Bonehead Of The Race

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  1. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    I dont think the 48 did it on purpose, but that one was on him.
     
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  2. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Johnson is almost to his door
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    Hasn't touched him yet Menard's wheels are straight although he should be turning for the fence


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    And contact. Menard is already out of control at this point..wheels straight ahead never moved
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  3. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    Agree 100%. As a lifelong supporter of his, I was hoping for a little more remorse over the incident. Kind of like Chase's wreck in practice. I didn't see what he had to say about it, but that was a TERRIBLE move, among the worst I've seen. He couldn't have fit a Yugo into the gap he had.
     
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  4. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    I think Jimmie knew if he went to low he wouldnt get enough drag on the 21 so he tried to run down his door but he got the left rear quarter first. Happens.
     
  5. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Disagree, in your first photo the 21 is in yaw and has already been contacted by the 48. You can tell from the attitude of the 1 behind them who is perfectly straight.
     
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  6. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    without you being able to freeze frame the clip I posted and the crappy angle, I can't really say you see differently, I have been trying to find a better angle, but it looks like Fox's cameras are about all I can find. But the third lowest is when contact was made at least I could see Menard's car actually move from touching. I'll keep looking for better shots.
     
  7. Matthew2470

    Matthew2470 Filthy Casual

    It was just a racing incident in an exhibition race. No amount of investigation or debate is going change that fact.
     
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  8. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Thats cool, like I said. he didnt mean to hit him and he wont be the last one to do it at Daytona.
     
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  9. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    nah but a damn sight better talking about racing on a racing forum than a bunch of empty seats. The race wasn't too noteworthy, slick track and plenty of rain and when the time was coming for moves to be made the rain came again. I would have liked to have seen them be able to line up what was left and go for it, I almost bet that would have been wild, they had some hard racers left to settle it.
     
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  10. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    I agree with your assessment. What amazes me in the whole debate is that someone has the free time to search and search and search for pics that will change no ones mind.
     
  11. LARRY

    LARRY Stages! Stages! We don't need no stinking stages!!

    Bonehead. Jhonson. For someone with so much experience, he should know how to pass without having to wreck 29
    Cars.
     
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  12. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner Contributor

    Jimmie’s car lurched — that wasn’t an aero wiggle, or a car washing up the track, or a counter-steer after oversteer in a corner.

    That lurch was on Jimmie — he banged the 21 with his bumper like a good old-fashioned short-track smack, except at speed it wrecks the car train.

    Own it Jimmie — it’s a better look!

    But this sets a good tone for a potential breakout year if people are drawn to Daytona to see what happens next. IMHO
     
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  13. JBone88

    JBone88 JR Nation's last ride

    Good grief there are still folks arguing this. The 48 wrecked the 21. It’s obvious to anyone who actually has their eyes open. It doesn’t matter if it was intentional or not. Doesn’t matter how many trophies Jimmie has. Nor how few Menard has.

    It was a racing incident. But Jimmie was at fault. It’s okay to admit it. His HOF candidacy is still intact. The sun will still come up tomorrow.
     
  14. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

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    There isn't contact here but look at Menard's angle of front end to the wall

    Here is Menard's angle to the wall right before the above shot. Yeah Johnson came up but Menard if that was supposed to be a block did the wrong thing.
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  15. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    If Jimmie had his usual season last year this may well not have happened. I suspect JJ was sick and tired from driving a turd last year and felt like winning a race with his new CC. He saw the pay driver, hit him and won the race. JJ has been caught up in enough crashes not of his own making that this doesn’t bother me.
     
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  16. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    yep Jimmy wrecked him, but like he says it was unavoidable contact. I agree, he came up Menard should have held his line instead of doing the worst thing which was coming down
     
  17. jws926

    jws926 Nissan Is Love, Nissan Is Life

    My bonehead goes to Jeff .
     
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  18. Fordracing7

    Fordracing7 2018 Pick em Champion

    I agree with this. My interpretation of what you said was wrong I thought you were saying in the beginning the 21 moved down on the 48 not after the fact he had already hit him.
     
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  19. Fordracing7

    Fordracing7 2018 Pick em Champion

    That's really good point nobody is talking about we don't know how much moisture was on the track at that point and how much that affected this whole incident
     
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  20. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    That was why Johnson made the move in the first place they told him it was raining again and that was one of the things he said in one of his interviews..and it was, Johnson wanted to be out front when it did. I know on one camera facing the track rain drops were hitting it on the last restart. No way of proving it was really wet, but when they wrecked it looked like they slid forever before they stopped. :idunno: eh rain, and Nascar races usually turn out like this.
     
  21. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Something that the experts caught on Nascar America was why the top lane was the only one working. Nobody on that panel could figure it out. Was it the recent car changes with the increased width to the rear spoiler was one of the guesses. Like they said they had as many as 8 cars on the bottom and all it took was one of the high line cars coming down on the door of a car in the lower line and it would stall the lower line out. I hope it doesn't happen Thursday in the duals.
     
  22. 1wkdpony

    1wkdpony Jackman

    I saw no movement from Menard until after Johnson hit him.
    Regardless of his intentions, I expect much more from a 7 time champion.
    Great driver? I don’t think so.
    I guess wrecking the car in front of him is the only way he will win a race these days. I’m glad he went winless last year.
     
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  23. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    So in other words, a guy isn't allowed to make a mistake.....
     
  24. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    nonsense, Kyle Busch cleared the wreck by a hundred feet and spun out..wonder how that happened, Kyle Busch spins out while going straight after he cleared the wreck? ya think rain could be a factor in any of this?
     
  25. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    anybody catch that at the 15 second mark?

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  26. SlicedBread22

    SlicedBread22 #TeamJL

    I like at around 0:20 when you hear in his voice that he realized it was his fault as he was trying to explain why it wasn't his fault.. cracks me up every time

    I dont think it was intentional.. but it was his fault
     
  27. Greg

    Greg 2014 RF YAHOO CHAMP Your leader

    Nah it was just the Goodyear tire people hating up on poor Kyle again.
     
  28. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    From the in car camera shot, Jimmie's front end suddenly washed out right before the contact. I don't know if it was the wet track or the air, but I'm guessing Jimmie had zero control over that. Ultimately still his fault, but I think he was just a victim of forces acting on the car.
     
  29. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Well I am thinking if both cars were skating on a wet track at 180 or so, Jimmie went to stuff some air on Menards spoiler and without any grip on either car, the air had a part of something to do with those two coming together. Kyle couldn't hold it when it looked like he cut down a bit and was trying to pass Kurt and he lost all control. Sure looked like a wet track to me.
     
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  30. SlicedBread22

    SlicedBread22 #TeamJL

    Im pretty sure the 21 hit the 18 and that's why he spun
     
  31. dirtfan

    dirtfan Team Owner

    LOL.
     
  32. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Pretty good look here.


     
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  33. SlicedBread22

    SlicedBread22 #TeamJL

    That's that moment lol
     
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  34. Elliott_Fan_9

    Elliott_Fan_9 Formerly JJ_14

    I literally almost died laughing.
     
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  35. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Yep everybody knows Johnson hit him. On the other hand what I was trying to show, and I thought it was interesting is that the track was wet, slick, and their wasn't any grip AND the wet track was a large factor in turning Menard, and sucking Johnson into him. Neither had very much control of their cars at 180 +
     
  36. Elliott_Fan_9

    Elliott_Fan_9 Formerly JJ_14

    I don't think Menard sucked Johnson into him. How? Menard didn't move at all either. It was Jimmie's fault, are people really arguing over the fact that Jimmie caused that wreck?

    The question should be: was it blatant? The easy answer is no but the move seemed very suspicious.
     
  37. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Those are two separate actions. Menard, was turned...Johnson was sucked into him..Maybe turning it around will help..Johnson was sucked into Menard, turning Menard. Now here is the other part...the track was very wet..ya know how it is driving on ice? try it at 180+
     
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  38. Elliott_Fan_9

    Elliott_Fan_9 Formerly JJ_14

    Johnson was sucked into him because he hit Menard in the first place? :idunno:

    What does the track condition have anything to do with that wreck? It was in the backstretch, & it was very little rain at that time.
     
  39. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    and how do you know it wasn't wet? the indicator I saw was Kyle bush spinning when he tried a gentle turn down to pass his brother..maybe you saw sunlight, or thought it didn't rain the whole race or they called it after everybody wrecked for too much sunshine . whatever man, opinions vary and you asked. :D
     
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  40. Elliott_Fan_9

    Elliott_Fan_9 Formerly JJ_14

    Kyle was turned by Menard lol.
     

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