Bristol grandstands OUUUUUCH!!!!!!

I honestly think that they are elite racecar drivers . Being the worst of the top 43 ,just ain't that bad . Check out a loser like Kenny Wallace sometime and see how he does when he races against your local short track heros. All of these racers can beat the pants of the regional racers any day of the week.
I wholeheartedly agree but there is the rare exception to the rule. The infamous KyBu who is in a constant state of rage because he has tried for 8 years, even kicked off of the premises two years for cheating, and still cant win at Five Flags Speedway especially the Snowball Derby. Its just up the road from me and a point of local pride that the "pimply faced unwashed ones" always kick his ass. It pisses him off to no end that he roars into town like the second coming and people either ignore or laugh at him. :D
 
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NASCAR's Greed and Sagging Attendance

By Turning Its Back on the Southeastern Roots, NASCAR Feeling Turnstile Troubles

By Todd Burlage |Yahoo! Contributor Network – Wed, Mar 20, 2013 12:42 PM EDTCOMMENTARY | Looking back now -- about 10 or 15 years after the grand idea of expansion hit high gear -- moving the NASCAR brand into new territories probably did seem like a great idea.With attendance on the climb, television profits soaring, and a fresh new crop of drivers such as Matt Kenseth (Wisconsin), Jimmie Johnson (California), Carl Edwards (Missouri), and Kurt and Kyle Busch (Nevada) emerging from racing circuits outside of southeastern proving grounds, NASCAR was feeling regionally restless and financially constrained.And the way the popular auto racing series saw it, there was too much momentum, popularity, growth and potential profits to remain essentially trapped in the Southeast. So a decision was made to take the NASCAR show on the road at the expense of racetracks, cities and a loyal fanbase that spent decades supporting and growing its product.Traditional venues such as North Carolina Speedway (The Rock) and North Wilkesboro Speedway became collateral damage in a sport that turned its interest from green flags to greenbacks -- with both of those popular venues shut down when NASCAR moved out.Through failing infrastructure and sagging attendance, NASCAR argues that the traditional tracks it left behind in the Southeast weren't meeting the needs for a new and more sophisticated NASCAR spectator, so the time had come to move onward and westward to places such as Chicago, Kansas City, Fontana, Calif., and Las Vegas. But at what expense?And in almost comical fashion, Darlington Raceway -- host site of the coveted Southern 500 that was traditionally run on Labor Day weekend -- lost one of its two race dates and had its important holiday weekend events moved from South Carolina where they belonged to Auto Club Speedway, somehow fittingly, not far from Hollywood, Calif.From Jumbotrons and rock concerts, to Wi-Fi and sushi, the newer tracks feature all the sideshows and amenities a race fan could ever imagine … until the green flag drops.The popular 1.5-mile "Cookie Cutter" blueprint of many newer facilities feature great sightlines, clean bathrooms, and paved parking lots. But the on-track "action" is lame, providing little close racing, no passing and few crashes -- essentially turning the fender-rubbing show from the old tracks like Rockingham into a high-speed game of follow the leader.And the novelty is steadily wearing off.Like a brand new toy, the fresh demographic that NASCAR targeted embraced this new show early on and filled the seats accordingly, based more on curiosity and newness than knowledge and interest.But fads fade, and these new tracks have all suffered diminishing attendance essentially every year since they opened.According to a reportlast summer in USA Today, overall attendance in NASCAR's premier racing circuit dropped 8.5 percent from the 2009 to the 2012 race seasons.And in the last six years, attendance in Chicago dropped 19 percent and Kansas about 20 percent. The crowds became so sparse in Fontana, it eventually surrendered to Atlanta Motor Speedway the Labor Day weekend race that was taken from Darlington.For the sake of fairness, some older tracks are also suffering attendance slumps. According to racing authority Jayski.com,turnout for the Brickyard 400 in Indianapolis is down 54 percent since 2007, and the two races at Michigan International Speedway were down 42 percent in those same six racing seasons.In a high-speed case of follow the money, it's no surprise that many of the race dates awarded during NASCAR's hyper-relocation period went to tracks owned by International Speedway Corp. -- a business created by NASCAR founder Bill France, Sr., and currently run by CEO Jim France.And since 2004 when the Chase for the Championship was launched and the schedule shuffling hit full throttle, ISC has managed to secure at least one Sprint Cup race in four of its newer locations, Fontana, Kansas, Chicago and Homestead-Miami -- and ISC tracks host six of the 10 Chase for the Championship events.Some of the raw attendance slippage can be attributed to racing facilities cutting seating capacity for the sake of spectator comfort. But according to NASCAR Scene, advanced ticket sales have slipped about 20 percent since 2009, which has nothing to do with fewer available seats.NASCAR saw an opportunity to get bigger and wealthier when it expanded with the blind faith that "if you build it, they will come."But pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.And burning the bridges with the folks that builtthe bridges for the sake of profits is a dangerous endeavor. And now NASCAR not only faces sagging attendance at the newer tracks expected to take it to new financial heights, but also within a ticked off fanbase in the Southeast that isn't interested in feeding the hog that ran away from home.
 
Interesting read and while it is a shame that some of those old tracks are no longer hosting races, they also weren't bring in the butts to the stands. Running a business, any business that is ran for profit, capital's important. When these places aren't profitable they become memories. It's a never ending cycle.
 
I honestly think that they are elite racecar drivers . Being the worst of the top 43 ,just ain't that bad . Check out a loser like Kenny Wallace sometime and see how he does when he races against your local short track heros. All of these racers can beat the pants of the regional racers any day of the week.

Really??? I've been to a lot of races with a bunch of big name drivers and I can tell you that a lot of regional and local drivers can go door to door with the best of them in their own backyards. There's plenty of talented race car drivers that are outside the NASCAR bubble.
 
I honestly think that they are elite racecar drivers . Being the worst of the top 43 ,just ain't that bad . Check out a loser like Kenny Wallace sometime and see how he does when he races against your local short track heros. All of these racers can beat the pants of the regional racers any day of the week.

What about F1 and Indy car drivers? There are some bad drivers in cup. Perhaps you've heard of the woman driver....
 
Interesting read and while it is a shame that some of those old tracks are no longer hosting races, they also weren't bring in the butts to the stands. Running a business, any business that is ran for profit, capital's important. When these places aren't profitable they become memories. It's a never ending cycle.
I agree with you.
It is also easy to second guess with the benefits of hindsight, and to ignore the benefits of new markets.

I just wish they had prohibited everyone from building the standard 1.5 mile cookie cutter.
I also don't like the link to ISC, a conflict of interest, that isn't necessarily in the best of interest of the fans.

Anyone building a nascar track for sprint cup racing other than ISC or SMC faces almost impossible odds for getting a date. Example: Iowa would be a great replacement for one of the cookie cutters, and with a date in hand they could build the seating capacity.
But they aren't owned by ISC so don't expect any action, the ability to put on a better race will not compel those in power. Because it is all about the shareholders rather than the racing.
 
I believe that any track west of the Mississippi River whose attendance drops below 50% capacity should be replaced on the schedule with a short track East of the river. :p
 
I honestly think that they are elite racecar drivers . Being the worst of the top 43 ,just ain't that bad . Check out a loser like Kenny Wallace sometime and see how he does when he races against your local short track heros. All of these racers can beat the pants of the regional racers any day of the week.
Kenny Wallace was on an episode of "Are U Faster Than a Redneck", they brought him out for the final race on the little tight road course they have to race a driver who had won both of his races racing other amateurs. He never smoked a tire, or came even close to losing control. It was like night and day comparison to the other driver. I hear ya Ted
 
I honestly think that they are elite racecar drivers . Being the worst of the top 43 ,just ain't that bad . Check out a loser like Kenny Wallace sometime and see how he does when he races against your local short track heros. All of these racers can beat the pants of the regional racers any day of the week.

I'd like to see Kenny Wallace, Danica Patrick, Paul Menard, David Ragan and Aric Almirola come out here and race against Philip Morris, Lee Pulliam and CE Falk. My money's on Philip and Lee.
 
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More tribble from a biased reporter, who obviously doesn't have a clue about demographics, market share, or economics. The racing has been pretty much been the same for years. Well then what has changed...hmm a few thousand lost their houses..the big three automakers all went bankrupt with massive layoffs, I think I heard somewhere..might be on the tube, that the "R" word was mentioned about our economy situation..nah couldn't be that, it has to be the racing quality..yeah that's it.
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nascars-greed-sagging-attendance-164200797--nascar.html
More tribble from a biased reporter, who obviously doesn't have a clue about demographics, market share, or economics. The racing has been pretty much been the same for years. Well then what has changed...hmm a few thousand lost their houses..the big three automakers all went bankrupt with massive layoffs, I think I heard somewhere..might be on the tube, that the "R" word was mentioned about our economy situation..nah couldn't be that, it has to be the racing quality..yeah that's it.

The economic downturn doesn't explain the plummeting television ratings.
 
Chase ratings dropped three out of the last four years. Last year ESPN/ABC averaged 4.2 million viewers for the Chase which is significantly lower than they'd been having. FOX and TNT viewership numbers were also lower in 2012 than they were in 2011 and 2009.

http://www.jayski.com/news/pages/story/_/page/NASCAR-Televison-Ratings-2013
 
so what. Compare it to stick and ball ratings or something significant or similar. They're all down.
 
Give it a rest.
No other sport comes under as much fire because of its Nielsen numbers. Not even the National Basketball Association, which struggled to get one million viewers for its marquee games during the regular season, gets as much grief.
Yet, NASCAR is the one getting pummeled for viewership bouncing between a season low 5.9 million viewers (Richmond) and 13.6 million for this year’s Daytona 500, a race that was postponed by rain and moved from Sunday to a Monday work day.
 
Give it a rest.
No other sport comes under as much fire because of its Nielsen numbers. Not even the National Basketball Association, which struggled to get one million viewers for its marquee games during the regular season, gets as much grief.
Yet, NASCAR is the one getting pummeled for viewership bouncing between a season low 5.9 million viewers (Richmond) and 13.6 million for this year’s Daytona 500, a race that was postponed by rain and moved from Sunday to a Monday work day.

And if there's six NBA games on and they each get, say 600,000 viewers, that's already more viewers than a lot of NASCAR races.

And last year's Daytona 500 was moved to a Monday Night which is one of the more popular timeslots.
 
Give it a rest.
No other sport comes under as much fire because of its Nielsen numbers. Not even the National Basketball Association, which struggled to get one million viewers for its marquee games during the regular season, gets as much grief.
Yet, NASCAR is the one getting pummeled for viewership bouncing between a season low 5.9 million viewers (Richmond) and 13.6 million for this year’s Daytona 500, a race that was postponed by rain and moved from Sunday to a Monday work day.

Oh and 5.9 was the lowest rating last year? Where'd you get that bull**** from?
 
Oh and 5.9 was the lowest rating last year? Where'd you get that bull**** from?
You're right Andy, there were many races last year with fewer than 5.9 million viewers. All the Chase races drew less than that, and the REALLY sad part is that the lowest viewership of the season was for the season finale at Homestead. Only 3.4 million tuned in to see who the new champion would be. By comparison, that's less than half of the 7.3 million that tuned in for the 2003 finale, which was the last non-chase year and a finale in which the Championship had already been decided.

Source is Jayski, before anyone asks for sources as people often do.
 
Really??? I've been to a lot of races with a bunch of big name drivers and I can tell you that a lot of regional and local drivers can go door to door with the best of them in their own backyards. There's plenty of talented race car drivers that are outside the NASCAR bubble.

Yep. CE Falk beat a bunch of Cup guys in the Showdown before it was moved to a Cup track. I've seen Cup drivers race at the big race at Old Dominion and not crack the top ten. Joey Logano had to dump Peyton Sellers at Irwindale a few years ago (the man's still pissed off about that). And why doesn't Kyle Busch win every Super Late Model race he's in?
 
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