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So many candidates.

Jacques Villeneuve for being a wanker.
The idiot fan who threw a shoe on the track.
Bobby Labonte for deciding to race hard in front of the leaders, causing a crash that could have been fatal.
The armchair safety experts telling NASCAR how to improve safety at MIS.
Hendrick Motorsports.
NASCAR media for giving Jimmie Johnson a pass for refusing to talk to the media even though they rip Kurt and Kyle to shreds for the same thing every single week.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
So many candidates.

Jacques Villeneuve for being a wanker.
The idiot fan who threw a tire on the track.
Bobby Labonte for deciding to race hard in front of the leaders, causing a crash that could have been fatal.
The armchair safety experts telling NASCAR how to improve safety at MIS.
Hendrick Motorsports.
NASCAR media for giving Jimmie Johnson a pass for refusing to talk to the media even though they rip Kurt and Kyle to shreds for the same thing every single week.
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Wasn't that a shoe?
 
JV for trying to act like a NASCAR driver.
HMS for thier selection of valve springs.
Sad Brad for his weak right foot in the closing laps.
 
Roger Penske for refusing to play in the gray area. After 25 years, you would think he would have learned what the sport is all about.

Jeff Gluck‏@jeff_gluck
Keselowski on Hendrick "tricks": Roger Penske chooses not to live in the gray area. We're losing performance by not risking that.
 
FenderBumper said:
Roger Penske for refusing to play in the gray area. After 25 years, you would think he would have learned what the sport is all about.

Jeff Gluck‏@jeff_gluck
Keselowski on Hendrick "tricks": Roger Penske chooses not to live in the gray area. We're losing performance by not risking that.
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Keselowski has more excuses than someone in court when he loses a race.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Keselowski has more excuses than someone in court when he loses a race.
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They have races in court? What channel?

The HMS cars are the only ones able to hug the line at Indy, Michigan and other tracks, and that's a clear advantage. Penske knows what they are doing, but he cares more about winning some kind of White Knight trophy than a cup championship. Penske knew about the angled rear bar that was helping guys win races, but refused to do it. NASCAR banned it, but they never fined anyone.

Kurt, Newman, Addington and Brad can't all be wrong. Use your head Andy.
 
FenderBumper said:
They have races in court? What channel?

The HMS cars are the only ones able to hug the line at Indy, Michigan and other tracks, and that's a clear advantage. Penske knows what they are doing, but he cares more about winning some kind of White Knight trophy than a cup championship. Penske knew about the angled rear bar that was helping guys win races, but refused to do it. NASCAR banned it, but they never fined anyone.

Kurt, Newman, Addington and Brad can't all be wrong. Use your head Andy.
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Yeah they can, maybe not about this but hell yeah they can. :D
 
FenderBumper said:
They have races in court? What channel?

The HMS cars are the only ones able to hug the line at Indy, Michigan and other tracks, and that's a clear advantage. Penske knows what they are doing, but he cares more about winning some kind of White Knight trophy than a cup championship. Penske knew about the angled rear bar that was helping guys win races, but refused to do it. NASCAR banned it, but they never fined anyone.

Kurt, Newman, Addington and Brad can't all be wrong. Use your head Andy.
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Didn't Mark Martin lose a championship because of "grey area", especially when they didn't actually violate any rules? NASCAR is so inconsistent with their enforcement of rules, it's not worth it to get caught doing something you know other teams are allowed to get away with.
 
FenderBumper said:
They have races in court? What channel?

The HMS cars are the only ones able to hug the line at Indy, Michigan and other tracks, and that's a clear advantage. Penske knows what they are doing, but he cares more about winning some kind of White Knight trophy than a cup championship. Penske knew about the angled rear bar that was helping guys win races, but refused to do it. NASCAR banned it, but they never fined anyone.

Kurt, Newman, Addington and Brad can't all be wrong. Use your head Andy.
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How many wins has Kurt Busch scored since leaving Penske?
 
Bonehead:
Hell I dont know, Andy for being Andy, FB for being FB, Ditz for being a fox, DP for being at Bristol without us, me for not knowing how to resize pictures, decisions decisions. :cool:
 
Johali said:
Bonehead:
Hell I dont know, Andy for being Andy, FB for being FB, Ditz for being a fox, GP for being at Bristol without us, me for not knowing how to resize pictures, decisions decisions. :cool:
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All very good choices, especially the picture thing. :)
 
FenderBumper said:
No Andy. :rolleyes:

Rule: carburetor can not be over 2 inches.

Marks spacer: 2.5 inches.

How is height that's 25% over the rule a 'gray' area?
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Fender , you must have had your MUTE button on when you wrote that , or else you are on Andy's ignore list .;)
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Bobby Labonte for deciding to race hard in front of the leaders, causing a crash that could have been fatal.
The armchair safety experts telling NASCAR how to improve safety at MIS.
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Well to be honest, I was stunned that they had what amounted to a concrete spear right there in a spot where one could expect trouble.

I have to give the "bonehead" to MIS for dang near getting Mark Martin killed...or at least assisting. How could a track safety officer not see that there was a danger there? All they had to do was make the concrete slope around in a curve to where it was wider and more blunt. Safety in racing is never 100%...but that was obviously a danger.
 
FenderBumper said:
No Andy. :rolleyes:

Rule: carburetor can not be over 2 inches.

Marks spacer: 2.5 inches.

How is height that's 25% over the rule a 'gray' area?
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In 1990, his team incurred a 46-point penalty after a race at Richmond for using an illegal carburetor spacer, even though NASCAR agreed it had not enhanced his performance.

Read more: Martin shows softer side in NASCAR's chase - Washington Times

In all, 39 more wins, five of them this season, followed over the past 21 years. But the big one -- the yearlong title -- hasn't happened yet, although there's some who still wonder what might have been in 1990, the year he might have been a half-inch away from winning it all.
That was the year Martin was docked 46 points for an illegal carburetor spacer in a race at Richmond. NASCAR found the spacer was 2½ inches tall, a half-inch more than allowed, and fined him $40,000 for what was then a record. When announcing the spacer violation and fine, though, NASCAR's competition director acknowledged, "we don't know if it's an advantage or not."

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar/cup/news/story?id=4680540

1990 Pontiac Excitement 400 (February 25, 1990)
In the second race of the 1990 season, Mark Martin wins, but the car was found to have an illegal carburetor spacer. NASCAR found the spacer was 2½ inches tall, a half-inch more than allowed. Martin kept the victory, but was fined $40,000 (at record at the time), and was docked 46 points.[52] At season's end, Martin lost the championship by a mere 26 points to Dale Earnhardt,[52] with the penalty representing the deciding margin. Later, it was admitted that the spacer plate was technically not illegal, and did not enhance the car's performance,[53] but actually fell within a "gray area" of the rulebook. NASCAR competition director Dick Beaty even stated that "We don't know if [a taller spacer] is an advantage or not."[54]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASCAR_lore#cite_note-53


Nice talk, Fender.
 
Actually, I'm kind of surprised that LaBonte isn't being accused of attempted murder like Edwards was with Keselowski ;)
 
Rules is rules Andy. You still haven't answered how going 25% over is a gray area.

Obviously, the gray area is doing things that aren't specifically addressed by the rule. Building a spacer that is 25% over the RULE is black and white dumb.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
In 1990, his team incurred a 46-point penalty after a race at Richmond for using an illegal carburetor spacer, even though NASCAR agreed it had not enhanced his performance.

Read more: Martin shows softer side in NASCAR's chase - Washington Times

In all, 39 more wins, five of them this season, followed over the past 21 years. But the big one -- the yearlong title -- hasn't happened yet, although there's some who still wonder what might have been in 1990, the year he might have been a half-inch away from winning it all.
That was the year Martin was docked 46 points for an illegal carburetor spacer in a race at Richmond. NASCAR found the spacer was 2½ inches tall, a half-inch more than allowed, and fined him $40,000 for what was then a record. When announcing the spacer violation and fine, though, NASCAR's competition director acknowledged, "we don't know if it's an advantage or not."

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar/cup/news/story?id=4680540

1990 Pontiac Excitement 400 (February 25, 1990)
In the second race of the 1990 season, Mark Martin wins, but the car was found to have an illegal carburetor spacer. NASCAR found the spacer was 2½ inches tall, a half-inch more than allowed. Martin kept the victory, but was fined $40,000 (at record at the time), and was docked 46 points.[52] At season's end, Martin lost the championship by a mere 26 points to Dale Earnhardt,[52] with the penalty representing the deciding margin. Later, it was admitted that the spacer plate was technically not illegal, and did not enhance the car's performance,[53] but actually fell within a "gray area" of the rulebook. NASCAR competition director Dick Beaty even stated that "We don't know if [a taller spacer] is an advantage or not."[54]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASCAR_lore#cite_note-53


Nice talk, Fender.
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A taller spacer is not an advantage? Doesn't improve performance? Good thing Dick Beaty isn't competition director anymore, these guys would have a holiday for him.
 
Thegroundpounder99 said:
A taller spacer is not an advantage? Doesn't improve performance? Good thing Dick Beaty isn't competition director anymore, these guys would have a holiday for him.
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Yeah. I know Andy isn't up to a conversation about the advantages of a larger air valley under the carb.
 
FenderBumper said:
Roger Penske for refusing to play in the gray area. After 25 years, you would think he would have learned what the sport is all about.

Jeff Gluck‏@jeff_gluck
Keselowski on Hendrick "tricks": Roger Penske chooses not to live in the gray area. We're losing performance by not risking that.
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Geebers H. Kristmas. One of the oldest 'tricks' is to accuse a competitor that you can't beat on the track of being illegal hoping that tech will take a 'special interest' in the car. There's two chances a trick rear end mounting that allows movement getting thru the Room of Doom is slim to none.
Additionally every race team goes right up to the line and balances on it, occasionally they get caught falling on the wrong side.:rolleyes: If they don't they're called losers.
 
For the uninformed:

http://www.sbnation.com/nascar/2012...012-brad-keselowski-jimmie-johnson/in/3013218

Keselowski's comments focused around the mechanical advantage which the Hendrick cars seem to have discovered. Since June, competitors have been talking about the rear ends of cars like Johnson and Dale Earnhardt Jr., which seem to be moving around.
NASCAR put one rule in place to address the issue, but drivers said at Indianapolis it did nothing to weaken the Hendrick cars' performance. On Sunday, Keselowski shed more light on the situation.
"There's parts and pieces on the car that are moving after inspection that make the car more competitive," he said. "Some guys have it, some don't. There's a question to the interpretation of the rule. Penske Racing errs on the safe side because we don't want to be the guys that get the big penalty."

Kez isn't accusing anyone of cheating, but pointing out how HMS got around the new rules and are still past the limits when the cars are racing. NASCAR obviously doesn't care, because no HMS car went to tech. I think Brad just wants a ruling from NASCAR so Penske can use the feature.
 
"Penske Racing errs on the safe side because we don't want to be the guys that get the big penalty"

Unless it's the 1994 Indianapolis 500.
 
FenderBumper said:
For the uninformed:

http://www.sbnation.com/nascar/2012...012-brad-keselowski-jimmie-johnson/in/3013218

Keselowski's comments focused around the mechanical advantage which the Hendrick cars seem to have discovered. Since June, competitors have been talking about the rear ends of cars like Johnson and Dale Earnhardt Jr., which seem to be moving around.
NASCAR put one rule in place to address the issue, but drivers said at Indianapolis it did nothing to weaken the Hendrick cars' performance. On Sunday, Keselowski shed more light on the situation.
"There's parts and pieces on the car that are moving after inspection that make the car more competitive," he said. "Some guys have it, some don't. There's a question to the interpretation of the rule. Penske Racing errs on the safe side because we don't want to be the guys that get the big penalty."

Kez isn't accusing anyone of cheating, but pointing out how HMS got around the new rules and are still past the limits when the cars are racing. NASCAR obviously doesn't care, because no HMS car went to tech. I think Brad just wants a ruling from NASCAR so Penske can use the feature.
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He has a point but Keselowski is also quickly becoming a media darling and therefore Nascars new "boy" so they latch on to whatevever falls out of his mouth. He's not the first to accuse HMS of something and wont be the last.
 
#17D500winner said:
He has a point but Keselowski is also quickly becoming a media darling and therefore Nascars new "boy" so they latch on to whatevever falls out of his mouth. He's not the first to accuse HMS of something and wont be the last.
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People must think HMS is cheating to keep saying he's accusing them of anything. Everyone has noticed how well the HMS cars hug the line.
 
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