Bonehead of the week: Nashville

That crappy car allowed Ryan Blaney to walk away from that crash when Kyle Busch didn't...Do something about this NASCAR!!!
 
Old 97 said:
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How in the h3ll does any exposed concrete wall not have a safer barrier or tire stacks?????
IT'S 2023!!!!!! FFS
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My thoughts EXACTLY. I want to meet the jackasses that think they can predict where cars will an will not hit a wall at speed. They could put a wall in the men's room in the garage area, and a race car will FIND a way to hit it.
 
Old 97 said:
NASCAR
How in the h3ll does any exposed concrete wall not have a safer barrier or tire stacks?????
IT'S 2023!!!!!! FFS
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Daytripper said:
Not having safer barriers around the entire track is my bonehead.
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Formerjackman said:
My thoughts EXACTLY. I want to meet the jackasses that think they can predict where cars will an will not hit a wall at speed. They could put a wall in the men's room in the garage area, and a race car will FIND a way to hit it.
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Agreed 100% The fact that the SAFER barrier has been around since 2002 and they still haven't put it on all the walls at the tracks they go to is really inexcusable. At least NASCAR gave the NextGen car crumple zones in the front and rear. Could you imagine that hit with the 2022 car?
 
Old 97 said:
And I remember Larry McReynolds going on an anger fueled rant berating NASCAR over their lack of safety barriers then.
That was over 8 years ago.
What happened Sunday night is unacceptable. Period.
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I don't think there is a Nascar fan that doesn't think there should be some form of protection on the wall. Know what I mean Vern? As it is, fans losing their lids over a crash in which nobody was injured and we all know that area will definately will be fixed with sand barrels or tires, something will be put in place. They say they can't use safer barrier under 100 feet. The car and driver devices saved that from being something worse than it was.
 
StandOnIt said:
I don't think there is a Nascar fan that doesn't think there should be some form of protection on the wall. Know what I mean Vern? As it is, fans losing their lids over a crash in which nobody was injured and we all know that area will definately will be fixed with sand barrels or tires, something will be put in place. They say they can't use safer barrier under 100 feet. The car and driver devices saved that from being something worse than it was.
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I agree. I find a lot of the hysteria around the Gen 7 being “unsafe” to be a bit tiring. It’s mostly people who focus on the concussion thing while ignoring that guys just raced with their bells rung in prior generations.
 
The Nature Boy said:
I agree. I find a lot of the hysteria around the Gen 7 being “unsafe” to be a bit tiring. It’s mostly people who focus on the concussion thing while ignoring that guys just raced with their bells rung in prior generations.
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Yeah this was never a thing until Dale Jr being out half the season woke everybody up
 
The Nature Boy said:
I agree. I find a lot of the hysteria around the Gen 7 being “unsafe” to be a bit tiring. It’s mostly people who focus on the concussion thing while ignoring that guys just raced with their bells rung in prior generations.
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Yea, those prior drivers also had concussions, but it wasn't taken as seriously as it is today. Concussions and CTE is very serious business. You have examples of the worse of it from other sports and professions. You have Muhammad Ali with his brain damage after a lifetime of boxing. You have Chris Benoit who suffered from CTE and murdered his entire family before committing suicide. You have football players with altered personalities after taking too many shots to the head and being told to just "walk it off."

I appreciate that the fans are more concern about driver's safety, especially after what happened to Kurt Busch last season where a rear end collision with the wall effectively ended his driving career. I appreciate NASCAR doing what they can to make the NextGen car safer for drivers by putting the crumple zones back in. Yes, auto racing will always have some inherent risks, some more than others. However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to be as safe as possible while doing as little as we can to affect the on track product.
 
The Nature Boy said:
I agree. I find a lot of the hysteria around the Gen 7 being “unsafe” to be a bit tiring. It’s mostly people who focus on the concussion thing while ignoring that guys just raced with their bells rung in prior generations.
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The problem lies with the fact that the Gen 7 car SHOULD have been a step forward, some would say a major step forward in driver safety, and it turned out to actually be WORSE. That's not an opinion, that's FACT backed up by the crash data, and that is simply unacceptable.
 
Formerjackman said:
The problem lies with the fact that the Gen 7 car SHOULD have been a step forward, some would say a major step forward in driver safety, and it turned out to actually be WORSE. That's not an opinion, that's FACT backed up by the crash data, and that is simply unacceptable.
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Huh? Where so you come up with that?
 
StandOnIt said:
I don't think there is a Nascar fan that doesn't think there should be some form of protection on the wall. Know what I mean Vern? As it is, fans losing their lids over a crash in which nobody was injured and we all know that area will definately will be fixed with sand barrels or tires, something will be put in place. They say they can't use safer barrier under 100 feet. The car and driver devices saved that from being something worse than it was.
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That is why I choose it for Bonehead of the Week.
For some unknown reason you choose to comment on the strength of the car in response.
No need for further explanation.
 
Blaze said:
Did you miss the part where he said its the hardest hit he’s ever had?
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He drove headlong into an unprotected concrete barrier at speed. Then he went home.

It would appear that the revisions to the design of the front and rear clips and their aluminum attenuators are effective.
 
Old 97 said:
And I remember Larry McReynolds going on an anger fueled rant berating NASCAR over their lack of safety barriers then.
That was over 8 years ago.
What happened Sunday night is unacceptable. Period.
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"We never thought a car would hit there!" Then why put a wall at all, if there's no danger?
 
aunty dive said:
He drove headlong into an unprotected concrete barrier at speed. Then he went home.

It would appear that the revisions to the design of the front and rear clips and their aluminum attenuators are effective.
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They said they weren't using the new clips yet on DBC this week. They debut at Atlanta.
 
StandOnIt said:
I guess you missed Blaney's collision with the wall that he walked away from. It's called evolution.
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That makes an an assumption that he WOULDN'T have walked away from the old car. The cars were not even close fully up to full speed, having only covered 1100 feet (I checked) from the start finish line, and yet Ryan called it the hardest hit of his career. What might have happened if that same wreck happens a full lap later? Why is it so hard to just admit that NASCAR screwed the pooch on the safety aspect of the new car? With all the modern day simulation and testing resources available in the second decade of the 21st century, what excuse is there for ANY part of the car to have crash performance less than the predecessor car? The NTSB ROUTINELY crash tests different models of automobiles in NUMEROUS different scenarios and ranks them best to worst. This isn't any mystery, nor is it particularly difficult. Evolution is taking everything learned from 50 years of the previous design and assuring that the STARTING POINT for the new version is better than the best ever achieved by the previous design, usually by a significant margin. If you are going around chopping bars out of a brand new design, you clearly didn't do your homework. This isn't 1950's Indycars being chalked out and welded together on garage floors.
 
Formerjackman said:
That makes an an assumption that he WOULDN'T have walked away from the old car. The cars were not even close fully up to full speed, having only covered 1100 feet (I checked) from the start finish line, and yet Ryan called it the hardest hit of his career. What might have happened if that same wreck happens a full lap later? Why is it so hard to just admit that NASCAR screwed the pooch on the safety aspect of the new car? With all the modern day simulation and testing resources available in the second decade of the 21st century, what excuse is there for ANY part of the car to have crash performance less than the predecessor car? The NTSB ROUTINELY crash tests different models of automobiles in NUMEROUS different scenarios and ranks them best to worst. This isn't any mystery, nor is it particularly difficult. Evolution is taking everything learned from 50 years of the previous design and assuring that the STARTING POINT for the new version is better than the best ever achieved by the previous design, usually by a significant margin. If you are going around chopping bars out of a brand new design, you clearly didn't do your homework. This isn't 1950's Indycars being chalked out and welded together on garage floors.
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There wasn't any assumption. Blaney walked away from the crash, we all saw it. So did Larson and Preece. The car will evolve from both of those crashes and previous crashes. Nascar will continue to take the cars back to R&D and annualize what changes if any are needed. That's the procedure. Not one of any versions of the car over the years is the same car when it was phased out as the first version. They continue to evolve and so does the racing. Change is constant.
 
StandOnIt said:
There wasn't any assumption. Blaney walked away from the crash, we all saw it. So did Larson and Preece. The car will evolve from both of those crashes and previous crashes. Nascar will continue to take the cars back to R&D and annualize what changes if any are needed. That's the procedure. Not one of any versions of the car over the years is the same car when it was phased out as the first version. They continue to evolve and so does the racing. Change is constant.
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As it SHOULD be, but the STARTING point for the new car should have been somewhat beyond the ENDING point of the old car, and there is little evidence that is the case. That doesn't mean you don't do everything possible to continue to improve it, but withe modern technology, there is simply no reason or excuse not to make a leap FORWARD with a 100% clean sheet design. What would the auto world say if Chevy brings out the C9 Corvette, and it is 30 MPH slower, 20% worse on the skid pad, takes 30 more feet to stop, and gets 5 less MPG? Granted, we are talking safety numbers, not performance numbers, but I think you get the point.
 
Formerjackman said:
As it SHOULD be, but the STARTING point for the new car should have been somewhat beyond the ENDING point of the old car, and there is little evidence that is the case. That doesn't mean you don't do everything possible to continue to improve it, but withe modern technology, there is simply no reason or excuse not to make a leap FORWARD with a 100% clean sheet design. What would the auto world say if Chevy brings out the C9 Corvette, and it is 30 MPH slower, 20% worse on the skid pad, takes 30 more feet to stop, and gets 5 less MPG? Granted, we are talking safety numbers, not performance numbers, but I think you get the point.
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nonsense. You obviously have forgotten the smog motors of the mid 70's. A Z28 struggled to have over 200 HP.
 
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