Carl Edwards retires

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  1. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    That's OK. Not necessary. I don't like Carl and have the right to say it. I also have a long term memory and just love it when Karma bites someones ass.
    A good example would be when Denny bragged on camera that he was going to wreck Brad and then went out and did it. After Joey went to Penski he tried to do the same thing only Karma stepped in and it was Denny that got hurt. I just love it when guys like him get whats coming.
    It is the thinking process of both Denny and Carl that stopped them from digging deep and winning a championship when it was right there for them.
     
  2. cheesepuffs

    cheesepuffs Smokes, let's go

    I feel like your recollection of these events is a bit off from the truth. For starters, what does Denny getting hurt have to do with Carl?
     
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  3. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    It was those 2 cup drivers that went after Brad in the Bush series. 2 peas in a pod.
     
  4. cheesepuffs

    cheesepuffs Smokes, let's go

    Anddddd Logano wrecking Denny comes into play where?
     
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  5. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    If you can watch the race again, Denny started it and Joey finished it but I doubt it was intentional.
    Like I said we all have different memories and they help form our own opinions.
    I am certainly not going to spill my drink trying to defend mine.
     
  6. cheesepuffs

    cheesepuffs Smokes, let's go

    Whether it was intentional or not, where does this fit into the Brad vs Carl feud?
     
  7. hidesert cowboy

    hidesert cowboy Team Owner

    remember that barney visser was sure he wouldn't have eric jones in 2018, I wonder if that was because they were pretty sure carl was going to retire. or maybe matt kenseth is going to. I just thought it was interesting how definitive barney was that eric jones would not be in the car more than 1 year. I always wondered if these guys ever thought to themselves, F IT, it just aint worth it. being gone all season long like that. essentially not being able to have a life outside racing.

    if I was somehow able to script my own life as a top tier nascar driver. I wouldn't want to do it more than 10 years. I always look at how many NXS races a guy runs and get a guage on how much I think they are liking being in the sport. if they are running alot of lower tier races its clear to me they are enjoying racing. That is unless there is something or some reason why they traditionally don't run those races. for instance JJ always sucked at NXS races, he knows it, and I don't think chad wants him running in that series anyways. but of note at least Carl hasn't been running NXS races. here is something intestesting about carl edwards and the NXS series. he hasn't even ran a race in the series since 2012 and that year he only ran 1 race. its been since 2011 he has ran races in that series which to me seems shocking. I am surprised he didn't want to have a crack at a joe gibbs nationwide car.

    as for suarez, I am going to predict it now, I would be very surprised if he does anything in that car. Cup is way different from the NXS series in a gibbs car. The hauler driver could drive a gibbs NXS car into the top 5. I haven't seen suarez show me anything that makes me think he really has it. Honestly we don't know about eric jones either. success in those cars those 2 guys were in to me doesn't say a whole lot. there was simply that much disparity in equipment.
     
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  8. jaqua19

    jaqua19 Team Owner

    It's not so much phony-ness.. it's text book neuroticism in the form the idealized self. It's defense. Carl clearly has some insecurties, doubts and some anger that's been surpressed. I think he creates this "character" to avoid his anger and sensitivities because it's who he feels he should be to the world, who he wants to be and who he thinks he is.

    Of course, surpressed feelings always get triggered.

    It's not phony-ness per se, it's just a coping mechanism for surpressed personality traits. Having that conflicted of a personality is troublesome enough to deal with even for an every day person. I see it at my work office a lot. I can only imagine how difficult it may be for a professional athlete to deal with, in terms of the stress he places on himself. Assuming this theory of mine is correct.
    Not to shift the conversation to sports psychology ..but man he fits the bill better than any other driver.
    Not trying to invalidate your opinion by any means, just my understanding of the front he puts on.

    Someone on another forum suggested his career may have taken a toll on his mental health, and I was like.. BOOM! haha
     
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  9. cheesepuffs

    cheesepuffs Smokes, let's go

    I'll agree with this. It'll be interesting to watch it unfold for sure. Jones also sometimes has meltdowns in the car when things aren't going well but it could be age too. He'll mature. Or not. That's why we watch I guess, haha.
     
  10. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    It could also be, like many fans, Carl is tired of the ridiculous micromanaging and overall direction of the sport.
    IMO, NASCAR is a fraction of what it was. Champion just doesn't have the same meaning as it once did. The prestige is gone and has been replaced by gimmicks.
     
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  11. jaqua19

    jaqua19 Team Owner

    I'm sure there are multiple factors at play. Given the circumstances of the championship, and the possible changes, that likely had the biggest effect on his decision, like you say.

    That post was more so addressing Carl's personality.

    As someone pointed out earlier though, he did sort of sugar coat his understanding of that caution with 15 to go. So I totally feel you here as well. I can almost hear him saying "it's BS man, I'm done with this"
     
  12. cheesepuffs

    cheesepuffs Smokes, let's go

    He definitely didn't have the easiest life. He lived in his car at a point when he was trying to make it and from what I understand he doesn't have a relationship with his father. I think in an endearing way when you combine it all, this stuff makes him seem more human and you can relate to him more. I never really thought of it this way before but it makes sense. When it comes down to it, remember that these guys that sign autographs and make all this money and everything, they're real people just like us with real issues. You don't know what they're been through or what they feel deep down away from the track and the media.
     
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  13. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    Yeah I don't watch the Chase races so I missed the post race commentary.
    Fans are aware of the decline of the sport's popularity, I imagine the drivers are also.
     
  14. jaqua19

    jaqua19 Team Owner

    I didn't actually know any of that about Carl's past. But you hit the nail on the head here.

    What you said here definitely explains the very close relationship he has with his mother. She probably was his rock

    It probably explains his fustration with Brad as well. Brad and Carl were friends and Brad looked up to him before their careers took off. The dynamics of that relationship probably reflected what he missed with his father. So he and Brad getting into on the track probably triggered whatever anger was surpressed from a key developmental relationship he didnt have.

    Huh, thank you..learn something new every day :)
     
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  15. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    I'm willing to lend you my signature for a week or two ... let me know.
     
  16. Ford Racing

    Ford Racing Jackman

    Yeah, I think it's ultimately because of the gimmicks or whatever you want to call them. Maybe he heard about the changes Monster wants to make. That, combined with how Homestead ended may have been the last straw.
     
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  17. cheesepuffs

    cheesepuffs Smokes, let's go

    Exactly. Honestly after he showed so much class at Homestead I was just thinking the other day that man I'm gonna pull for Carl this year. I felt like he really deserved a Cup. And now I read this today, it just figures. I think Carl, if you were to get to know him personally, would be a very layered and mature guy that succeeded because he had no choice and no safety net. I could be wrong but that's just the feeling I get. Like if he opened up to you over some beers he'd be a really interesting person.
     
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  18. Clutch

    Clutch Team Owner

    Carl must have a contract with one of the networks for telecasts.
     
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  19. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    That would be cool. He certainly can't be strapped for cash. NASCAR earnings plus Doctor wife...
     
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  20. TexasRaceLady

    TexasRaceLady Admin/TimeOut Monitor Staff Member Contributor

  21. cheesepuffs

    cheesepuffs Smokes, let's go

    Why? Why does there have to be an answer? Why does it have to be, "Gibbs must have forced him out", or, "It must have been that crash at Homestead", or, "He must have a TV contract"?

    Why can't a man just walk away from something on his own accord, for all the reasons, for perhaps for no reason at all? Maybe he's just... sick of it. Maybe he got farther in life than he ever could have previously imagined and he feels a sense of inner peace with what he's accomplished. Maybe he wants to focus harder on signing more rappers to Back 40 Records. Whatever.
     
  22. jaqua19

    jaqua19 Team Owner

    [ been through or what they feel deep down
    I agree. I relate to that in him and I've processed a lot of my childhood conflicts but it's why I became such a fan of Carl. My deal was more surpressed self judgement and fears than anger, but I just remember seeing him as a layered person and thinking "wow if I was a driver THAT would be me".

    Now to be honest, it really does suck that he's retiring, but Daniel will be interesting to watch for sure.
     
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  23. Clutch

    Clutch Team Owner

    I hear you and I agree. Maybe he doesn't have a contract yet and maybe he just wants to spend quality time with his family. Awesome.
    And when he wants to work I'm sure that he can get a contract with any network.
     
  24. jaqua19

    jaqua19 Team Owner

    Carl loves rap. Clearly haha.
     
  25. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    There has to be a reason. Best thing is it's Carl's reason and he should be able to do what he wants. I hope all goes well for him. He was a great driver and I'm happy to have been a fan.
     
  26. cheesepuffs

    cheesepuffs Smokes, let's go

    I think Allenbaba spelled out the reason pretty well awhile ago when he said the retiring driver just woke up one day and realized he was tired of the grind. Which you're right, that is a reason, but some people seem to be digging for something more, but I think that's reason enough.
     
  27. jaqua19

    jaqua19 Team Owner

  28. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

  29. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    Absolutely
     
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  30. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    Can we petition NBC to have Carl Edwards replace Jeff Burton?
     
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  31. Revman

    Revman "...I care about the trophy."--Kyle Busch

    Kyle wants to win, and is repulsed by losing. If you are not repulsed by losing, and you lose, you become bored, and maybe find something else to do.
     
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  32. hidesert cowboy

    hidesert cowboy Team Owner

    Here is a theory, could NASCAR have asked Carl to delay the announcement till after the monster deal was announced ? With Jeff, tony, and. Potentially at the time dale jr being gone that would have an impact on negotiations.
     
  33. kyle18fan

    kyle18fan You will be missed Nicky


    A wonderful theory ;)
     
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  34. kyle18fan

    kyle18fan You will be missed Nicky



    Can we just dump NBC altogether
     
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  35. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    Okay, I got confused somewhere. What does "winning a championship from JJ" mean? What the heck does Johnson have to do with this?

    I already hate myself for asking.
     
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  36. Michfan

    Michfan Team Owner

    @Team Penske has shown his true colors many times on this forum. The guy still thinks it's 2010. Carl is such an *******. Tell that to all the kids and sick people he gave his trophies to after wins
     
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  37. The Nature Boy

    The Nature Boy Stylin and Profilin

    Also, the guy is rich and has potential to make even more money doing TV gigs that require less time away from family and don't involve the risk of bodily harm. It's a logical choice here.
     
  38. dpkimmel2001

    dpkimmel2001 Team Owner

  39. dpkimmel2001

    dpkimmel2001 Team Owner

    Could have been posted, IDK.

     
  40. Michfan

    Michfan Team Owner

    You can't count to 2?
     
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