2025 Rule Changes

[StandOnIt]

 

[StandOnIt]

 

[StandOnIt]

 

[StandOnIt]

Larger field under the "right" reasons.

 

[StandOnIt]

 

[Formerjackman]

I can't really disagree with ANY of these changes. I especially like the DVP changes. Nice to see NASCAR can occasionally pull their head out of their butt long enough to get some things right.

 

[Charlie Spencer]

One thing that caught my eye was the 'Open Exemption Provisional' does not earn prize money. From Jayski's summary:

If the OEP is used, the driver/car owner will NOT be eligible for race points, playoff points, prize money, or any tiebreaker benefit of finishing position.

 

[Charlie Spencer]

Still no explicit denial of waivers for drivers who were suspended for on-track actions, I see.

 

[StandOnIt]

One thing that caught my eye was the 'Open Exemption Provisional' does not earn prize money. From Jayski's summary:

Only problem is what defines an open exemption provisional driver? Lol

 

[kkfan91]

We're back baby

 

[StandOnIt]

Still no explicit denial of waivers for drivers who were suspended for on-track actions, I see.

They possibly loose all playoff points...if they have any.

 

[Charlie Spencer]

Larger field under the "right" reasons.

No, Mr. Gluck, Helio is NOT already in. The 'Guest Star' provisional has to be applied for 90 days in advance. That deadline for the D500 is well past.

 

[StandOnIt]

Somebody woke the f up.

No, Mr. Gluck, Helio is NOT already in. The 'Guest Star' provisional has to be applied for 90 days in advance. That deadline for the D500 is well past.

Confirmed from NASCAR: Trackhouse requested this new "OEP" for Helio Castroneves in time for the Daytona 500, and he has been approved. He will be in the race no matter what. It was in new charter agreement, so charter teams knew about it (even if we didn't until now).

 

[Charlie Spencer]

Only problem is what defines an open exemption provisional driver? Lol

Pop Quiz: One of these could be considered an 'Open Exemption Provisional' driver. Is it

a) Mike Wallace
b) Anthony Alfredo
c) BJ McLeod
d) Helio Castroneves

 

[Charlie Spencer]

Confirmed from NASCAR: Trackhouse requested this new "OEP" for Helio Castroneves in time for the Daytona 500, and he has been approved. He will be in the race no matter what. It was in new charter agreement, so charter teams knew about it (even if we didn't until now).

Gracias.

 

[Blaze]

If Helio ends up racing his way end, then he would get the prize money correct? Like the rule doesn’t apply unless he has to fall back on it, I would think.

 

[StandOnIt]

If Helio ends up racing his way end, then he would get the prize money correct? Like the rule doesn’t apply unless he has to fall back on it, I would think.

You're guess is as good as any. They need to spell that out more IMO.

 

[Charlie Spencer]

If Helio ends up racing his way end, then he would get the prize money correct? Like the rule doesn’t apply unless he has to fall back on it, I would think.

As I understand it, it's not a rule he'll fall back on. Having the application accepted locks him into the conditions.

 

[Blaze]

As I understand it, it's not a rule he'll fall back on. Having the application accepted locks him into the conditions.

Well dang. I’m sure he doesn’t probably care about the money anyway tbh.

 

[StandOnIt]

More clarification.

 

[Charlie Spencer]

So if you're a one-win wonder with minimal playoff points to lose, have at it. You're still guaranteed 16th place.

 

[DIDIT]

Larger field under the "right" reasons.

I could see multiple drivers/teams applying for an open exemption provisional for the Daytona 500 and NASCAR would need to decide who is the most "significant contributor." Soon thereafter followed by a lawsuit.

 

[Charlie Spencer]

I could see multiple drivers/teams applying for an open exemption provisional for the Daytona 500

With no payoff?

 

[aunty dive]

I guess this fits here …

 

[Spotter22]

I guess this fits here …

That's gonna make Mark Martin really mad.

 

[DIDIT]

With no payoff?

I looked but could not find a definition of "prize money" in the context of OEP. Not sure if that is a significant factor.

 

[StandOnIt]

I looked but could not find a definition of "prize money" in the context of OEP. Not sure if that is a significant factor.

Yeah some of these rules are pretty vague. I don't know if they should call them rules, they probably should say "At Nascar's disgression"

 

[KTMLew01]

Yeah some of these rules are pretty vague. I don't know if they should call them rules, they probably should say "At Nascar's disgression"

 

[donthaveanickname]

One thing that caught my eye was the 'Open Exemption Provisional' does not earn prize money. From Jayski's summary:

The way I'm reading this the provisional would only be used if the driver in question fails to qualify.

 

[StandOnIt]

The way I'm reading this the provisional would only be used if the driver in question fails to qualify.

Helio already has it. Maybe there is stuff we don't know like reduced entry fees or other reductions

 

[StandOnIt]

 

[Charlie Spencer]

Teams would do that?

 

[donthaveanickname]

Helio already has it. Maybe there is stuff we don't know like reduced entry fees or other reductions

If he qualifies on time or in the duel ge won't need it though. And he and Trackhouse would get prize money.

 

[Charlie Spencer]

The way I'm reading this the provisional would only be used if the driver in question fails to qualify.

If he qualifies on time or in the duel ge won't need it though. And he and Trackhouse would get prize money.

I may have misunderstood how it works. That shouldn't surprise anyone who's been here more than ten minutes.

 

[KTMLew01]

I may have misunderstood how it works. That shouldn't surprise anyone who's been here more than ten minutes.

 

[StandOnIt]

If he qualifies on time or in the duel ge won't need it though. And he and Trackhouse would get prize money.

You could be right. Give it a shot at qualifying, but uf that doesn't work take the provisional. My question is he was already named for the spot, what happens if someone else comes along? Time for Nascar's rubber rule book I guess.

 

[hmmm298]

I see it as losing the chance to make it on time (and the benefits of such) etc as the cost of getting the guaranteed spot it provides without having a charter. I could be wrong.

 

[Blaze]

You could be right. Give it a shot at qualifying, but uf that doesn't work take the provisional. My question is he was already named for the spot, what happens if someone else comes along? Time for Nascar's rubber rule book I guess.

Probably would be too late I would guess. I’m gonna guess they asked for it for him way before it was announced, because the rule is asking 90 days before the event. So anyone who hasn’t asked yet is late to the party.

 

[hmmm298]

I understand car counts aren’t really high enough for this to be necessary often, but do we know if there’s a limit on this?

Just for example could Trackhouse come with a new Project 91 driver say once a month and use it if they wanted to? Or can they only do it say a couple of times a year?

Also we got a “Kyle Larson rule” regarding waivers. Maybe this is the “Trackhouse rule”, though there are definitely other times I could see it being used, for example with 23XI last year and Kobayashi.

 

[Daytripper]

Probably would be too late I would guess. I’m gonna guess they asked for it for him way before it was announced, because the rule is asking 90 days before the event. So anyone who hasn’t asked yet is late to the party.

As history has shown us, if NASCAR wanted to bend the rule they would.