2024 Next Gen Car

Turtle84 said:
I read this like 12 times already, and have decided to leave it to the professionals, does that mean the car will be too loose to drive without the undertray/diffuser?
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That’s exactly what it means.

Approx. 75 % of total downforce is generated by the toys under the Gen 7 car.
 
aunty dive said:
That’s exactly what it means.

Approx. 75 % of total downforce is generated by the toys under the Gen 7 car.
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Liked what I saw yesterday with the Simple Diffuser and HP boost, there were more loose condition moments than I originally thought, plenty of green flag passes on track thru the field. Less downforce More horsepower. More falloff and if Goodyear is willing to bring an even slightly softer tire to reduce grip later in the run and push the envelope there it could get even better (delicate balance with their name on it).

Heard a good amount of throttle play in the corner, I think they’re one hundred percent pointed the right direction of where they’re trying to go and what they’re trying to make the car do.
 
Turtle84 said:
Liked what I saw yesterday with the Simple Diffuser and HP boost, there were more loose condition moments than I originally thought, plenty of green flag passes on track thru the field. Less downforce More horsepower. More falloff and if Goodyear is willing to bring an even slightly softer tire to reduce grip later in the run and push the envelope there it could get even better (delicate balance with their name on it).

Heard a good amount of throttle play in the corner, I think they’re one hundred percent pointed the right direction of where they’re trying to go and what they’re trying to make the car do.
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I still don't think they went far enough with the aero. Until cars start spinning out on their own on a regular basis keep taking downforce away.
 
wi_racefan said:
I still don't think they went far enough with the aero. Until cars start spinning out on their own on a regular basis keep taking downforce away.
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wi_racefan said:
... I just want a car that showcases a drivers talent
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I've been pleading for years for a skill-based meritocracy, but creating a car that's inherently unstable is not the way to do it. Also, creating a car that flies at the slightest provocation is not a good idea either.

A decade ago, cup cars were generating circa 3,200 pounds of aerodynamic downforce, IIRC. Yesterday, according to Larry Mac, the comparable number was 625 pounds. I think that's a good place to be to showcase driver skill, without becoming a sh**show of wrecks and carnage.

The way to accomplish what you (and I) are asking for is a combination of more horsepower and/or less drag. Less drag is the key, IMO. The NextGen car is loaded with aerodynamic drag, and that just saps the horsepower. Remember, the original intent was to have the 1.5 mile tracks drive and race like Talladega, flat-footed WFO from green flag to checkers. That's what the car was designed for, and the high drag imposed upon the leading car was a crucial part of that (misguided) equation.

The current car is so drag-y that adding 80 HP this weekend was barely detectable. I favor a re-design of the car to lose the excess drag, but that's not cheap (guessing). But returning to 850-900 HP also is not cheap, or so Nascar tells us. But 750 HP is plenty... if the drag is lower like it should be. More acceleration, more corner entry speed, more braking, more off-throttle or partial-throttle time... all the race car driving good stuff (in my opinion).
 
It will be interesting to see what the future brings. Nascar over the years has never stopped working on the car and so far even with the re organization they continue to do so. This last change appeared to put a little more into the driver's hands instead of the techno part of things. The car is so much more important than who is driving it these days that any swing back the other way is a good thing IMO.
 
wi_racefan said:
I still don't think they went far enough with the aero. Until cars start spinning out on their own on a regular basis keep taking downforce away.
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The problem with this is it also inherently benefits the top engineered teams considerably as well. The 2018 package was essentially this and we wound up with Truex, Harvick and Busch winning 10 of 15 1.5-2 mile races that season. And those 3 won all of them before the playoffs started!
 
LewTheShoe said:
I've been pleading for years for a skill-based meritocracy, but creating a car that's inherently unstable is not the way to do it. Also, creating a car that flies at the slightest provocation is not a good idea either.

A decade ago, cup cars were generating circa 3,200 pounds of aerodynamic downforce, IIRC. Yesterday, according to Larry Mac, the comparable number was 625 pounds. I think that's a good place to be to showcase driver skill, without becoming a sh**show of wrecks and carnage.

The way to accomplish what you (and I) are asking for is a combination of more horsepower and/or less drag. Less drag is the key, IMO. The NextGen car is loaded with aerodynamic drag, and that just saps the horsepower. Remember, the original intent was to have the 1.5 mile tracks drive and race like Talladega, flat-footed WFO from green flag to checkers. That's what the car was designed for, and the high drag imposed upon the leading car was a crucial part of that (misguided) equation.

The current car is so drag-y that adding 80 HP this weekend was barely detectable. I favor a re-design of the car to lose the excess drag, but that's not cheap (guessing). But returning to 850-900 HP also is not cheap, or so Nascar tells us. But 750 HP is plenty... if the drag is lower like it should be. More acceleration, more corner entry speed, more braking, more off-throttle or partial-throttle time... all the race car driving good stuff (in my opinion).
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Narrow the roofline and cut the spoiler down
 
Mispeedway15 said:
The problem with this is it also inherently benefits the top engineered teams considerably as well. The 2018 package was essentially this and we wound up with Truex, Harvick and Busch winning 10 of 15 1.5-2 mile races that season. And those 3 won all of them before the playoffs started!
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Was it the top teams or the most talented drivers? The way SHR fell off the map clearly they weren't a tip engineering team
 
Mispeedway15 said:
Narrow the roofline and cut the spoiler down
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They don't need no stinking roofs.

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I know I have looked at a lot of older races from the era 90, 91 and earlier that Mark was talking about. Like he said only a small handful of cars could run with each other but passes were made. I do wish Nascar and the teams would get on board with the idea, or at least try the Darlington package on a 1.5 mile track for a start and see what it is like with less D/F. The car is so much more important than the driver these days with aero and D/f engineers working around the clock.
 
Race cars are not supposed to be easy to drive. I feel like this car has been too easy as compared to previous cars. Increase the horsepower to 850, take off downforce, and softer tires. I like what I saw at Phoenix and Darlington. They need to take it a bit further.
 
MRM said:
Race cars are not supposed to be easy to drive. I feel like this car has been too easy as compared to previous cars. Increase the horsepower to 850, take off downforce, and softer tires. I like what I saw at Phoenix and Darlington. They need to take it a bit further.
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Not going to get into o/t which version of car is easier to drive over the other, but I hope Mark Martin lit a fire that can't be put out to at least go in the direction of less D/F. Nascar's version of less D/F and Mark's version are two different things. Even a compromise try of half of what they have for down force would be a good test to start with IMO.
 
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