Sorry, but if you HAVE to rely on others to win.......it is retarded in my book. Seeing guys try and make a move, then nobody goes with them and they drop like a rock because they are trying to move ahead is not racing. Not saying there is no skill, there obviously is incredible talent to run at 200 miles an hour in huge packs. Then of course there are the massive crashes caused by this type of chaos which some seem to love, but I'm not one of them. No matter, this debate will go on forever. I have my views, and you have yours which makes the world go round.