2025 NASCAR TV contract

AndyMarquisLive said:
They might decide to put a couple races on Fox Nation to boost its subscription numbers.
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I will go out of my way to find them illegally if that's the case.
 
Formerjackman said:
As long as they get THEIR piece of the pie, they could care less about anyone else, with fans and sponsors who need the TV exposure at the very bottom of the barrel. All Brian France could talk about when he was on the Download was money, money money, and I don't think much has changed in Daytona Beach. If somebody would give then ten billion to only broadcast Cup races on a cable access channel at 2AM in Cedar Rapids Iowa, I think they would take it. It all becomes nothing but a weenie measuring contest, and the guy that signs the biggest deal gets bragging rights. Whether the deal is actually worth a damn or not is irrelevant as long as the checks cash.
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NASCAR is in business to make money. I don't know why some here (not just you) have a hard time remembering that. The amount of money is the primary way NASCAR decides whether 'the deal is actually worth a damn'. It's their contract; their criteria for it are all that matters, and the only ones that SHOULD matter.
 
Formerjackman said:
As long as they get THEIR piece of the pie, they could care less about anyone else, with fans and sponsors who need the TV exposure at the very bottom of the barrel. All Brian France could talk about when he was on the Download was money, money money, and I don't think much has changed in Daytona Beach. If somebody would give then ten billion to only broadcast Cup races on a cable access channel at 2AM in Cedar Rapids Iowa, I think they would take it. It all becomes nothing but a weenie measuring contest, and the guy that signs the biggest deal gets bragging rights. Whether the deal is actually worth a damn or not is irrelevant as long as the checks cash.
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Tonight's Jaguars/Jets game on Amazon Prime will get more viewers than most, if not all, NASCAR races get. 🤷‍♂️

The more money NASCAR makes, the more money the teams make. I hope teams get a bigger piece of the pie, and if the pie is bigger, everyone wins.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
NASCAR is in business to make money. I don't know why some here (not just you) have a hard time remembering that. The amount of money is the primary way NASCAR decides whether 'the deal is actually worth a damn'. It's their contract; their criteria for it are all that matters, and the only ones that SHOULD matter.
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Capitalism, baby!

It's amazing how quickly race fans turn into socialists.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
NASCAR is going to accept whatever makes them the most money. They may consider which formats get the most value for the car sponsors, but it isn't likely to be their top priority.

The broadcast partners are going to use the channels they think will make them the most money overall. Note that making the most money does not automatically equate to capturing the largest number of viewers.
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If they just wanted the highest dollar value NASCAR would take a deal with a heavier diet of digital than they’re expected to. Phelps is on record as wanting to maintain a heavy broadcast presence due to being so sponsor-dependent.
 
Spotter22 said:
That's by Market, not Nationwide so unless you buy an alternate service you cant watch all NFL games
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NASCAR and the NFL isn’t comparable at all. Every fan gets their home market game on ABC, CBS, Fox, NBC IN ADDITION to 3-4 other “national” games.
 
AuzGrams said:
NASCAR and the NFL isn’t comparable at all. Every fan gets their home market game on ABC, CBS, Fox, NBC IN ADDITION to 3-4 other “national” games.
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Thats what I said, unless NFL fans buy " Sunday Ticket" they cant see all of the NFL games no matter what Market they live in so your 90% of NFL games are on Network TV doesnt hold water
 
Charlie Spencer said:
NASCAR is in business to make money. I don't know why some here (not just you) have a hard time remembering that. The amount of money is the primary way NASCAR decides whether 'the deal is actually worth a damn'. It's their contract; their criteria for it are all that matters, and the only ones that SHOULD matter.
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Well, my philosophy is do the right things for the right reasons and the money will come. The money should come by making the sport better, making it more easily accessible to the largest possible audience, vastly increasing the number of people who attend in person, and the number of sponsors who want to write huge checks. Mega broadcast deals that ONLY enrich the France family and MAYBE throw some more money the team owner's way is narrow thinking. In the never ending pursuit of the biggest deal, they have allowed the broadcasters to have far too much control over the product, putting THEIR desires ahead of what is good for the sport itself and the people who support it. The horrible start times that have helped diminish the at track crowd, which in turn creates a very bad look for casual TV viewers and to current and potential sponsors is just ONE example.
 
Spotter22 said:
Thats what I said, unless NFL fans buy " Sunday Ticket" they cant see all of the NFL games no matter what Market they live in so your 90% of NFL games are on Network TV doesnt hold water
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I just said you can’t compare the two. If NASCAR was like the NFL they wouldn’t be on Peacock. Lol
 
Formerjackman said:
Well, my philosophy is do the right things for the right reasons and the money will come. The money should come by making the sport better, making it more easily accessible to the largest possible audience, vastly increasing the number of people who attend in person, and the number of sponsors who want to write huge checks. Mega broadcast deals that ONLY enrich the France family and MAYBE throw some more money the team owner's way is narrow thinking. In the never ending pursuit of the biggest deal, they have allowed the broadcasters to have far too much control over the product, putting THEIR desires ahead of what is good for the sport itself and the people who support it. The horrible start times that have helped diminish the at track crowd, which in turn creates a very bad look for casual TV viewers and to current and potential sponsors is just ONE example.
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I agree with you on most of these points. When we start our racing series, we'll run it that way. In the meantime, I don't see any ownership seats open at NASCAR's table.
 
AuzGrams said:
I’m still waiting for Sunday morning 1 PM, afternoon and evening games on ESPN+ & Peacock exclusive.
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ESPN+ has had Sunday morning exclusive games.

Peacock has Sunday morning exclusive MLB.

ESPN+ has primetime exclusive NBA and NHL.

A primetime game with major playoff implications is on Amazon Prime right now.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
How dare NASCAR try to maximize profits for the series, the teams, the tracks, and for ARCA and the Modifieds and Weekly Racing Series.

They need to just pay to have all their races on CBS so Grandpa can watch it.
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Maximizing profits for TV money isn’t good exposure for a sponsor. But hey, as long as Grandpa is miserable everyone else here is happy.
 
I pay $150/year for FloRacing. And, you know what, they could charge $250/year and I'd pay it to watch Chili, USAC, NASCAR and SMART Mods, NASCAR Weekly racing, Lucas Oil Dirt and more.
 
AuzGrams said:
Maximizing profits for TV money isn’t good exposure for a sponsor. But hey, as long as Grandpa is miserable everyone else here is happy.
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If "Grandpa" can't afford $5/month for Peacock or $65/month for cable, why would sponsors want to advertise their product to him?
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
If "Grandpa" can't afford $5/month for Peacock or $65/month for cable, why would sponsors want to advertise their product to him?
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He should probably just croak and die I guess? He already pays for cable why not rip him and his family off more. 🤦‍♂️
 
AuzGrams said:
He should probably just croak and die I guess? He already pays for cable why not rip him and his family off more.
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It's a business.

And people who can only afford to watch TV on a 20-year-old Zenith with rabbit ears and a government provided converter box ain't buying what advertisers are selling.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
It's a business.

And people who can only afford to watch TV on a 20-year-old Zenith with rabbit ears and a government provided converter box ain't buying what advertisers are selling.
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He should just croak and die so Elon and Jeff can get a few more pennies.
 
Formerjackman said:
As long as they get THEIR piece of the pie, they could care less about anyone else, with fans and sponsors who need the TV exposure at the very bottom of the barrel. All Brian France could talk about when he was on the Download was money, money money, and I don't think much has changed in Daytona Beach. If somebody would give then ten billion to only broadcast Cup races on a cable access channel at 2AM in Cedar Rapids Iowa, I think they would take it. It all becomes nothing but a weenie measuring contest, and the guy that signs the biggest deal gets bragging rights. Whether the deal is actually worth a damn or not is irrelevant as long as the checks cash.
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I gave you a shred of credibility with some of your posts over the years but this one is just ridiculous. The TV Networks make money off of Subscription services + Ad revenue, they also make money from ad revenue with non subscription services like OTA programming then revenue from cable tier packages. Networks are in business to make money and companies pay money for exposure, not at 2am in Cedar Rapids.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
ESPN+ has had Sunday morning exclusive games.

Peacock has Sunday morning exclusive MLB.

ESPN+ has primetime exclusive NBA and NHL.

A primetime game with major playoff implications is on Amazon Prime right now.
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How often are NASCAR top 3 series races all on at the same time.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
ESPN+ has had Sunday morning exclusive games.

Peacock has Sunday morning exclusive MLB.

ESPN+ has primetime exclusive NBA and NHL.

A primetime game with major playoff implications is on Amazon Prime right now.
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The NBA isn’t on ESPN+ exclusively. Get 100% of your facts right before deflecting.

The ONLY ESPN+ NFL game is the Sunday morning London game, which is very irrelevant in a lot of the US but sure money.
 
AuzGrams said:
The NBA isn’t on ESPN+ exclusively. Get 100% of your facts right before deflecting.

The ONLY ESPN+ NFL game is the Sunday morning London game, which is very irrelevant in a lot of the US but sure money.
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NASCAR won't be on Peacock exclusively either. Just a handful of races.

And we don't even know that this will be the deal.
 
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