Brad Vs Kyle

dpkimmel2001 said:
ChexOrWrex said:
Cuz back then people enjoyed the rubbin is racin era. Now they just cry anytime someone races too hard. Dale had as many haters as he had fans. After his death no one is gunna come out & say "I hated the man". Respect the dead ya know? And you'd think Dale E fans would enjoy KyBu racing right? Well any hope of that ended when he spun Jr a few years ago & Earnhardt nation exploded with KyBu hate. I like the kid, just like his brother, for their passion for racing.
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At least not until you posted that challenge. ;)
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Challenge accepted.

As I said in another thread, I couldn't stand Dale Sr. Dare I say I hated him? I dunno, hate is a strong word, but I know I remember literally breaking down and crying when I watched him pass my hero Mark Martin during the last couple of laps and win at Sears Point in 1995. (I was only nine years old at the time. LOL.) I obviously didn't know much about racing back then, just that he drove a Chevy and I hated them and liked Fords because my dad did. I also knew he wrecked people all the time, and since my dad didn't like that, neither did I. With those two strikes against him, his fate was sealed as far as I was concerned.

As far as the Kyle/Sr. comparison goes, you could make a case for them being similar on the track, because they are/were both aggressive drivers, but for me that's where the comparison ends. Sr. flat out wrecked people intentionally all the time, just to gain that next spot. On the other hand, when I watch Kyle, I feel like he generally tries to keep it clean for the most part. When he does wreck people intentionally, it's usually in retaliation for perceived injustice, like when he almost killed Ron Hornaday in the Trucks, and obviously he's had some run-ins with his buddy Brad, which is what this very thread is about. Other than that, the mishaps he gets into tend to be the result of him just pushing too hard behind the wheel and screwing up, as he has done with Kasey Kahne a few times this season.

Personality-wise, there is no comparison whatsoever. No need to even get into that.

To be honest, I don't think there is anyone in NASCAR today that is exactly like Dale Sr. I will concede that I see traces of him in other drivers sometimes, but overall I feel like he was just one of a kind.
 
Mr. Gregory said:
Challenge accepted.

As I said in another thread, I couldn't stand Dale Sr. Dare I say I hated him? I dunno, hate is a strong word, but I know I remember literally breaking down and crying when I watched him pass my hero Mark Martin during the last couple of laps and win at Sears Point in 1995. (I was only nine years old at the time. LOL.) I obviously didn't know much about racing back then, just that he drove a Chevy and I hated them and liked Fords because my dad did. I also knew he wrecked people all the time, and since my dad didn't like that, neither did I. With those two strikes against him, his fate was sealed as far as I was concerned.

As far as the Kyle/Sr. comparison goes, you could make a case for them being similar on the track, because they are/were both aggressive drivers, but for me that's where the comparison ends. Sr. flat out wrecked people intentionally all the time, just to gain that next spot. On the other hand, when I watch Kyle, I feel like he generally tries to keep it clean for the most part. When he does wreck people intentionally, it's usually in retaliation for perceived injustice, like when he almost killed Ron Hornaday in the Trucks, and obviously he's had some run-ins with his buddy Brad, which is what this very thread is about. Other than that, the mishaps he gets into tend to be the result of him just pushing too hard behind the wheel and screwing up, as he has done with Kasey Kahne a few times this season.

Personality-wise, there is no comparison whatsoever. No need to even get into that.

To be honest, I don't think there is anyone in NASCAR today that is exactly like Dale Sr. I will concede that I see traces of him in other drivers sometimes, but overall I feel like he was just one of a kind.
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I remember that race. Martin dominated and I also remember the pass for the lead.
 
Mr. Gregory said:
Challenge accepted.

As I said in another thread, I couldn't stand Dale Sr. Dare I say I hated him? I dunno, hate is a strong word, but I know I remember literally breaking down and crying when I watched him pass my hero Mark Martin during the last couple of laps and win at Sears Point in 1995. (I was only nine years old at the time. LOL.) I obviously didn't know much about racing back then, just that he drove a Chevy and I hated them and liked Fords because my dad did. I also knew he wrecked people all the time, and since my dad didn't like that, neither did I. With those two strikes against him, his fate was sealed as far as I was concerned.

As far as the Kyle/Sr. comparison goes, you could make a case for them being similar on the track, because they are/were both aggressive drivers, but for me that's where the comparison ends. Sr. flat out wrecked people intentionally all the time, just to gain that next spot. On the other hand, when I watch Kyle, I feel like he generally tries to keep it clean for the most part. When he does wreck people intentionally, it's usually in retaliation for perceived injustice, like when he almost killed Ron Hornaday in the Trucks, and obviously he's had some run-ins with his buddy Brad, which is what this very thread is about. Other than that, the mishaps he gets into tend to be the result of him just pushing too hard behind the wheel and screwing up, as he has done with Kasey Kahne a few times this season.

Personality-wise, there is no comparison whatsoever. No need to even get into that.

To be honest, I don't think there is anyone in NASCAR today that is exactly like Dale Sr. I will concede that I see traces of him in other drivers sometimes, but overall I feel like he was just one of a kind.
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I remember that race too... 9 years old? lol

I'm old :(

The only comparison I'd make to Kyle and Dale is the reaction of some fans whenever anything happens involving Kyle, like with him and Brad recently. So many tears... and I'm not talking about 9 year olds. lol
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Joey Logano
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Do you have dreams about arguing with me on here? lol.. how often do you sit with a pen and pad of paper brainstorming..prepping your insults?

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SlicedBread22 said:
Do you have dreams about arguing with me on here? lol.. how often do you sit with a pen and pad of paper brainstorming..prepping your insults?
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About as much time as a full grown adult does spending time on a forum posting pictures of poorly drawn MSFT Paint renders
 
I really think TRL should start a kiddy section set up like the podium and relegate certain posters there until they mature enough (like the cheese on the commercial) to post in the open forum, just my opinion.

Edit: On second thought TRL if you could make a sticky of All Things Joey it might help.
 
Johali said:
I really think TRL should start a kiddy section set up like the podium and relegate certain posters there until they mature enough (like the cheese on the commercial) to post in the open forum, just my opinion.
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Its funny how some of the ones that would need to go there are in their 40's and 50's
 
Man, Kyle is still on about what happened at Watkins Glen last year? I realize drivers never forget, but did Kyle forget that this year he beat Brad at Watkins Glen? It was a good, hard, fairly clean battle to boot. I feel like Kyle earned his redemption at that point and honestly, it should have been over with.

But yeah, it sounds like he just doesn't like Brad very much. That's cool. Brad doesn't like him either.
 
FenderBumper said:
Kyle on Brad rivalry.

https://soundcloud.com/siriusxmsports/kyle-busch-talks-about-rivalry

He finally admits he wrecked him on purpose....
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He didn't admit squat.

"I had an opportunity I could have lifted when I got tight, but I didn't I just drove through the tight."

It's a big jump to take that statement to mean Kyle's intent was to wreck Brad. Kyle's still holding a grudge for the Glen, but all that means is that give and take is gone between the two. Not that what happened at Kansas was a calculated decision to purposely wreck Brad.

 
gordonite said:
He didn't admit squat.

"I had an opportunity I could have lifted when I got tight, but I didn't I just drove through the tight."

It's a big jump to take that statement to mean Kyle's intent was to wreck Brad. Kyle's still holding a grudge for the Glen, but all that means is that give and take is gone between the two. Not that what happened at Kansas was a calculated decision to purposely wreck Brad.
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Are you kidding me?! How is that not admitting it? He said he could have not wrecked him but chose to... I really don't get whats so hard about that... oughta change ur name to buschite?
 
gordonite said:
He didn't admit squat.

"I had an opportunity I could have lifted when I got tight, but I didn't I just drove through the tight."

It's a big jump to take that statement to mean Kyle's intent was to wreck Brad. Kyle's still holding a grudge for the Glen, but all that means is that give and take is gone between the two. Not that what happened at Kansas was a calculated decision to purposely wreck Brad.
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I NEVER suggested it was a "calculated decision to purposely wreck Brad."

Geez dude, you always do this. You read what's posted, think it says something different than what was written, then proceed to start an argument with yourself. It's kind of funny to watch.
 
FenderBumper said:
I NEVER suggested it was a "calculated decision to purposely wreck Brad."

Geez dude, you always do this. You read what's posted, think it says something different than what was written, then proceed to start an argument with yourself. It's kind of funny to watch.
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YEP.
 
FenderBumper said:
I NEVER suggested it was a "calculated decision to purposely wreck Brad."

Geez dude, you always do this. You read what's posted, think it says something different than what was written, then proceed to start an argument with yourself. It's kind of funny to watch.
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You and some others here have been saying Kyle wrecked Brad on purpose. If that's true there must have been a decision on Kyle's part to do it.... see SB22's post.

You can't do something "on purpose" by accident.
 
gordonite said:
You and some others here have been saying Kyle wrecked Brad on purpose. If that's true there must have been a decision on Kyle's part to do it.... see SB22's post.

You can't do something "on purpose" by accident.
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Yes, and we're all happy Kyle finally came clean. I'm happy you dropped the whole "calculated decision" rant.

Kyle himself said "I could have lifted when I got tight, but I just drove right thru it".

KYLE got tight and caused the contact, then decided to "drive right thru it". That's completely different from what happened at the Glen, where Kyle ran into Brads front end, with no help from Brad.

It's also telling that Kyle lays out a bunch of complaints about how hard Brad was racing him, and that he "lost respect" for him BEFORE the wreck. Truth is, Kyle chooses to forget how much blocking, door jamming and running over Brads front end he did at the Glen this year. By Kyle's standards, Brad should have wrecked him there, but didn't.

Kyle wrecked himself at the Glen, but he still can't admit he messed up. Brad giving Kyle "an inch" wouldn't have worked, because Kyle clobbered the 2 car 2 feet from the front bumper. So Kyle got annoyed at Kansas and ran Brad up to the wall. When Brad took the normal line into the dog leg, Kyle didn't turn (because he was tight :rolleyes:) and flat out wrecked him.
 
Calculated decision...decision, it's all the same. You don't make a decision without thinking about it first, do you?
Kyle raced hard with no give and take for whatever reason. I just see it as hard racing. Yes Brad got turned. That doesn't mean Kyle decided to turn Brad, just that Kyle decided to hold his line and stay in the gas.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Are you kidding me?! How is that not admitting it? He said he could have not wrecked him but chose to... I really don't get whats so hard about that... oughta change ur name to buschite?
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He never said he could have not wrecked him but chose to. He said he was tight, could have lifted but decided to drive through the tight.

That is no more Kyle wrecking Brad on purpose than Logano wrecking Hamalin on purpose at Fontana, because Logano stayed in the gas and ran into Hamlin.


Just because someone decides to stay in the gas and because of that makes contact with the car he's racing doesn't automatically mean his intent was to wreck the guy.
 
Mr. Gregory said:
Personality-wise, there is no comparison whatsoever. No need to even get into that.

To be honest, I don't think there is anyone in NASCAR today that is exactly like Dale Sr. I will concede that I see traces of him in other drivers sometimes, but overall I feel like he was just one of a kind.
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I agree with all your thoughts Mr. Gregory , I would add that I don't see anyone in Nascar that communicates what a car needs to his crew chief like Dale did . He would often start a race with a car that was junk , and gradually make it into the best car on track by the end of the race. He didn't seem to complain so much as just state what he needed.
 
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