All-Star race experimentation receives mostly high marks

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by StandOnIt, May 20, 2018.

  1. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    I know you are not crazy about plate racing but I know you liked that dragon fly tandem thing!
     
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  2. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    I wonder what data Nascar compiled before pulling the trigger on the 2019 rules? It is vital that Nascar attracts younger fans so I wonder if they held focus groups or other research that indicated this was the way to go?
     
  3. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Aw, c'mon! That was harmless!
     
  4. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    It wasn't so much that I liked it, as that I disliked the least of all the other compromises NASCAR has made to keep cars inside the fence at the Ultra-Brobdingnagians.
     
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  5. StandOnIt

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    I wonder where the Chevy's were for the test?
     
  6. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    You guys do understand why this was a "test" right? You do understand the reason for "testing" right?
     
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  7. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    They tested approximately six to seven different Goodyear tire configurations and they ran about 10 laps before coming in.

    When I asked about the lines they were running and why no one took advantage of the apron on the front straight at ACS, Suarez said they were running at about 85% and didn’t want to push the cars “too hard.”
     
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  8. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    Maybe Nascar likes what it sees so far in testing?
     
  9. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Getting their talking points down pat while the cars were at the makeup shop.
     
  10. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    I have no idea, if you think they are drawing a final conclusion on the new aero package using a 3 to 4 car tire test I dont know what to tell you.
     
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  11. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Didnt he say they could run WO for about 5 laps but not after that? Sounds like a good test with tires that wear and produce off throttle time which in turn lets drivers search differnt lines and entry and exit speeds.
     
  12. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    They just threw a dart at it. :cool:
     
  13. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner Contributor

    Maybe the Chevy/s have a driver problem as much as a performance problem...
     
  14. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    yeah only two laps in traffic, pretty quick fall off.
     
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  15. Larsonfan1995

    Larsonfan1995 Team Owner

    How about the fact that this is going to add 20-30 minutes to races that are already too long? Slower lap times and probably more cautions. Not exactly what's needed in a world full of short attention spans.
     
  16. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner Contributor

    So, about KyLar running against the wall, then predictably hitting the wall (as Kurt Busch pointed out) — do those Cautions prolong races and chase fans away?

    The chevys have as much a driver problem as a performance problem...
     
  17. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    The people being told “shut up and wait” have consistently been correct since the all star race.

    It appears that soon those being told to “shut up and wait” will eventually “pack up and leave”.
     
  18. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Thanks for the reminder that this was a TIRE test. Ignore everything I've said about it.
     
  19. AdoubleU24

    AdoubleU24 Team Owner

    There's going to be an all you can eat buffet of crow served up one way or another.
     
  20. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    I just meant that in general they were liking what they were seeing so far.
     
  21. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    In the past Nascar had implemented changes that “the fans had been asking for” when in truth the fans hadn’t even thought of any of them. They could be throwing spaghetti against the ceiling on this one just praying something sticks this time.
     
  22. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    You bring up some good points as even if there are the same amount of wrecks the races will last longer due to slower speeds. I doubt Nascar thought of this and they may not even be aware of the need for shorter broadcasts.
     
  23. Revman

    Revman Stop asking me about the package!

    I agree 100% on this. We also asked for the pit lane monitoring system, fewer guys over the wall, lug nut obsession, the almighty OSS, stage racing, a new points system, the Chase, the Championship finale, and a whole bunch of other things that improve "racing'" which is different for everybody it seems. This new package will result in what we have--but slow, which according to some is important to improve the "racin'." I sound like I am one of those who comes on a forum to sh!t talk the sport. I AM NOT. I am a person who loves this sport so much not even NASCAR and all of the silly changes can **** it up. I will go to races and watch until they run this into the ground.....and then I will probably sit in the stands at my favorite track (Fontana), and wait until somebody pulls their head out of their ass, and brings the sport back.
     
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  24. Revman

    Revman Stop asking me about the package!

    This is a freaking good question. Honestly, stunning considering that there is no testing time and this is a new package. WTF?
     
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  25. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    If the “shut up and wait” card was played about every future event we would not have a lot to talk about. We couldn’t talk about JJ and his new CC or Kurt in the 1 car or any number of other things. IMO the card is played to shut off debate.
     
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  26. StandOnIt

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    reason # 1895 for Nascar declining attendance.
     
  27. StandOnIt

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    The article I read said they were invited to the test but nobody showed up. :idunno:
     
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  29. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Example? Link? Proof?
     
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  30. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Correct about what? Nobody in NASCAR has told fans to "shut up and wait".
     
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  31. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    The biggest one we talked about on here was stage racing. Apparently it was what the fans had been asking for even though no one knew what it was.
     
  32. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    At this point, I don't think NASCAR could get spaghetti to stick if they threw it at the floor.
     
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  33. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Nascar is handy for spaghetti or pie throwing or a sounding board for many frustrated people. Nascar should start a Dr. Phil award in conjunction with RF for the bleeding hearts.
     
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  34. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner Contributor

    I'm not saying NASCAR decision makers are the most developed mammals on earth --

    BUT, they did go through a process that included running a similar formula in the All-Star Race.

    So "throwing spaghetti" -- while humorous may not be giving enough credit to a post-Brian France NASCAR that is moving on -- whether forward, backward, sideways, whatever...
     
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  35. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    Have the majority of changes Nascar has made in the past 15 years been well researched, well received and grown the series?
     
  36. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    That doesn't make any sense. About the same as saying has the Gov't in the last 15 years, blah blah blah, or have the decisions anybody has made in the last 15 years and the 20 20 hindsight rig of a marole is pretty laughable also. It's a different world if you haven't noticed. Racing isn't exempt.
     
  37. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    eh, anybody that follows the history of auto racing very closely for a long time knows of the ups and downs that occur. Many series have folded, many have merged. Some of us realize that changes in safety, track and car design the various series do yearly are a common occurrence. But in every series there are fans that think almost every change is the end of the world. I think on the subject of Nascar's Brian France or a really terrible ride buying driver, most of us agree.:D
     
  38. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Who said the fans asked for it?
     
  39. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    I don’t think Nascar realizes they need to boil the spaghetti in order to get some to stick. They toss it straight out of the box!
     
  40. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    It is possible Nascar is moving in the right direction post Brian France. We will certainly have a better idea this time next year.
     
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