All-Star race experimentation receives mostly high marks

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by StandOnIt, May 20, 2018.

  1. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    I agree that it is a different world and some niche sports like the NHL have adapted well and prospered and others like Nascar have floundered. The recently concluded Winter Classic packed in close to 80K on New Year’s Day at Notre Dame Stadium.

    One has been managed well and the other has been grossly mismanaged. No rig, no a and no marole on that one.
     
  2. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    BZF
     
  3. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    comparison to a simple game, doesn't make any sense either..but please continue. What's next cell phones to the auto industry?
     
  4. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    I wouldn’t describe the NHL as simple at all as it is full of highly skilled athletes and astute businessmen.
     
  5. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    As regards growing the series, there's no way to tell the effects if those changes hadn't been made.
     
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  6. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Completely off-topic, I hear Notre Dame ran out of beer before the second period.
     
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  7. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    It was all those crazy Irishmen from Boston and Chicago!
     
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  8. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    And certainly not in one year either. The elevator has to reach ground floor at some point though.
     
  9. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    I didnt say anything about NASCAR telling fans. It’s the fan base eating themselves from within.

    Just take a gander at this thread.
     
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  10. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Do you have a link?
     
  11. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    I do not but I’m sure if you’re interested you could track it down. You’ll probably run across where Dewar said most Nascar fans live in California too.
     
  12. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    As much as I was not a fan of Dewar, I have never been able to track this quote down, and I suspect it's not quite what he actually said.
     
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  13. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    I will track it down and I believe it was by Dustin Long in 2017. I believe Dewar said California has NASCAR’s largest audience
     
  14. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    I didnt ask you about what Dewar said, I asked you where Brian France said fans asked for stages.
     
  15. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    I dont see a problem with waiting to see what kind of racing we get this year.
     
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  16. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    I would much rather have you disbelieve what I said as I don’t feel like taking the time to find the article. It is like when you told me that the 2019 rules were one of the most researched items in recent Nascar history but did not provide any supporting documentation. I didn’t feel like tracking it down so I left it at that.
     
  17. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    What is the point in having an online forum where thoughts, ideas and opinions are tossed around if you can’t speculate on future happenings?

    I think the 2019 rules suck because speed has been arbitrarily reduced. I think it will dumb the racing down. I think it will cause more pack racing, more wrecks and longer races which I think will also suck.

    Will I watch some of the races to see if they change my mind as to the quality of them? You bet I will but until then I am giving my opinion about what I think.
     
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  18. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    No fans involved in what I see. I think the "industry stakeholders" have been the TV and Nascar trying to find a solution to not only covering up much of the racing with commercials and using fake cautions sometimes to do so. They had to completely come up with a different racing format to so that it includes from a competition side awarding points for stage finishes and besides adding a long commercial break it can and has added to the action..sometimes. Screwed up the points system..totally

    “Simply put, this will make our great racing even better,” Brian France, NASCAR chairman and CEO, said.
    “I’m proud of the unprecedented collaboration from our industry stakeholders, each of whom had a common goal — strengthening the sport for our fans.

    Here is Penske's take
    NASCAR’s new stage-based race format is kind of a big deal, with some close to the sport applauding the forward-thinking structure and others decrying the break with decades of tradition.

    “I think the TV guys have really put their foot down that they want more action, because of the money they’re committing to the sport over a long period of time,” Team Penske owner Roger Penske told SiriusXM NASCAR Radio, via USA TODAY

    Read more at: https://nesn.com/2017/02/nascar-rules-changes-came-after-tv-executives-really-put-their-foot-down/
     
  19. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    Basically what Penske is saying is the TV guys are not getting an ROI so they are telling Nascar what to do in order to try and get the ship off the iceberg and re-floated.

    Between Nascar and the TV guys they managed to piss off almost 800k fans (yes eight hundred thousand fans) that watched in 2017 but decided to do something else in 2018.

    Why Lesa and Uncle Jimmy let the bloated little alkie remain at the helm is beyond me.
     
  20. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Glad you figured that out. ;)
     
  21. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I did know enough to know what BZF said and didn't say at least.
     
  22. Ventisca

    Ventisca Crew Chief Contributor

    Yup, there's no good spin on that one...
     
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  23. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    It is very simplistic to say that is the only reason, I would guess there are many factors involved. But it makes for simplistic drama that some crave for. Throw it out there maybe it will stick. on every thread.
     
  24. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    If you don’t believe that that BZF said “it’s what the fans had been asking for” with respect to stage racing I’m ok with it.
     
  25. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    Your thoughts and opinions on why you think Nascar lost almost 800k per race year over year would be welcome. Personally I think losing such a large chunk of your fan base in a single year is a dramatic drop don’t you?
     
  26. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    I think its for several reasons, todays lifestyles have changed, people live on thier phones and other devices that arent tracked properly yet, some fans didnt like the change, younger generation doesnt get in to motorsports like we did coming up, they just dont identify with the automobile. Its simply not one reason and one reason only.
     
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  27. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    I hope the 2019 rules resonate with younger viewers. Even if it ends up that I don’t like them I’m fine with it provided new blood gets interested. The average age of a Nascar fan is 60 so getting younger is essential.
     
  28. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Lets back up a bit. First of all the speeds and the cars of the 90's and early 2000 ( 650 HP) produced some great racing. This idea of faster is better is all in peoples minds. I doubt few can say they have driven anything 170 miles per hour so they need 200 mph. As a matter of fact fans love short track racing and the speeds are much slower out of necessity.
    Wrecks in my opinion are caused by drivers over driving cars not capable of keeping up
    and these drivers are driven by the fear of losing their rides. The only way a 30th place team can get to 20th place is by putting a better product on the track or hire a top 5 driver.
    RFR proved this by bringing MK back and he was no better than Stenhouse.
     
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  29. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    I agree that the average person can’t tell the difference between 190 and 170. The reason I don’t like the lower speeds is because I feel it penalizes the most skilled drivers.

    When you slow a car down it gives the have nots, the less talented and the inexperienced a much better chance of performing better. In many cases it is a lot easier to enter a corner at 170 than 190. Maybe 10 guys on track can enter the corner at 190 but maybe 20 drivers doing 170 can. I don’t like it.
     
  30. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    I disagree with your thinking. You are choosing those who can drive the fastest. That is not usually the best driver. Dale E. did not usually have the fastest car but he was a SMARTER driver with what he had then someone who had the fastest car. Fastest drivers are usually the wreckers because they don't race smart. JJ. outsmarted JG and at the end of the season he won the championship.
     
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  31. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    IDK what the differential in speed will be from 2018 to 2019 but so far I have not been enthused with what I have heard. I will definitely give things a fair chance though.
     
  32. Larsonfan1995

    Larsonfan1995 Team Owner

    The problem for me is the differential between straightaway speed and corner speed. Have them go 170, fine. But I want 130 in the corner, not 155. Make them drive.
     
  33. sdj

    sdj Just a race fan

    Just a reminder, MK had a solid 6th place finish at Homestead. ;)
     
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  34. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    And 7th at Phoenix the week before. I dunno what that says about RFR in 2019 but maybe there's some glimmer of hope.
     
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  35. dpkimmel2001

    dpkimmel2001 Team Owner

    Hey, can someone direct me to the 2019 Folds of Honor QuikTrip 500 - Atlanta - Rate the Race Thread? I wanted to voice my displeasure with the new package raced there before I have a chance to actually see it.

    Seriously though, I hope that we're actually surprised and find that the racing isn't all as bad as we think it will be.
     
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  36. Johali

    Johali Team Owner Contributor

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  37. StandOnIt

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