard Howard was willing to give Junior Johnson a wheelbarrow full of money to build a competitive Chevy in 1971 because he wanted to sell tickets to all those GM fans that were on the outside looking in. It's STILL why NASCAR wants another manufacturer.
I can understand having that attitude back in the day. Now the race cars have almost nothing in common with what's at the dealership, and far more in common with the competing brands on the track. Since I've became a fan in '95, there's been little on the track to build a relationship on, and it becomes less with every generation of car. That doesn't keep me from enjoying the races, but it doesn't give me reason to care about whose label is on the car. I feel the same way about Indy and F1.
Really?
I respect this post, and it is well said. I won't say that I disagree because based on your context I don't. However, my take on this is that a race car is an expression of an OEM's brand and culture. For me, the cornerstones of TRD are the same as Toyota. So, whether I am driving my 4 Runner---while it has nothing to do mechanically with the NASCAR Camry--the culture that went into its build and design is the same as what goes into a NASCAR Camry. Having said all of that, TRD/Toyota has always been set up differently than the other OEMs, so we may not be comparing apples to oranges.
Thanks man. I get that I am a lot different in my approach. When WE came to NASCAR, I was jacked because I wanted to be part of that manufacturer loyalty....I love the Ford v. Chevy thing. Sometimes I surprise myself with the intensity of my loyalty, but it's all so fun for me. I know that people have their issues with this sport, but I am jumping on a plane in a few hours, and I am more excited than I have ever been to get to the track. I mean, like completely over the top out of my mind excited. This is my happy place. What makes it even more fun for me is that I can be driver specific this weekend. Usually, I just want a Toyota to win. This weekend, it's Tyler, and only Tyler. Instead of my usual Toyota/TRD gear, I get a chance to don my 23XI stuff and be both driver and manufacture specific. Best of all worlds! I simply cannot wait to get to the garage tomorrow to watch them work on the 45. That is my happiest place. The cars. The crews. The TRD engineers. Doing their thing. Damn. So blessed to have found this sport, and to be able to go.
I gotcha man, but it is important to note that I 100% don't think that Bell had any right to be in the Championship 4. The bull**** had nothing to do with it. The 20 did not execute, and they didn't need to do much. I will agree that most of my stuff is so biased, but I have a rare nugget of sanity from time to time. I think I was also pretty objective when TRD **** the bed with Denny's motor, and cost him dearly. I am growing.
Yes really! What money did either of those teams have into the development of this car? Now they've dumped a fortune into dissecting the parts and pieces they've been given, but no one made them do that.
There's a big difference between the development of the design and construction processes required for an all new car and the development of the completed platform for competitive racing purposes.
We've been around and round on this car nonsense forever. Many of the larger teams manufacture parts for the car. it was a joint effort. Again joint effort and it continues today. It is common practice in manufacturing to have "rights" on designs and processes. It is Nascar's car. It is built to race in the Nascar series. F-1 cars are built to race in the F-1 series. This is common industry practice to build the damn car a certain way to race in a racing series. Uh duh. What's next anti trust on banderelo's
This is a great point and is exactly why the next generation of bodies are going to be crossovers like the electric prototype they unveiled earlier this year.
Going into Martinsville, I thought Bell had enough of a lead to be a shoo-in. I suspect I wasn't the only one.
Nonsense. The car was built to specs. That if you remember was done while they were under the last charter agreement and guess who went along with it. Now all of a sudden it isn't competitive in the series? These clowns want to go back to the old way that was running teams out of business financially because only the big money teams were left? I don't think some of ya have been paying attention,
