Bonehead Of The Race

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  1. JBone88

    JBone88 JR Nation's last ride

    My only issue with it is it’s only a “racing move” when a select few guys do it. The double standards for who gets to run people over and who doesn’t never cease to amaze.
     
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  2. Snappy D

    Snappy D 2017 Pick Em Champion 2018 Bold Predictor

    JJ side drafted Menard, it didn’t work out and it ended up as the 48 taking out the 21. He didn’t drive through the guy like Dillon/Almirola last year.
     
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  3. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Don't see why it should. It has been happening since the first race was run. I don't think there has ever been much discussion when a couple of backmarkers tangle, except "get them off the track", or they shouldn't be in the race in the first place or cries for the earth mother Nascar to do something about it sniff sniff.
     
  4. Bobw

    Bobw Team Owner

    Looks like Johnson caused it, intentionally or unintentionally makes no difference now. But his mealy mouth explanation was sickening, suck it up buttercup, you screwed up.

    Gordon making excuses was just as bad.
    btw The 21 was sideways when the 48 passed him and the 48 went below the double yellow...where's nascar to enforce their rule???
     
  5. Snappy D

    Snappy D 2017 Pick Em Champion 2018 Bold Predictor

    I’m sorry you’re championing for Paul Menard. If you’re that upset over a guy who has one career win, and in the grand scheme of things is highly irrelevant on most race days then I really don’t know what to tell you. JJ is a pretty clean racer, more aggressive the last year or so sure because he hasn’t won. But that guy is one of the cleanest racers I’ve ever watched, of course he makes mistakes. They all do. Some more than others. Sucks for Paul it really does, but it’s an exhibition race that next week no one will even care about. The Clash isn’t a career defining race, the uproar over this entire JJ deal, I feel his detractors are just using to make a bigger issue of it than what it is.
     
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  6. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I almost posted it before the race. But my first thoughts were when I saw Menard at the front. He will be in the wall before the day is out. He's a nice guy, but he isn't winning a restrictor plate race. That move never would have happened if Logano, or Kez, or Kyle, etc. you get my drift, were up front.
     
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  7. Snappy D

    Snappy D 2017 Pick Em Champion 2018 Bold Predictor

    Sorry as wrong as it is I am guilty as charged as yelling for back markers to get off the damn track when they seem to wreck each other with 5 to go and change an entire race.
     
  8. JBone88

    JBone88 JR Nation's last ride

    I’m not championing for anyone, I don’t give a sh!t about Paul Menard. The fact that he has one career win doesn’t justify him getting dumped for the win.

    I’m just pointing out how everyone gets outraged when Dillon or Stenhouse cause a wreck, but Jimmie Johnson is immune from criticism because he’s a 7 time champ. A dump is a dump. Intentional or not.

    And let’s not act like this is the first time JJ has done something like this on the plate tracks.
     
  9. Snappy D

    Snappy D 2017 Pick Em Champion 2018 Bold Predictor

    People here can’t seem to grasp that. He isn’t winning anywhere else either. Shame for the fella though
     
  10. Snappy D

    Snappy D 2017 Pick Em Champion 2018 Bold Predictor

    You didn’t ask me though if I thought it was a bad move. It was. It was a bit desperate, he messed up and here we are. Stenhouse last July was on a kamikaze mission. He wrecked anything that moved. Dillon I had zero problem with it’s the last lap of the biggest race of the year. All bets are off.
     
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  11. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Eh they should use Menard as an example of what not to do when there is only one line and you see the car behind you getting a run. Hell if it was Jr, he would have run Johnson down to the grass to stay in front.
     
  12. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    How would you know?
     
  13. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    The 21 was shoving the 48 down the track. Jimmie had very little control of where his car was going at that point.
     
  14. JBone88

    JBone88 JR Nation's last ride

    Fair enough. Low and behold I agree with you on all accounts.

    In all honesty I don’t have an issue with what Jimmie did. It’s more the circling the wagons apology circuit by the FOX commentators yesterday and the 48 fans that annoyed me. If Gordon didn’t try to justify the move on national TV, and Jimmie wouldve just owned it afterwards, we wouldn’t be discussing it today.

    It is what it is. Looking forward to the Duels.
     
  15. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    Well, there is the difference between a dirty move, a stupid move, and a simple mistake. What Dillon did to Almirola might be classified as dirty by many as dirty. Stenhouse has been accused MANY times of making stupid moves. Johnson made a great move, but for whatever reason, either he misjudged or the air sucked the two cars together. Regardless, he should own it, but it's not exactly the same as the other two.
     
  16. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    not sucking it up, not owning it and taking no prisoners is a good side to see that black hat Johnson is taking for some of us.
     
  17. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

     
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  18. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner

    Jimmie balled up the field in a meaningless race. He sharply veered his car into Menard. Cars side drafted without crashing — this was Desperate Jimmie and he used his available bumper and energy to wreck (not move) Menard.

    The new Desperate Jimmie is EXACTLY what NASCAR needs. It’s a good look and sets the tone for the entire season that separates NASCAR from other top race series. But Jimmie at the press conference trying to sell himself as a clean racer was just horrible.

    Own It Jimmie!
     
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  19. SlicedBread22

    SlicedBread22 #TeamJL

    From now on I think that sort of move should be referred to as the sui-side draft :D

    Too much?
     
  20. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner

    Jeff Gordon gets Bonehead Honorable Mention as HMS Minister of Propaganda.
     
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  21. SlicedBread22

    SlicedBread22 #TeamJL

    You really think he meant to wreck him?
     
  22. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner

    I must’ve watched that move a hundred times.

    When I first saw Jimmie I was hoping he could do well just to keep that smug look off Chad’s face. But that move was about as deliberate as you’re going to find a dump in NASCAR.

    Jimmie’s bumper lurched into Menard — not an aero wiggle. Then the field went pear shaped.

    This was much more aggressive than the Logano rub — and it was just as aggressive as the Austin bump-n-wreck last year.

    Jimmie raced dirty — and I’m OK with that. But PLEASE don’t insult the audience. Be honest like Dillon and get ready for retribution, because that will be the focus of a season built on keeping cars close, so contact is inevitable.
     
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  23. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Why would I care what someone else thinks? You didnt watch it yet you are calling people boneheads who did. Do you let someone tell you what movie you watch, what food you should eat, what clothes you wear, what car you buy? You get the picture..........
     
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  24. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner

    There are two truths:

    The Clash was crap.

    Jimmie wrecked Menard on purpose, and it worked.

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    Everyone squinting their eyes looking for any hint of a Menard move were wasting their time — when “aggressive” Jimmie’s bumper lurched into Menard’s car for all the world to see.
     
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  25. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    When the sun is out this Sunday and we can run consecutive laps without a rain delay, we will see a different race. So yeah , the Clash never got in to a rhythm for me either and Jimmie Johnson absolutely was at fault on the deal with the 21
     
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  26. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    and Menard will be a mid packer where he belongs and not up trying to hunt with the big dogs.;) I swear some of them will be calling for Johnson to use his blinker next time.
     
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  27. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    Several people whose opinions I respect said the race was awful. Based upon that I felt comfortable issuing the bonehead award. You may disagree with that method and I am fine with it.
     
  28. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Perfect! At least you admit you let other people form your opinion lol
     
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  29. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Oh Im sure Johnson probably wont see much of the 21 after Daytona, but he got his pound of flesh yesterday! ;)
     
  30. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    yep the dual race will probably settle that deal. Happens a lot at plate races, the teams make a really fast car..after all Menard's was a Penske, but the driver has more car than they can handle in a place they normally aren't in. One of the funniest was when Danica won the Daytona pole. At least she got out of the way. Menard was stuck to the wall and over his head
     
  31. Fordracing7

    Fordracing7 2018 Pick em Champion

    Hahaha whatever he was.....this is a dead horse the 48 hit the 21 simple as that the 21 did not move and if he did it was way less then the 48 did!
     
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  32. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Another comment that Jimmie made, they told him it was raining, so he said that could have made it the last lap of the race...and it did. I noticed with the sliding cars Kyle B in particular I think he was in the wet.
     
  33. SlicedBread22

    SlicedBread22 #TeamJL

    Im pretty sure the 21 hit the 18
     
  34. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    eh I have watched this a few times watching Menards fender in relation to the wall, I believe he came down a bit and that exaggerated the whole thing. I think the track was a mess also, I think moist would be the word about the track at least. It looks like Menard froze at the wheel after contact was made also, he didn't try to steer away.

     
  35. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    freeze frame right before contact
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  36. Joe Pisciotta

    Joe Pisciotta Jackman

    Bone Head of the Race was Johnson's post race interview where he blamed the 21 for the wreck.

    No, you just say it's a racing deal....never blame the leader after you wreck him.
     
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  37. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    The 21 was shoving the 48 down the track because he was out of control after being hit by the 48! Come on people, most of this is not very difficult. Honestly, I was SURE that the 48 would crash after going down below the line. I can't believe that car didn't go around.
     
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  38. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    Are you still drinking heavily?
     
  39. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    Nobody but Johnson knows, but I think you're crazy if you think Jimmie wrecked him on purpose. I defy you to find another situation going all the way back to ASA in 1998 that Jimmie Johnson wrecked somebody on purpose. Wrecked some people? Yes. On purpose? Show me where. I don't think a 7 time champion with a two decade ultra clean record is suddenly going to decide to wreck somebody to win a meaningless exhibition event.
     
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  40. kyle18fan

    kyle18fan Proud member of Rowdy Nation Contributor



    It was an awful display, not nearly as good as some of the past shows. Throw in the weather and the ending and it was even more awful.
     
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