Changes to stages and bonus points in 2018?

Brentford said:
Ugh! I've said it before, but how are fans suppose to explain the rules to newcomers when they keep changing them? I still havent bothered to look into the new points system. I just figure if my driver wins a race, he's in the chase. All these bonus points have confused me, so more stages will confuse me even more.
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I explain it as 'win and your in'. I've started to regard explaining making it on points the same way I explain Congress overriding a veto. It doesn't happen often enough to include when you're explaining the basic law making process. Save the exceptions for after someone becomes a fan.
 
aunty dive said:
So frantic ...

There is no logical business rational for making this announcement at this time. How is it possible to fully assess the impact of the 3 stage rule changes before every venue on the schedule has been visited or better yet, until a full season has been completed?

These idiots would spin their grandmothers out in the driveway for a half point ratings rise. Pathetic.
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Well said. I would give them more credit though if any of these constant desperate tweaks were producing greater popularity. If you're selling out for a benefit, it's at least understandable. So far the only real tangible increase I am aware of is the Homestead finale. One race out of 36.
 
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aunty dive said:
Don't confuse negativity with objectivity.
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You'll come around and support these initiatives I'm sure as it is progress....the more progress and enhancing Nascar does the less people are interested. Coinky dink?
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
You'll come around and support these initiatives I'm sure as it is progress....the more progress and enhancing Nascar does the less people are interested. Coinky dink?
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You're even more confused than I first thought.
 
I made it quite clear that I did not "endorse" this idea.

If you wish to continue personalizing responses, send me a pm. I'm told that's the process here.
 
kymartin6 said:
You can group me with your dad 2 sweet...... I started following it in 1964........ used to plan my weekends around it...... now..... the wife and I have a lot more free time to do other stuff....... I watch or listen to MRN or PRN when it's handy...... If we are doing something else.... I check the highlights later....... I don't even bother to record it and watch later....... I still follow it.... but....... It doesn't engulf my weekends anymore.......
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Same here I used to plan my Sunday around Nascar, not anymore. The 600 was the first race I actually watched in about a year and a half, not just glanced here and there at it. Sadly it will probably be the only race I watch a lot of, the product sucks.
 
aunty dive said:
I made it quite clear that I did not "endorse" this idea.

If you wish to continue personalizing responses, send me a pm. I'm told that's the process here.
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People tell you lots of things don't they? Are you saying that every race is not a good race? Have any of the changes Nascar has made caused you to follow the series less? Think very carefully.
 
I am going to begin this with I completely understand people's frustration with the constant changes. I too have said that I would like to see NASCAR keep things in tact for a few seasons. Here is where I disconnect on a few things. Obviously, we all would like the sport to flourish and be as popular as it was when FOX took on the TV deal, but can anyone here tell me what made it so popular? At that time, NASCAR scored a huge deal and FOX who was the leader among major sports for must see TV added them to their lineup. FOX had the NFL, MLB on Saturdays, maybe even the NHL at the time, but that may have been prior and then they added NASCAR and with it they brought a new look into the sport. Unfortunately, the Earnhardt death placed a huge spotlight on the sport around that time as well, but in totality the sport has not changed a ton.

The cars were still much lower to the ground compared to the "hay days" that are spoken of so much on this forum, the cars looked very similar to each other in the early 2000's etc. What changed at that time was the way the sport was being presented. At that time there were not the overwhelming amount of sports channels on TV, a lot of teams did not have their own cable deals to broadcast all of their games the entire season etc. A lot has changed in the TV/Sports/Entertainment world since then. NASCAR was a bit of appointment TV, but I think all of us hardcore fans, which any of us who take the time to visit a forum dedicated to the sport have to be lumped into that group, think the sport was insanely popular. I'm not saying the sport was not popular and that it didn't boom, but we are all so linked into the sport that it became exciting to see the growth. However, how many of those "new" fans were really dedicated to the sport? I think what we are seeing in some cases is the gradual drop off of the fringe follower who thought the sport was pretty cool and liked the buzz that came with it, but would not be the loyal type that visit the local short tracks, DVR the race regardless of when and where, or plan Sunday's around the race. As it is with anything that booms there is always correction. Homes, sports, pop culture, the stock market.......all of them boom and then correct and sometimes bust. I will most likely get lambasted for this, but compare NASCAR to Professional Wrestling for a minute. Both were at one time fringe sports/entertainment. Both boomed. At it's height WWE was drawing a ridiculous 8.0 rating on Monday nights and now they are lucky to get a 3.0 rating. The good news is that things eventually come back into style so to speak.

As long time fans we always look for reasons as to why the sport is failing and how to correct it. In reality, maybe we should be looking at why was it ever as big as it was? What made it so popular and how does that apply to 2017 if at all? Fans want to point at the changes in the sport as to why it is failing. In reality the sport was correcting prior, what is disconcerting to me is the fact that the people who are making the decisions seem to not understand that. Instead they have tried like hell to make changes to it in an effort to drum up popularity, all the while, they have been running some of the tried and true believers of the sport away. It is very much a double edged sword for NASCAR because they are seeing sponsors leave and fans not show up, but let's not forget how the economy plays a role in all of it.

My 2 questions for everyone here are these.


1) What made the sport boom when it did? Where did it go? How do we get it back?

2) Why does it need to return to the levels of popularity it once was? Are we not ok with NASCAR being our sport? Our niche?

So that was like 5 questions, but whatever.
 
aunty dive said:
I made it quite clear that I did not "endorse" this idea.

If you wish to continue personalizing responses, send me a pm. I'm told that's the process here.
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Skoalbandit33 said:
People tell you lots of things don't they? Are you saying that every race is not a good race? Have any of the changes Nascar has made caused you to follow the series less? Think very carefully.
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This is a single issue thread topic. I posted accordingly and it appears that a few people agreed with my statement.

If you'd like some help comprehending my objectivity concerning this and other matters, send me a pm.
 
clarkfn2284 said:
I am going to begin this with I completely understand people's frustration with the constant changes. I too have said that I would like to see NASCAR keep things in tact for a few seasons. Here is where I disconnect on a few things. Obviously, we all would like the sport to flourish and be as popular as it was when FOX took on the TV deal, but can anyone here tell me what made it so popular? At that time, NASCAR scored a huge deal and FOX who was the leader among major sports for must see TV added them to their lineup. FOX had the NFL, MLB on Saturdays, maybe even the NHL at the time, but that may have been prior and then they added NASCAR and with it they brought a new look into the sport. Unfortunately, the Earnhardt death placed a huge spotlight on the sport around that time as well, but in totality the sport has not changed a ton.

The cars were still much lower to the ground compared to the "hay days" that are spoken of so much on this forum, the cars looked very similar to each other in the early 2000's etc. What changed at that time was the way the sport was being presented. At that time there were not the overwhelming amount of sports channels on TV, a lot of teams did not have their own cable deals to broadcast all of their games the entire season etc. A lot has changed in the TV/Sports/Entertainment world since then. NASCAR was a bit of appointment TV, but I think all of us hardcore fans, which any of us who take the time to visit a forum dedicated to the sport have to be lumped into that group, think the sport was insanely popular. I'm not saying the sport was not popular and that it didn't boom, but we are all so linked into the sport that it became exciting to see the growth. However, how many of those "new" fans were really dedicated to the sport? I think what we are seeing in some cases is the gradual drop off of the fringe follower who thought the sport was pretty cool and liked the buzz that came with it, but would not be the loyal type that visit the local short tracks, DVR the race regardless of when and where, or plan Sunday's around the race. As it is with anything that booms there is always correction. Homes, sports, pop culture, the stock market.......all of them boom and then correct and sometimes bust. I will most likely get lambasted for this, but compare NASCAR to Professional Wrestling for a minute. Both were at one time fringe sports/entertainment. Both boomed. At it's height WWE was drawing a ridiculous 8.0 rating on Monday nights and now they are lucky to get a 3.0 rating. The good news is that things eventually come back into style so to speak.

As long time fans we always look for reasons as to why the sport is failing and how to correct it. In reality, maybe we should be looking at why was it ever as big as it was? What made it so popular and how does that apply to 2017 if at all? Fans want to point at the changes in the sport as to why it is failing. In reality the sport was correcting prior, what is disconcerting to me is the fact that the people who are making the decisions seem to not understand that. Instead they have tried like hell to make changes to it in an effort to drum up popularity, all the while, they have been running some of the tried and true believers of the sport away. It is very much a double edged sword for NASCAR because they are seeing sponsors leave and fans not show up, but let's not forget how the economy plays a role in all of it.

My 2 questions for everyone here are these.


1) What made the sport boom when it did? Where did it go? How do we get it back?

2) Why does it need to return to the levels of popularity it once was? Are we not ok with NASCAR being our sport? Our niche?

So that was like 5 questions, but whatever.
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1)Danger. Blue Collar guys that cussed, smoked, drank, and fought with their fists (not with their precious twitter account). Guys the common man could relate too (Earnhard workinng on his farm, Harry Gant doing Carpentry during the week)

Col looking cars and sponsors that FIT the sport and didnt look stupid. (Bud, Coors, Old Milwaukee, Skoal, Camel, Winston, valvoline, Western Autp, Hooters, )

Sponsors took over, they always have been important but the held all the power. Remember when Coors Light forced Ganassi to replace Sterling marlin with David Stremme so they could target the 21-28 age group? I mean come on now

NASCAR sold their soul to the devil when that 2001 contract with FOX and NBC was signed

Sure Jeff Gordon went on SNL and hosted, dale Jr was the face of NASCAR.... but it became white collar

It went from beer drinkers to wine drinkers. Drivers just standing and watching their cars being worked on instead of getting dirty and helping

Drivers wearing 200.00 sunglasses with their model wife who never works
 
clarkfn2284 said:
I am going to begin this with I completely understand people's frustration with the constant changes. I too have said that I would like to see NASCAR keep things in tact for a few seasons. Here is where I disconnect on a few things. Obviously, we all would like the sport to flourish and be as popular as it was when FOX took on the TV deal, but can anyone here tell me what made it so popular? At that time, NASCAR scored a huge deal and FOX who was the leader among major sports for must see TV added them to their lineup. FOX had the NFL, MLB on Saturdays, maybe even the NHL at the time, but that may have been prior and then they added NASCAR and with it they brought a new look into the sport. Unfortunately, the Earnhardt death placed a huge spotlight on the sport around that time as well, but in totality the sport has not changed a ton.

The cars were still much lower to the ground compared to the "hay days" that are spoken of so much on this forum, the cars looked very similar to each other in the early 2000's etc. What changed at that time was the way the sport was being presented. At that time there were not the overwhelming amount of sports channels on TV, a lot of teams did not have their own cable deals to broadcast all of their games the entire season etc. A lot has changed in the TV/Sports/Entertainment world since then. NASCAR was a bit of appointment TV, but I think all of us hardcore fans, which any of us who take the time to visit a forum dedicated to the sport have to be lumped into that group, think the sport was insanely popular. I'm not saying the sport was not popular and that it didn't boom, but we are all so linked into the sport that it became exciting to see the growth. However, how many of those "new" fans were really dedicated to the sport? I think what we are seeing in some cases is the gradual drop off of the fringe follower who thought the sport was pretty cool and liked the buzz that came with it, but would not be the loyal type that visit the local short tracks, DVR the race regardless of when and where, or plan Sunday's around the race. As it is with anything that booms there is always correction. Homes, sports, pop culture, the stock market.......all of them boom and then correct and sometimes bust. I will most likely get lambasted for this, but compare NASCAR to Professional Wrestling for a minute. Both were at one time fringe sports/entertainment. Both boomed. At it's height WWE was drawing a ridiculous 8.0 rating on Monday nights and now they are lucky to get a 3.0 rating. The good news is that things eventually come back into style so to speak.

As long time fans we always look for reasons as to why the sport is failing and how to correct it. In reality, maybe we should be looking at why was it ever as big as it was? What made it so popular and how does that apply to 2017 if at all? Fans want to point at the changes in the sport as to why it is failing. In reality the sport was correcting prior, what is disconcerting to me is the fact that the people who are making the decisions seem to not understand that. Instead they have tried like hell to make changes to it in an effort to drum up popularity, all the while, they have been running some of the tried and true believers of the sport away. It is very much a double edged sword for NASCAR because they are seeing sponsors leave and fans not show up, but let's not forget how the economy plays a role in all of it.

My 2 questions for everyone here are these.


1) What made the sport boom when it did? Where did it go? How do we get it back?

2) Why does it need to return to the levels of popularity it once was? Are we not ok with NASCAR being our sport? Our niche?

So that was like 5 questions, but whatever.
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No one knows why the series boomed but part of what made it go bust was that Nascar didn't even attempt to find out what drew the people in the first place. What Nascar did was to kick up its arrogance a few levels, alienated longtime fans, built crap tracks that they have never been been able to recover from plus mandated teams use crap cars.

Nascar will never get close to where it was as it has been in decline for 10+ years. I don't consider Nascar a sport and am happy to let the market decide its ultimate fate.
 
nickmiles said:
1)Danger. Blue Collar guys that cussed, smoked, drank, and fought with their fists (not with their precious twitter account). Guys the common man could relate too (Earnhard workinng on his farm, Harry Gant doing Carpentry during the week)

Col looking cars and sponsors that FIT the sport and didnt look stupid. (Bud, Coors, Old Milwaukee, Skoal, Camel, Winston, valvoline, Western Autp, Hooters, )

Sponsors took over, they always have been important but the held all the power. Remember when Coors Light forced Ganassi to replace Sterling marlin with David Stremme so they could target the 21-28 age group? I mean come on now

NASCAR sold their soul to the devil when that 2001 contract with FOX and NBC was signed

Sure Jeff Gordon went on SNL and hosted, dale Jr was the face of NASCAR.... but it became white collar

It went from beer drinkers to wine drinkers. Drivers just standing and watching their cars being worked on instead of getting dirty and helping

Drivers wearing 200.00 sunglasses with their model wife who never works
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So it is demographical? I can get on board with that. I believe that part of what made it boom was the transition from a blue collar to white collar, but it does become a slippery slope when you begin to lose the heart of the fan base. Now I think my wife is the perfect example. She did not know NASCAR before we met. She likes to see the spectacle of it all and she has a respect for what they are able to do and the pride that comes with the work that the teams put in. However, when I take my son to the local track she calls the race fans "su gente" (my people) because I grew up with the sport, around the sport etc. I would not be caught dead in public with most of the prototypical race fans at your local short track because we do not have anything other than the sport in common, but it is a different group and that group has changed when it comes to big money.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
No one knows why the series boomed but part of what made it go bust was that Nascar didn't even attempt to find out what drew the people in the first place. What Nascar did was to kick up its arrogance a few levels, alienated longtime fans, built crap tracks that they have never been been able to recover from plus mandated teams use crap cars.

Nascar will never get close to where it was as it has been in decline for 10+ years. I don't consider Nascar a sport and am happy to let the market decide its ultimate fate.
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Ok, so what made it "boom" for you? I honestly do not know what made it popular for me. I do not remember a moment where I was watching a race and thought this is amazing I have to have more of it. I started attending races at the age of 14. So in 1998. I love going to the racetrack and I still go almost weekly. However, in those days it was what myself and my Pops did. My Mother and Father divorced when I was young and it just became our thing. Maybe it was that, I'm not really sure. I started to really watch the sport on TV at that age and I have never stopped and I am as die hard as they get. I will drive 2 to 3 hours on a Saturday night to go to the best local show, but I cannot explain to you what drew me into the sport. Never had that watershed moment. So if we can't even figure it out how are we supposed to expect NASCAR to?
 
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kymartin6 said:
You make a good point....... maybe a lot of us just got tired of being focused so hard......

I might have just grown tired.........


but.........


it's hard to believe that so many grew tired at the same time.......

maybe it's Black Mold.....
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Same time ? No... new ones leave every year but remember that all things change in time for each of us. How many things you did as a younger man no longer interest you?

I don't watch Hockey, baseball or golf as I once did. I still like my racing and curling.
 
Team Penske said:
Same time ? No... new ones leave every year but remember that all things change in time for each of us. How many things you did as a younger man no longer interest you?

I don't watch Hockey, baseball or golf as I once did. I still like my racing and curling.
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I never followed anything but racing.....

I still follow it..... used to be 110 percent ........... now...... about 40 or 50...... it started dropping off about 2003 or '04...... a slow progression......
 
clarkfn2284 said:
I am going to begin this with I completely understand people's frustration with the constant changes. I too have said that I would like to see NASCAR keep things in tact for a few seasons. Here is where I disconnect on a few things. Obviously, we all would like the sport to flourish and be as popular as it was when FOX took on the TV deal, but can anyone here tell me what made it so popular? At that time, NASCAR scored a huge deal and FOX who was the leader among major sports for must see TV added them to their lineup. FOX had the NFL, MLB on Saturdays, maybe even the NHL at the time, but that may have been prior and then they added NASCAR and with it they brought a new look into the sport. Unfortunately, the Earnhardt death placed a huge spotlight on the sport around that time as well, but in totality the sport has not changed a ton.

The cars were still much lower to the ground compared to the "hay days" that are spoken of so much on this forum, the cars looked very similar to each other in the early 2000's etc. What changed at that time was the way the sport was being presented. At that time there were not the overwhelming amount of sports channels on TV, a lot of teams did not have their own cable deals to broadcast all of their games the entire season etc. A lot has changed in the TV/Sports/Entertainment world since then. NASCAR was a bit of appointment TV, but I think all of us hardcore fans, which any of us who take the time to visit a forum dedicated to the sport have to be lumped into that group, think the sport was insanely popular. I'm not saying the sport was not popular and that it didn't boom, but we are all so linked into the sport that it became exciting to see the growth. However, how many of those "new" fans were really dedicated to the sport? I think what we are seeing in some cases is the gradual drop off of the fringe follower who thought the sport was pretty cool and liked the buzz that came with it, but would not be the loyal type that visit the local short tracks, DVR the race regardless of when and where, or plan Sunday's around the race. As it is with anything that booms there is always correction. Homes, sports, pop culture, the stock market.......all of them boom and then correct and sometimes bust. I will most likely get lambasted for this, but compare NASCAR to Professional Wrestling for a minute. Both were at one time fringe sports/entertainment. Both boomed. At it's height WWE was drawing a ridiculous 8.0 rating on Monday nights and now they are lucky to get a 3.0 rating. The good news is that things eventually come back into style so to speak.

As long time fans we always look for reasons as to why the sport is failing and how to correct it. In reality, maybe we should be looking at why was it ever as big as it was? What made it so popular and how does that apply to 2017 if at all? Fans want to point at the changes in the sport as to why it is failing. In reality the sport was correcting prior, what is disconcerting to me is the fact that the people who are making the decisions seem to not understand that. Instead they have tried like hell to make changes to it in an effort to drum up popularity, all the while, they have been running some of the tried and true believers of the sport away. It is very much a double edged sword for NASCAR because they are seeing sponsors leave and fans not show up, but let's not forget how the economy plays a role in all of it.

My 2 questions for everyone here are these.


1) What made the sport boom when it did? Where did it go? How do we get it back?

2) Why does it need to return to the levels of popularity it once was? Are we not ok with NASCAR being our sport? Our niche?

So that was like 5 questions, but whatever.
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1. Ever hear of Baby BOOMERS. there went you boom right there. In case you haven't noticed, auto racing it isn't a politically correct thing to do, tree huggers, overpopulation, technology and insurance costs make it almost impossible to hot rod a car anymore for the common man. .
2. I'm in for life, for the good and the bad. But it is never going to be what it was, but racing will continue. I'm good with it, won't bother me a bit if after 2025 there are 40% less commercials. You can get into the groove watching a much less commercial Indycar race because you can actually follow the race. Too bad I don't particularly like the direction open wheel has gone. IMSA does a great job of handicapping their cars. Indycar they are almost identical passing by at 200 plus.
 
clarkfn2284 said:
So it is demographical? I can get on board with that. I believe that part of what made it boom was the transition from a blue collar to white collar, but it does become a slippery slope when you begin to lose the heart of the fan base. Now I think my wife is the perfect example. She did not know NASCAR before we met. She likes to see the spectacle of it all and she has a respect for what they are able to do and the pride that comes with the work that the teams put in. However, when I take my son to the local track she calls the race fans "su gente" (my people) because I grew up with the sport, around the sport etc. I would not be caught dead in public with most of the prototypical race fans at your local short track because we do not have anything other than the sport in common, but it is a different group and that group has changed when it comes to big money.
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Its demographics. NASCAR was blue collar middle class. The sponsors even made sense for it. Beer, tobacco, Automotive sponsors, fast food

I mean it seemed cool to be like yea my drivers sponsored by miller. Imagine saying today yea my drivers sponsored by farmers insurance

sounds so lame
 
kymartin6 said:
I never followed anything but racing.....

I still follow it..... used to be 110 percent ........... now...... about 40 or 50...... it started dropping off about 2003 or '04...... a slow progression......
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and like all of us your getting older. :D
 
I'll be greatly disappointed if, when they add additional stages to the races, they don't include a scheduled green-white-checker finish. :rolleyes:
 
clarkfn2284 said:
Ok, so what made it "boom" for you? I honestly do not know what made it popular for me. I do not remember a moment where I was watching a race and thought this is amazing I have to have more of it. I started attending races at the age of 14. So in 1998. I love going to the racetrack and I still go almost weekly. However, in those days it was what myself and my Pops did. My Mother and Father divorced when I was young and it just became our thing. Maybe it was that, I'm not really sure. I started to really watch the sport on TV at that age and I have never stopped and I am as die hard as they get. I will drive 2 to 3 hours on a Saturday night to go to the best local show, but I cannot explain to you what drew me into the sport. Never had that watershed moment. So if we can't even figure it out how are we supposed to expect NASCAR to?
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Auto racing never boomed for me as I have been a fan for decades.
 
ToyYoda said:
When the NASCAR rules are more difficult to explain to your children than where babies come from, it means they probably need to leave things alone for awhile.
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What's difficult about explaining to your children where babies come from? I never had an issue with that even when they were 5 years old.
 
ToyYoda said:
I meant how babies are really made. Hopefully you're not discussing that with a 5 year old.
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That's what I meant. Lying to your kid only sets them up to not trust you in the future. Same goes for Santa, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, etc. They're going to find out the truth eventually, so why delay it and risk them being devastated after hearing they've been lied to for years?
 
RacerrecaR said:
That's what I meant. Lying to your kid only sets them up to not trust you in the future. Same goes for Santa, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, etc. They're going to find out the truth eventually, so why delay it and risk them being devastated after hearing they've been lied to for years?
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Well, I wasn't instructed on how intercourse works until well after kindergarten, but to each their own I guess.
 
ToyYoda said:
I meant how babies are really made. Hopefully you're not discussing that with a 5 year old.
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Well, you see, this stork comes flying in, smoking a big fat cigar, and drops off a kid. Something like that

ToyYoda said:
Well, I wasn't instructed on how intercourse works until well after kindergarten, but to each their own I guess.
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:XXROFL:
 
kyle18fan said:
Kids that grow up on farms and such are savvy before the age of 5
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Bingo. Living in WI my whole life and having more than half my classmates growing up on farms (and the ones who didn't participated in regular sleep-overs with farmer classmates and took multiple field trips to farms every year), we all knew what was up as early as 5 years old. No big deal and we all turned out just fine. We also all went to a parochial school through all grades and were told in kindergarten that all the holiday "mascots" were a lie. I have noticed that kids who did not experience such a situation while growing up turned out to have a lot of psychological issues and were rebellious against their parents and other forms of authority. When I was in college I wrote a 12-page paper about it in my psychology course...many psychologists seem to agree with my train of thought that being honest with your kids about these things when they are young is a huge benefit to them. Most people nowadays will think it is crazy to discuss such things with little ones, but that generally spurs from them being embarrassed about such topics (due to them not hearing about said topics until a much later age).

Ok...that's it for my off-topic rants. Unless it gets moved to the Podium...
 
RacerrecaR said:
Bingo. Living in WI my whole life and having more than half my classmates growing up on farms (and the ones who didn't participated in regular sleep-overs with farmer classmates and took multiple field trips to farms every year), we all knew what was up as early as 5 years old. No big deal and we all turned out just fine. We also all went to a parochial school through all grades and were told in kindergarten that all the holiday "mascots" were a lie. I have noticed that kids who did not experience such a situation while growing up turned out to have a lot of psychological issues and were rebellious against their parents and other forms of authority. When I was in college I wrote a 12-page paper about it in my psychology course...many psychologists seem to agree with my train of thought that being honest with your kids about these things when they are young is a huge benefit to them. Most people nowadays will think it is crazy to discuss such things with little ones, but that generally spurs from them being embarrassed about such topics (due to them not hearing about said topics until a much later age).

Ok...that's it for my off-topic rants. Unless it gets moved to the Podium...
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I'm not gonna comment on this anymore because I think we're getting into a weird area, other than to say I believed in Santa and the Easter Bunny and I turned out OK...I think.

Back on topic and to my original point, all the convolutions to the championship and how points are awarded is making it very difficult to explain to any new prospective fans how the whole thing works. If NASCAR goes in any direction with more changes, it needs to be in the direction of simplification.
 
I just like racing, I don't know why, but I do. I'll watch two snails just to see which one gets to the end of the driveway first. Like a junkie needs their heroine, I have to have my racing. It may not be exactly what I would like to see, but I can't do without it. The race is the thing, it's why I watch, and I can't quit.
 
Yogisd1 said:
I just like racing, I don't know why, but I do. I'll watch two snails just to see which one gets to the end of the driveway first. Like a junkie needs their heroine, I have to have my racing. It may not be exactly what I would like to see, but I can't do without it. The race is the thing, it's why I watch, and I can't quit.
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I can't imagine a better way to say it.

Our friend Yogi has been down on his hands and knees in the dirt doing what it takes to put a racecar on the track. He's a lifer for good reason.
 
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