Brett Griffin: Garage talk is that AllStar package being used at all tracks next season

LewTheShoe said:
What a ridiculous thing to say. Count the number of guys spinning out on their own while trying to keep up to competitive speed. Take a look (and listen) to in-car cameras, with guys apexing at 45-60 mph below entry speeds, and fighting like hell to get back to full throttle before the guy ahead... or the guy coming from behind. Look at how many cars slip up the hill out of the bottom groove... and get passed because of it. Dumbing down that skill-based racing with high drag and high downforce and anemic motors will be a farce to those who understand what it takes to race at the front. And those who don't understand and don't care anyway... they won't be entertained for long by the relentless droning sound of WFO packs.

All racing cars are easy to drive slowly a couple tenths off the pace. Driving at competitive speed, and doing that while going head-to-head against the other fast guys... has never been easy and certainly isn't easy in 2018.
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Yeah the guy is on a roll. Full blown apologist mode and the rest of your post is totally on point.
 
StandOnIt said:
yep the fans loved it, many tracks want it, the Xfinity Indy race was the best one of the weekend two years in a row .
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Did you see the other races with that aero package or are you just going to cherry pick for all eternity?
 
I enjoyed the racing during the All Star race but mainly because I don't really have a dog in the fight and I prefer whatever provides the most drama and what I consider to be entertainment. However, I completely understand why many fans are against this race package being expanded to all non-RP tracks.
 
DUN24 said:
Yeah. So one nights results, should convince you to completely revamp the series.

Again, these same ****wads that blew up Jeff Gluck’s twitter in support of the race are now back pedaling en masse.
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Says the guy spouting message board posts trying to provie his point in an earlier message. smh lol
 
I'm still on the fence about the package. I want to see what the end result is. Right now, as far as I can tell it's still
a work in progress. Who knows, it may be a little different at each track.

Some may like the idea, and some may not.
Everyone sees the racing a bit differently and is entitled to their own opinion.
 
LewTheShoe said:
What a ridiculous thing to say. Count the number of guys spinning out on their own while trying to keep up to competitive speed. Take a look (and listen) to in-car cameras, with guys apexing at 45-60 mph below entry speeds, and fighting like hell to get back to full throttle before the guy ahead... or the guy coming from behind. Look at how many cars slip up the hill out of the bottom groove... and get passed because of it. Dumbing down that skill-based racing with high drag and high downforce and anemic motors will be a farce to those who understand what it takes to race at the front. And those who don't understand and don't care anyway... they won't be entertained for long by the relentless droning sound of WFO packs.

All racing cars are easy to drive slowly a couple tenths off the pace. Driving at competitive speed, and doing that while going head-to-head against the other fast guys... has never been easy and certainly isn't easy in 2018.
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You are correct. Anyone in the field could drive the 18 car 2/10s slower than Kyle does. It's that last little bit that separates them.. I want to see the best be able to outrun the rest. Socialist racing where nobody can get away from the pack is not something I will watch.
 
Switchback said:
You are correct. Anyone in the field could drive the 18 car 2/10s slower than Kyle does. It's that last little bit that separates them.. I want to see the best be able to outrun the rest. Socialist racing where nobody can get away from the pack is not something I will watch.
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probably need to look at the race highlights again over on the last page. None of the stage winners were in a pack.
 
StandOnIt said:
probably need to look at the race highlights again over on the last page. None of the stage winners were in a pack.
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We have a different definition of a pack. When every car still rolling is within a couple seconds, to me, that's a pack.
 
Switchback said:
You are correct. Anyone in the field could drive the 18 car 2/10s slower than Kyle does. It's that last little bit that separates them.. I want to see the best be able to outrun the rest. Socialist racing where nobody can get away from the pack is not something I will watch.
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You think Landon Cassill could outdrive KB if KB was 2 tenths slower?
 
I agree with TRL that everyone has an opinion, and I won't make it personal like some of y'all are doing. @Spotter22 and @StandOnIt both love stock car racing, and that's good enough for me. Also, it is wrong to bully them for having opinions that are less popular here, or less popular at Reddit. Why should they need numbers of others to make up their minds? They shouldn't. We all need to chill out a bit, IMO.
 
What is even more strange is that some think the backmarkers will somehow start winning races.
 
Spotter22 said:
You dont have one.
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Are you kidding? I’ve been stating it for MONTHS. Others have too. I share points with most of the posters in this thread.

Let me summarize a bit though I guess.

-You can see the difference in speed and it’s obvious visually and audibly these cars are not being pushed to the limit. Cars should not be glued to the apron and at WOT at any 1.5 mile race track unless it’s a downforce machine open wheeled car.

-Drivers have confirmed fans thoughts that the cars are too easy to drive

-The All Star Race was not better racing. It was lottery racing at lower speeds

-The premier cup series should not be easier to compete in than trucks or Xfinity

-This move makes NASCAR look like more of a gimmick-loving laughing stock

-This move can definitely chase fans and competitors away, as has already been mentioned by fans and competitors

-The racing is currently fantastic, there is no need to neuter these cars. Not every race is going to be a banger but I’ve been in the stands for two really good one and this year.


I can go on for months, and I probably will.
 
StandOnIt said:
probably need to look at the race highlights again over on the last page. None of the stage winners were in a pack.
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It's the racing around the track thats got me worried. Sure the leaders broke away but you really cant deny pack racing was going on can you? I dont want to see pack racing on 1.5 mile ovals, in fact I like it the way it is now.
 
DUN24 said:
Are you kidding? I’ve been stating it for MONTHS. Others have too. I share points with most of the posters in this thread.

Let me summarize a bit though I guess.

-You can see the difference in speed and it’s obvious visually and audibly these cars are not being pushed to the limit. Cars should not be glued to the apron and at WOT at any 1.5 mile race track unless it’s a downforce machine open wheeled car.

-Drivers have confirmed fans thoughts that the cars are too easy to drive

-The All Star Race was not better racing. It was lottery racing at lower speeds

-The premier cup series should not be easier to compete in than trucks or Xfinity

-This move makes NASCAR look like more of a gimmick-loving laughing stock

-This move can definitely chase fans and competitors away, as has already been mentioned by fans and competitors

-The racing is currently fantastic, there is no need to neuter these cars.


I can go on for months, and I probably will.
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I remember in the aftermath drivers even said the cars weren't very fast and easier to drive. Damn I wish I could find the articles I dont have time to dig.
 
LewTheShoe said:
I agree with TRL that everyone has an opinion, and I won't make it personal like some of y'all are doing. @Spotter22 and @StandOnIt both love stock car racing, and that's good enough for me. Also, it is wrong to bully them for having opinions that are less popular here. Why should they need numbers of others to make up their minds? They shouldn't. We all need to chill out a bit, IMO.
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yep some are really getting personal, but another point is why are fans talking about one race out of many. It's because it created interest. To me the racing on the same tracks is getting a bit stale, many here who are completely opposed to doing something different continually complain about the 1.5's, so here it is lets try it and see what happens.
 
Switchback said:
We have a different definition of a pack. When every car still rolling is within a couple seconds, to me, that's a pack.
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I know what you mean, I'd rather see them spread out by 40 seconds! Thrilling!
 
Snappy D said:
It's the racing around the track thats got me worried. Sure the leaders broke away but you really cant deny pack racing was going on can you? I dont want to see pack racing on 1.5 mile ovals, in fact I like it the way it is now.
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yeah I really can, I have watched the race like 4 times. What is has done is lenghten the time the cars are together on a restart. Instead of getting strung out in a lap or two, they stayed pretty close for three to five laps before they got strung out.
 
StandOnIt said:
yep some are really getting personal, but another point is why are fans talking about one race out of many. It's because it created interest. To me the racing on the same tracks is getting a bit stale, many here who are completely opposed to doing something different continually complain about the 1.5's, so here it is lets try it and see what happens.
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Fans are talking about this one race because we are being forced to. ;)
 
I agree with lou and I stated its all my opinion and with that being said, I'm just gonna leave it because we all are getting upset and excited about something we havent seen come out in print yet, and if it is related to the All start stuff I'd be willing to bet NASCAR is gonna give them more HP. Lets just see. Peace
 
StandOnIt said:
yeah I really can, I have watched the race like 4 times. What is has done is lenghten the time the cars are together on a restart. Instead of getting strung out in a lap or two, they stayed pretty close for three to five laps before they got strung out.
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I watched it twice. I thought it looked like pack racing to me. Like I stated earlier not my cup of tea but if you like where things are headed my hats off to you. I just feel there's no reason to make such a drastic change now, the product on the track I enjoy personally. I havent really been bored this year with the product.
 
StandOnIt said:
you are talking about the parade the 600 put on the same track the week after right? :D
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There’s a notable statistic from Saturday’s race — 38 green-flag passes for the lead, as measured by sensors around the track. In the same event last year, which Kyle Busch won? That number was zero.
 
Spotter22 said:
You think Landon Cassill could outdrive KB if KB was 2 tenths slower?
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I think Landon Cassil could drive Kyle's 18 car 2/10s slower than Kyle. If you force Kyle to run 2/10s slower than the pace he is capable of driving, then yes, I think Cassil could keep pace with him. Kyle's skill behind the wheel no longer makes him indomitable to lesser drivers when they are all able to flat foot it.
 
Snappy D said:
I watched it twice. I thought it looked like pack racing to me. Like I stated earlier not my cup of tea but if you like where things are headed my hats off to you. I just feel there's no reason to make such a drastic change now, the product on the track I enjoy personally. I havent really been bored this year with the product.
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I havent either, but that all star race was head and shoulders above any other race we had on that size track. Of course your milage may vary.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Remember that math from the jeff gluck poll thread?

Thats less than 1% of fans.

Yes lets change the entire sport based on <1% of fan’s kneejerk opinion of a throwaway race.
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The Jeff Gluck pole has the All star race in the 6th highest position 84 yes to 16 no. The same track the next week the 600 is fourth from the bottom with 38 yes and 62% saying no
BTW you pay attention to the crowd angle, the Allstar was a pole with almost 8000 voters. The 600 with 62 thumbs down had almost 9000 people who cared to vote.

can't have it both ways. These figures when they came out were shoe shoed around here. The fans liked it...bingo.
 
DUN24 said:
Yeah the guy is on a roll. Full blown apologist mode and the rest of your post is totally on point.
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Hey I missed this post glad I saw it, Listen buddy, I dont apologize or make **** up for anyone. Its my educated over 30 years in the business opinion and I'll put it my background up against yours everyday and twice on sunday. Thats al, now you have a nice day ya hear?
 
Spotter22 said:
Comparatively they are certainly easier to drive then cars that were built in the 90's and prior, its not even debateable.
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Simply declaring something as not debatable does not make it so. Even if I were to grant the point only for the sake of argument, what is the purpose of this observation? The cars are much easier to drive today than those of the '90s and prior, so they should be made much more easy to drive again for entertainment's sake?
 
I love it and its going to make the racing better so I'm 100 % for this on the mile and half and 2 miles tracks but they don't need it for the short track and road courses leave those tracks alone and just go with the mile and halfs and 2 mile tracks.

2019 is going to be be awesome can't wait!!!!
 
BobbyFord said:
Someone name a single NASCAR corporate decision that, from an overall fan standpoint, has had a positive impact on the sport in the past decade.
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this year or going way back? I'll go this year. Composite bodies in Xfinity, Spec motor option in the trucks, Standard radiators and oil coolers, and flat splitters in cu pand the others series. Recently reducing the tire cutters splitters, the disco tent for inspection, remodeling the tracks to make them more fan friendly, recently the throw back weekend at Darlington.
 
Spotter22 said:
Hey I missed this post glad I saw it, Listen buddy, I dont apologize or make sh!t up for anyone. Its my educated over 30 years in the business opinion and I'll put it my background up against yours everyday and twice on sunday. Thats al, now you have a nice day ya hear?
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An actual spotter in the cup garage right now is breaking this “news” and his opinion is almost exactly the same as mine based on listening to the guy talking about it. Your opinion isn’t more valid because you might have had a hard card at some point.

Anyways, sorry if I made it too personal but I couldn’t disagree with you more on the subject lol. Take care.
 
StandOnIt said:
this year or going way back? I'll go this year. Composite bodies in Xfinity, Spec motor option in the trucks, Standard radiators and oil coolers, and flat splitters in cu pand the others series. Recently reducing the tire cutters splitters, the disco tent for inspection, remodeling the tracks to make them more fan friendly, recently the throw back weekend at Darlington.
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Yup. Viewership and attendance are peaking. /s.
 
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