Bonehead of the Week: Pocono

AndyMarquisLive said:
Last year's pit road at Pocono featured nine timing zones throughout the length of pit road. This year, an additional section was added, and the now infamous "section 10" -- the 70 feet between the final pit stall and a thick, yellow line painted on the track -- was the common infraction location.

The pit road exit is marked. Regardless of maps, loops or whatever, there is no rule saying, "it's legal to speed between scoring loops". It's just a gray area since it hasn't been enforced and the teams think it's a rule. They broke the rules, they were caught. This isn't rocket science.
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This must be the Keselowski rule. Wasn't that how he got such good position off pit road last year??
 
MoMike said:
This must be the Keselowski rule. Wasn't that how he got such good position off pit road last year??
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No. This wasn't a case of speeding out of your box until you hit the first loop, which Matt, Kez, Gordon and Newman? did at Bristol last year. Brad was just best at it.
 
MoMike said:
This must be the Keselowski rule. Wasn't that how he got such good position off pit road last year??
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Jimmie Johnson was caught doing the same thing years ago, passed like 10 cars on pit road once. Kyle Busch does it as well.

But if you ask Fender, I bet it's another rule enforced to prevent Keselowski from winning. :p
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Jimmie Johnson was caught doing the same thing years ago, passed like 10 cars on pit road once. Kyle Busch does it as well.

But if you ask Fender, I bet it's another rule enforced to prevent Keselowski from winning. :p
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No, they repave or close tracks to keep Kez from winning. ;)
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I agree. But this is the system they have and, as it stands, the drivers and teams think they have the right to know where the loops are. Because of TNT's outrage, they were told where the loops are.
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It has nothing to do with TNT's outrage. The teams are given a diagram of pit road each end every week during the season. The diagram clearly displays where the timing lines are. There's nothing new happening here.
 
Transponders 101.....

The transponder system is the key to determining every car's position on the track at the exact moment a caution is thrown. Each car carries a radio transponder that gives off a short range radio transmission of a seven-digit code number. By NASCAR rules, the transponders are mounted on the fuel cell. At varying points around a track, wire loops are embedded about a foot (0.3 meters) below the track surface. These loops receive the transmission from the transponder. NASCAR can also deploy free-standing transponders around a track if they want higher resolution. The loop immediately sends this information, via a wireless network -- with redundant fiber optic connections, just in case -- to a computer system that logs each car as it passes each loop and at what specific time. This system can be used to track where cars are in relation to each other on the track and it can also record lap speeds. The information is even sent to laptop computers used by the pit crews, so they can see scoring and timing data in real time.
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The three cameras used almost universally in modern NASACR races are located on the rear bumper, the roof and in the ****pit of the cars.
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NASCAR mandates the transponder be mounted 14.2 feet behind the leading edge of the car. That means the timing lines, and pit exit lines, need to be 14.2 feet AFTER it's associated timing loop, or wire. JJ's theory, and I agree, was that the pit exit painted line was too close to the timing wire, making drivers think they were off pit road before they were out of the last loop. They speed up after the line, so that's how there were 22 speeding violations, mostly in the pit exit segment.

Ahhh, da camera!
 
I posted this in the poll thread too...


According to Bob Dillner who who was interviewed by the high heeled Krista Voda on speedcenter.....


NASCAR said a map was available with all of the scoring lines provided prior to the event. It was also common knowledge that the lines had been changed.


About 50% of the teams did review the maps prior. No one from the 48 team chose to review these prior to the event.


I do trust the competence of the 48 team, and many others who were penalized. To many mistakes to believe they all screwed up. But the words of the NASCAR officials as reported from Dillner to the high heeled Voda differ.



I just know I liked them heels....
 
From: http://www.jayski.com/cupnews.htm
NASCAR confident in pit road timing system: When it came to pit road, all Sunday's Pocono 400 presented by #NASCAR lacked was a fleet of cop cars with flashing lights and sirens. All told, NASCAR handed out 22 pit road speeding penalties, with most offenders clocked too fast at the exit from pit road. That easily eclipsed the Sprint Cup Series record of 14 speeding penalties at Kansas in 2006. #48-Jimmie Johnson was convinced there was something wrong with the final segment (or timing loop) on pit road. Nothing wrong, says NASCAR, just different. NASCAR measures pit road speed from the yellow line at the entrance to pit road to the yellow line at the exit. The full distance is divided into segments, and drivers must average the speed limit (plus a tolerance of 4.99 mph) through each segment.
The 2.5-mile race track was repaved this year, and pit road was lengthened. The number of segments grew from 10 to 11, and the length of the final segment increased from 56 to 83 feet. NASCAR provides specific information on the pit road configuration to any team that wants it. The changes from one year to the next, however, seems to have confounded more than one driver/crew chief combination, but NASCAR stood by the accuracy of its measurements.
"Our position is like it's always been -- yellow line to yellow line," said Robin Pemberton, NASCAR's vice president of competition. "This track's gone under a lot of reconfiguration since last year. It's all brand-new pit road, all brand-new loops. Positions have been changed since last year. Sections are smaller than they were last year throughout pit road -- and actually, the last section's a little bit bigger. But the bottom line is, every week when we go into a race track, there's maps that are printed back here for the crew chiefs to come get. Some choose to get 'em, some choose to measure their own lines, and some go off of last year's measurements."(NASCAR Wire Service)(6-11-2012)
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
It has nothing to do with TNT's outrage. The teams are given a diagram of pit road each end every week during the season. The diagram clearly displays where the timing lines are. There's nothing new happening here.
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Then why was there a 50 lap discussion about it on TNT? Granted, once they finally got NASCAR's side (took them 50 laps to do so), Kyle and Wally backed down real quick.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Then why was there a 50 lap discussion about it on TNT? Granted, once they finally got NASCAR's side (took them 50 laps to do so), Kyle and Wally backed down real quick.
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You said because of TNT, teams were told where the scoring loops were. That's simply not the case. Each week that info is made available to all teams. TNT has nothing to do with that. This week was no exception. It was available Friday as usual. Some chose not to grab the sheet.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
You said because of TNT, teams were told where the scoring loops were. That's simply not the case. Each week that info is made available to all teams. TNT has nothing to do with that. This week was no exception. It was available Friday as usual. Some chose not to grab the sheet.
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But the TNT telecast was leading viewers, without checking with NASCAR, to believe that teams were not told where the scoring loops are (which, aside from entrance and exit, they shouldn't have to be told). Reporters were screaming on Twitter the entire time that what TNT was reporting just wasn't accurate. Once they got NASCAR's side, they finally backed down. But they faulted NASCAR for some 50 laps for a "problem" NASCAR didn't have.
 
Another load of NASCAR BS to cover up their incompetency or highlite their ignorance of the problem. A yellow line is a yellow line. Since it was the pit out line, the number of segments doesn't mean squat to the driver. NASCAR wants to make it sound like drivers sped up after segment 10 and ignored the pit out yellow line, but that isn't what happened. Their body rules and procedures left a whole you could drive a truck through, and Middlebrook went for it. But nascar publicly defended their procedures by saying 'hey, he kept the fine in place, so we were right'. :rolleyes:

A year or 2 ago something like this happened (at Martinsville?) and it turned out there was an extra yellow line on pit exit and drivers were speeding up at the wrong one. I don't understand why some tracks have 2 yellow lines right next to each other at pit exit.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
But the TNT telecast was leading viewers, without checking with NASCAR, to believe that teams were not told where the scoring loops are (which, aside from entrance and exit, they shouldn't have to be told). Reporters were screaming on Twitter the entire time that what TNT was reporting just wasn't accurate. Once they got NASCAR's side, they finally backed down. But they faulted NASCAR for some 50 laps for a "problem" NASCAR didn't have.
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Gotcha now. I thought you were saying that NASCAR never gave them the info until TNT forced their hand. I didn't watch the broadcast but I knew that TNT has nothing to do with that information being released. Poor job by the TNT crew from the sounds of it.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
But the TNT telecast was leading viewers, without checking with NASCAR, to believe that teams were not told where the scoring loops are (which, aside from entrance and exit, they shouldn't have to be told).
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Do you think nascar should announce any changes to pit road timing loops? They didn't, or all those teams some how missed the announcement.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Gotcha now. I thought you were saying that NASCAR never gave them the info until TNT forced their hand. I didn't watch the broadcast but I knew that TNT has nothing to do with that information being released. Poor job by the TNT crew from the sounds of it.
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Well, like I said, the second they got NASCAR's side and got the sheet, they backed right down.
 
FenderBumper said:
Do you think nascar should announce any changes to pit road timing loops? They didn't, or all those teams some how missed the announcement.
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I feel like I'm beating a dead horse now but, teams should only know entrance and exit scoring loops. But that's not even the issue here. If the drivers didn't try to push the limit and speed between scoring loops, none of this happens. End of story.
 
[quote="FenderBumper, post: 520703, member: 5680"
A year or 2 ago something like this happened (at Martinsville?) and it turned out there was an extra yellow line on pit exit and drivers were speeding up at the wrong one. [/quote]


I think you almost had it there Fender.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I feel like I'm beating a dead horse now but, teams should only know entrance and exit scoring loops. But that's not even the issue here. If the drivers didn't try to push the limit and speed between scoring loops, none of this happens. End of story.
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lol Andy. How many guy sped BETWEEN scoring loops? How many guys say they were nabbed AFTER exiting pit road?

This really isn't that hard to understand folks. Just try a little harder. It has nothing to do with what Gordon, Kez, JJ and Matt did at Bristol last year.
 
FenderBumper said:
lol Andy. How many guy sped BETWEEN scoring loops? How many guys say they were nabbed AFTER exiting pit road?

This really isn't that hard to understand folks. Just try a little harder. It has nothing to do with what Gordon, Kez, JJ and Matt did at Bristol last year.
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I don't care what the drivers say... I really don't. I've never met a driver who broke a rule, caused an accident or did anything wrong.
 
FenderBumper said:
lol Andy. How many guy sped BETWEEN scoring loops? How many guys say they were nabbed AFTER exiting pit road?

This really isn't that hard to understand folks. Just try a little harder. It has nothing to do with what Gordon, Kez, JJ and Matt did at Bristol last year.
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My head hurts from all the common sense expressed in this response.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I don't care what the drivers say... I really don't. I've never met a driver who broke a rule, caused an accident or did anything wrong.
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Except maybe Mark Martin.

FenderBumper said:
How many guy sped BETWEEN scoring loops?
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See my suggestion in the "Should Drivers Know" thread.

My BOTW award goes to every crew chief who failed to look at the new map that NA$$CAR provided, which allowed their drivers to be caught for speeding in the final segment. Special mention to Chadski - since his driver was busted Twice Times!!
 
FenderBumper said:
lol Andy. How many guy sped BETWEEN scoring loops? How many guys say they were nabbed AFTER exiting pit road?

This really isn't that hard to understand folks. Just try a little harder. It has nothing to do with what Gordon, Kez, JJ and Matt did at Bristol last year.
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If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas.

Speeding is speeding, end of story. And I didn't see the Bristol race last fall because of the hurricane.,
 
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